Fair enough. There will be no J-10B's until IAF begins induction of Rafale. Why invest in anything unless the thing it is meant to counter is actually operational.
IAF has selected Rafale as the winner for the contract to be signed for 126 MMRCA.
If only the size of radars was everything! Anyway, as far as the performance is concerned, the MKI would spot the JFT (even with it's super huge radar) about the same time that JFT would spot the MKI (after all these huge radars have massive signature, major drawback). And then the game will be missile v/s jammers. Not a really strong story for the MKI especially if it is inside JFT territory where JFT enjoys support of AWEACS/ground based EW/ECM/ECCM assets along with SAM sites.
Not only size... power and altogether a generation ahead(phased array).
No It won't.
Which AWACS is integrated with JF-17 ?
What are ground based EW/ECM/ECCM ? What affect they have on air borne radars ?
What SAM sites ? other than spada 2000 ?
You can keep on with the all good things and whatever comes in those wet dreams but for once lets get real.
Perhaps, if you did a bit of research?
Why don't you show your research ?
The justification put forth by your military elite and country leaders in general is that of acquisitions and developments of Military infrastructure in Pakistan & in China. Your position is highly ridiculous, at best.
It hardly is/has been... It has got more to do with what the security requirements are rather than what Pakistan or China inducts or develop.
Even if I do accept your version and accept that Russia was stupid enough to do what you say it did, Buk/TOR SAM systems are even more outdated, yet they fared without opposition from Jammers that were carried by Russian Jets.
By the way, if Georgia was indeed the dumping ground of outdated Soviet weaponry, the Russian systems are further shamed as it was the Russian jets that were unable to Jam Georgian SAM sites.
How can the Russian Jets jam anything in Georgia If they are flying without ECM and Jamming pods ? Not even anti-radiation missiles were used... The Jets used(Su 25/24)hardly carry a proper radar... even lacking proper countermeasures against enemy missiles.
The on slot was as out dated as the airdefense.
Ok. Although, I am not aware of any such encounter.
You search on Internet infact right here in this forum.
All I have said is that Russians rely on salvos of multiple simultaneous engagements to prop up probability of a kill while the Americans fire a single missile for a still higher kill probability. And this doctrine also means that the Jet armed with Russian missiles will have to carry twice the number of Missile that it's opponents carry.
multiple missile increase the probability of kill.... now since you are saying that you don't know about any Russian BVR kill how do you conclude on what they rely ?
Not necessarily a Mig29 designed to kill a F-15 carries about half the ammo.
I could not find a single Russian BVR kill registered anywhere!
I gave the links some post ago.
It was a Mig29 and a B-52(damaged).
And who cares if the AIM-120C5's are retired stock (as opposed to what they really are)......we'd even take retired American F-16's if they would sell them to us any day over the MKI's
Thats your opinion... I would rather have the outdated Mig21 as It ensures no restrictions on whon to use and where to use.. as against a US F-16 for which you need permission.
If redundancy was the main objective then perhaps yes. However, with the reliability of current Jet engines, cost of redundancy is too high. The only thing that could be taken in to account is the Thrust:Weight ratio.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. There will be no J-10B's until IAF begins induction of Rafale. Why invest in anything unless the thing it is meant to counter is actually operational.
IAF has selected Rafale as the winner for the contract to be signed for 126 MMRCA.
If only the size of radars was everything! Anyway, as far as the performance is concerned, the MKI would spot the JFT (even with it's super huge radar) about the same time that JFT would spot the MKI (after all these huge radars have massive signature, major drawback). And then the game will be missile v/s jammers. Not a really strong story for the MKI especially if it is inside JFT territory where JFT enjoys support of AWEACS/ground based EW/ECM/ECCM assets along with SAM sites.
Not only size... power and altogether a generation ahead(phased array).
No It won't.
Which AWACS is integrated with JF-17 ?
What are ground based EW/ECM/ECCM ? What affect they have on air borne radars ?
What SAM sites ? other than spada 2000 ?
You can keep on with the all good things and whatever comes in those wet dreams but for once lets get real.
Perhaps, if you did a bit of research?
Why don't you show your research ?
The justification put forth by your military elite and country leaders in general is that of acquisitions and developments of Military infrastructure in Pakistan & in China. Your position is highly ridiculous, at best.
It hardly is/has been... It has got more to do with what the security requirements are rather than what Pakistan or China inducts or develop.
Even if I do accept your version and accept that Russia was stupid enough to do what you say it did, Buk/TOR SAM systems are even more outdated, yet they fared without opposition from Jammers that were carried by Russian Jets.
By the way, if Georgia was indeed the dumping ground of outdated Soviet weaponry, the Russian systems are further shamed as it was the Russian jets that were unable to Jam Georgian SAM sites.
How can the Russian Jets jam anything in Georgia If they are flying without ECM and Jamming pods ? Not even anti-radiation missiles were used... The Jets used(Su 25/24)hardly carry a proper radar... even lacking proper countermeasures against enemy missiles.
The on slot was as out dated as the airdefense.
Ok. Although, I am not aware of any such encounter.
You search on Internet infact right here in this forum.
All I have said is that Russians rely on salvos of multiple simultaneous engagements to prop up probability of a kill while the Americans fire a single missile for a still higher kill probability. And this doctrine also means that the Jet armed with Russian missiles will have to carry twice the number of Missile that it's opponents carry.
multiple missile increase the probability of kill.... now since you are saying that you don't know about any Russian BVR kill how do you conclude on what they rely ?
Not necessarily a Mig29 designed to kill a F-15 carries about half the ammo.
I could not find a single Russian BVR kill registered anywhere!
I gave the links some post ago.
It was a Mig29 and a B-52(damaged).
And who cares if the AIM-120C5's are retired stock (as opposed to what they really are)......we'd even take retired American F-16's if they would sell them to us any day over the MKI's
Thats your opinion... I would rather have the outdated Mig21 as It ensures no restrictions on whon to use and where to use.. as against a US F-16 for which you need permission.
If redundancy was the main objective then perhaps yes. However, with the reliability of current Jet engines, cost of redundancy is too high. The only thing that could be taken in to account is the Thrust:Weight ratio.[/QUOTE]