How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat

[Joeblow]

NOTHING has been established...Had it been conspiracy theories wouldnt get a chance to spew stuff based on the very evidence thrown in coz CONSPIRACY theories ALSO rely on evidence! If the evidence are not sound hence alternative theories come to play!

So to sum up your posts on this thread, there is evidence that Modi had Muslims killed in Gujarat but not evidence that the 9/11 conspirators, the Godhra arsonists and Ajmal Kasab were Muslims? Just want get a feel for where you stand here so I don't "malign" you like I did before.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

This time i am taking extra caution.
But i cannot guarantee the sanctity of the one reporting the posts.

Hehe. Exactly. A 'decent' poster is on a marathon of reporting you. I counted 3 already! The OP has smartly vanished without a trace.

Was watching 'Dastaan' - a popular series of Pakistan. Really nice - provided you can tolerate Hindus and Sikhs shown almost exclusively as villains. Based on the story of Razia Butt...(spellings may be wrong)

@Akheilos - Deedee, how are you?

 

[he-man]

Hehe. Exactly. A 'decent' poster is on a marathon of reporting you. I counted 3 already! The OP has smartly vanished without a trace.

Was watching 'Dastaan' - a popular series of Pakistan. Really nice - provided you can tolerate Hindus and Sikhs shown almost exclusively as villains. Based on the story of Razia Butt...(spellings may be wrong)

@Akheilos - Deedee, how are you?

Which decent poster?
I need to know and which post?

There is not 1 offensive post by me.I can challenge anyone this time.

 

[Dubious]

So to sum up your posts on this thread, there is evidence that Modi had Muslims killed in Gujarat but not evidence that the 9/11 conspirators, the Godhra arsonists and Ajmal Kasab were Muslims? Just want get a feel for where you stand here so I don't "malign" you like I did before.

I never said any of that....Please point out how you got to such a "summary"

 

[Jaanbaz]

May Allah bless Mohammad Ali Jinnah's soul. Thank you for giving us Pakistan.

 

[Winchester]

This is the umpteenth thread on the so called 'massacre' of Muslims in Gujarat. I suggest you mind your own business as you have nothing in common with Indian Muslims. Sort out your own internecine problems first before poking your nose here.

Talking about minding one's own business hopefully from now on you will not been seen on any Pakistan related threads

 

[Winchester]

yeah.. we too thank jinnah for that.
And i will be very happy if others in india, follow your suit, and shift to pakistan.

First atleast thank you for your honesty !
Just one question by others you mean 200 million of your fellow countrymen who happen to be muslims???

 

[khujliwal]

What does Sectarian killings in Pakistan have to do with MY QUESTION?

I am not concerned they are dead but like you lot ask questions why is it somehow wrong to ask you questions and why do they always get diverted?


Why those idiots started it could be alot of handful reasons, to provoke the Hindus to attack the Muslims - logically, only means those who burnt the train were not Muslims as you said with full knowledge of being outnumbered....Why would a Muslim do that and see his own Muslim people get the bashing?

Source: How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat | Page 5

Based on your logic, I must ask why would a Christian desecrate a Kuran in Pakistan, knowing fully well it would lead to his death. So the incident on 4th 5th Nov was orchestrated by Muslims. What kind of platform are we setting up to debate upon?

 

[Dubious]

The same reason u are still arguing about the authenticity of those attacks when courts have even punished people from both sides of riots.

I am waiting for my answer....Which every single Indian who has come along has ignored!

Why those idiots started it could be alot of handful reasons, to provoke the Hindus to attack the Muslims - logically, only means those who burnt the train were not Muslims as you said with full knowledge of being outnumbered....Why would a Muslim do that and see his own Muslim people get the bashing?

Its indoctrination.Once u are fed religious propaganda 24/7 with selective quotations from religious texts without proper context u tend to do uber stupid things case in point.

Maybe but how can you point a doctrine for that? Wasnt Karan and Arjun tale in the Vedas part of killing your cousins (if ALSO taken out of context)...

We can pick the same for the bible:

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

And there are many more to follow

1)9/11
2)London tube attacks
3)mumbai wherekasab was captured live,confirmed by geo,dawn etc to be pakistani
4)godhra train burning
5)ISIS
6)AL QAEDA
7)jundullah
8)TTP
9)boston mrathon bombings
10)problems in chechenya
11)xinjiang.

In all these areas these loonies are fighting/were fighting without any reward/hope for reward except for their religion whichis told by every such terrorist himself.

You think and who is funding them? Anyone knows how much they make? Esp since they are alive and those under them, around them and in countries are dying!

Nothing to even debate or prove here.
All the cases have been cracked.

Even I can say all proves are found online regarding 9/11, building of AlQaedah (Madam Clinton has said it on tape)
Who is wherekasab?

Boston marathon

Chechenya was never coz of Islam so please stop pulling things from your behind! They were mostly fighting Russia....

 

[Jaanbaz]

yeah.. we too thank jinnah for that.
And i will be very happy if others in india, follow your suit, and shift to pakistan.

No biggie. We can help them make another Pakistan.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

No biggie. We can help them make another Pakistan.

