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How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat

People have been jailed and convicted,if u are serious u can search on google.
If not u will try to justify every terror act by a neat bundle of words which fools no one here.
Am I? When did I justify it?

I in fact questioned it! Heck it IS useless talking to a person soo full of hatred he will even throw in the word justification when I was asking how did 2 wrongs make a right?
 
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@he-man is this the mentality you were talking about? The subcontinental mentality that there is always something behind something...Its called Psychological Projection....this guy just threw a baseless accusation and you thanked him but when I threw a conspiracy theory built on bits of evidence...It results into this

You have serious comprehension issues. My only gripe was the fact that you spelt Gujarat incorrectly, nothing else, but you being you, have to run it a 100 different ways. How incredibly boring of you (as usual) :lol:


p.s: 'psychological projection' has nothing to do with what I pointed out in my posts directed at you. Read, comprehend, and then respond appropriately. No mumbo jumbo, please.
 
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@he-man is this the mentality you were talking about? The subcontinental mentality that there is always something behind something...Its called Psychological Projection....this guy just threw a baseless accusation and you thanked him but when I threw a conspiracy theory built on bits of evidence...It results into this



Source: How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat | Page 4

Why the double standard?


as for 9/11 heck they are documentaries and scientific theories based on how the buildings fell to reject a plane crashed in it....Of course the whole site is sealed off so no one can go in to have a look or prove anything....I took that stupid money wasting tour only to go around the whole "sealed off site"

I have seen every conceivable documentry made on 9/11,the biggest contention was a beam that was cut /supposedely cut with a cutter.But without a counter narrative its bullshit.

U cannot keep such false flag operations killing 3000-4000 people secret,think about that.
How many officials,police,military and politicians would be involved and u think they will not open their mouth for 15 years?
Thats not humanely possible.

As for double standard,i am a practical and non religious person.No one has posted more than me against rss/vhp but in this case of riots blame has to be shared as both sides suffered.About 400 hindus died in police firing and its an official fact.


Sikh riots of 1984 was a true genocide as not 1 hindu was killed.
 
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guys, these kinda threads are opened up periodically because this is hunting season. Don't get provoked lest you should get banned.
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Am I? When did I justify it?

I in fact questioned it! Heck it IS useless talking to a person soo full of hatred he will even throw in the word justification when I was asking how did 2 wrongs make a right?

When u question 9/11,godhra train burning and mumbai then u automatically are playing into the hands of propaganda.
Those acts have been established to be done by indoctrinated people.
 
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Train massacre is brought up everytime with Gujarat riots because it serves as an exemplar classical hypocrisy of Muslims, Worldwide;Hypocrisy whose recipients are not limited to India and/or Hindus.
Mind you it is rather hypocritical not to stick on the topic which for this thread is Gujarat massacre and condemn them but bring in train massacre as though 1 was worse than the other HENCE MY QUESTION: Do 2 rights make a wrong in Indian mindset?


It is seen in Israel-Palestine conflict, where it is kosher for palestinians to lob rockets in Israel but Jews are committing genocide when they retaliate to Pali terrorism.
Mind you the word retaliation is used when returning the attack...and if you pick any paper it is usually the Israeli who break the cease fire shit and then CLAIM they are protecting their people yet they have not been able to explain all the atrocities they have done even when they "observe" the ceasefire:

Israeli troops 'admit they killed innocent civilians in Gaza war' | Daily Mail Online
Israeli troops 'admit they killed innocent civilians in Gaza war' | Daily Mail Online
Israeli officer admits ordering lethal strike on own soldier during Gaza massacre | The Electronic Intifada
BBC News - Israeli army admits three killed Gazans were civilians

^ Its not even hidden or conspiracy shit anymore!

It is seen in Serbian conflict where ethnic cleansing done on Serbs by Croatia is halal, but when Serbs reply with force against bosniak Muslims, then "Islam is in danger".
So if Croatian attack Serbs and then Serbs attack Bosnian ...it is somehow justifiable? Or somehow same? Coz mind you not all Croatians and Bosnian are the same...They are 2 separate nations!
When muslims cry about non-existent atrocities on Kashmir while celebrating/cheering ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits.It is Islamic thought pattern to commit violence against infidels and crying prosecution when infidels pay them back with same coin.
If you cant prove it from the Quran than it is not Islamic...Because unlike Hinduism we are not allowed to CREATE our own rules...

When Muslims burned a train full of Hindu pilgrims, what did they expected? That Hindus would just bend over and not retaliate to this naked show of aggression?
That is my question and no one answered it instead you people are jumping on me as to why I dared question!

Why those idiots started it could be alot of handful reasons, to provoke the Hindus to attack the Muslims - logically, only means those who burnt the train were not Muslims as you said with full knowledge of being outnumbered....Why would a Muslim do that and see his own Muslim people get the bashing?

Source: How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat | Page 4

Which so far like questioning a back ally Mullah has only resulted in Indians jumping up and down, bringing into their probelms everything from Bosnia to Kashmir!

As i said earlier "Those who live by Sword,die by Sword" . Why complain when someone pays you back with your own coin?
Please tell us who said that? And whose sword? Coz I can name ALOT OF historians who are ready to debunk that and say that was a lie spread....Unfortunately India was not update :coffee:
 
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Looks like misplaced priorities here.
Instead of focusing on home grown terror thats killing pakistani civilians and soldiers alike as we speak people are concerned about the other nation .

Why??

Based on religion.And then these guys goto other threads and try to be beacon of knowledge and tolerance.

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The only true genocide in India in the past 50 years is the Sikh killings of 1984. Everywhere else it was a two way street.

Not saying Bhindranwale was a saint or anything, but anyway folks having grey matter will understand my point.

And you - why are you posting in this 'past expiry date thread'? :D What's the point of countering anything here? :P Someone says something, and off you go