Please hurry. Good luck sire. I see you are counter trolling effectively.

@he-man Why you forget that ISIS is funded by Jews, the twin towers were grounded by Bush and Ajmal Kasab was actually Amar Singh?

 

[Dubious]

Hehe. Exactly. A 'decent' poster is on a marathon of reporting you. I counted 3 already! The OP has smartly vanished without a trace.

Was watching 'Dastaan' - a popular series of Pakistan. Really nice - provided you can tolerate Hindus and Sikhs shown almost exclusively as villains. Based on the story of Razia Butt...(spellings may be wrong)

@Akheilos - Deedee, how are you?

1) How do you count who reported whom?

2) I could never watch Dastan too heart breaking!!

3) I am fine but prob not the proper thread to chit chat! Were you the guy who asked about movies? I watched another one
Coherence (2013) - IMDb

 

[lavenge lavenge]

Mind you it is rather hypocritical not to stick on the topic which for this thread is Gujarat massacre and condemn them but bring in train massacre as though 1 was worse than the other

Godhra train burning is part of topic. It would never be divested from Gujarat riots because it is root cause of Gujarat riot. No Train Burning-No Riots. Simple.

QUESTION: Do 2 rights make a wrong in Indian mindset?

(even though this question does not make sense because of logical error but)

Swift and Proportionate/ reaction is perfectly just and moral. It may be immoral from Kantian Moral pov , but an eye for an eye is not only just and moral but also necessary from utilitarian principles. And for any collective action,only utilitarian morality is relevant.

If Hindus do not react to aggression of Muslims with violence, they would be setting up a bad precedent in which muslims think that it is completely OK for them to burn trains full of Hindu pilgrims and this act would occur again and again.

By reacting, Hindus established red lines and ensured that Godhra train burning would not happen again.

Muslims could not have their cake and eat it too. If they kill infidels for some dubious promise of heaven and hoories, they should not complain when infidels react with violence.

Mind you the word retaliation is used when returning the attack...and if you pick any paper it is usually the Israeli who break the cease fire shit and then CLAIM they are protecting their people yet they have not been able to explain all the atrocities they have done even when they "observe" the ceasefire:
^ Its not even hidden or conspiracy shit anymore!

So!!!!!

When Israelis would retaliate against Hamas, some civilians would die too, in crossfire. And your own source states that Israel has started investigation into the incident which is clearly a case civilian victim not following military orders ( going to left where snipers were posted with " Thou shall not Pass" orders , rather than going right).

Compare this with Pali intifada where murders of civilians( not military ) are celebrated as martyrs and Hamas goad Palis into attacking Israeli civilians.

So if Croatian attack Serbs and then Serbs attack Bosnian ...it is somehow justifiable? Or somehow same? Coz mind you not all Croatians and Bosnian are the same...They are 2 separate nations!

Both were part of Yugoslavia. Croatia started ethnic cleansing of Serbs. Serbs cleansed Bosniak Muslims. US attacked Serbs because Serbs had good relation with Russia. In this whole saga, muslims were crying about genocide of Bosniak Muslims while completely ignoring Genocide of Serbs done by Muslims in Parallel.

If you cant prove it from the Quran than it is not Islamic

Thought process of Muslims is Islamic thought process.

That is my question and no one answered it instead you people are jumping on me as to why I dared question!

Which so far like questioning a back ally Mullah has only resulted in Indians jumping up and down, bringing into their probelms everything from Bosnia to Kashmir!

Your question has been answered many time ( including once again in opening paragraph of this very post ). It is not problem of other posters that you did not liked the answer.

Please tell us who said that? And whose sword? Coz I can name ALOT OF historians who are ready to debunk that and say that was a lie spread....Unfortunately India was not update

I said it ,and it comes from common sense.

If someone commits violence, he/she should expect violence in return. It is a law of nature. How more simple could it be?

 

[Dubious]

Based on your logic, I must ask why would a Christian desecrate a Kuran in Pakistan, knowing fully well it would lead to his death. So the incident on 4th 5th Nov was orchestrated by Muslims. What kind of platform are we setting up to debate upon?

I would suggest that was probably inner hatred OR seriously accusation out of hatred....You are talking about individual vs group level....its a different level!

 

[he-man]

I am waiting for my answer....Which every single Indian who has come along has ignored!

Why those idiots started it could be alot of handful reasons, to provoke the Hindus to attack the Muslims - logically, only means those who burnt the train were not Muslims as you said with full knowledge of being outnumbered....Why would a Muslim do that and see his own Muslim people get the bashing?

Maybe but how can you point a doctrine for that? Wasnt Karan and Arjun tale in the Vedas part of killing your cousins (if ALSO taken out of context)...

We can pick the same for the bible:

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

And there are many more to follow


You think and who is funding them? Anyone knows how much they make? Esp since they are alive and those under them, around them and in countries are dying!

Even I can say all proves are found online regarding 9/11, building of AlQaedah (Madam Clinton has said it on tape)
Who is wherekasab?

Boston marathon

Chechenya was never coz of Islam so please stop pulling things from your behind! They were mostly fighting Russia....

Does not matter who funds.
All that maters is who does.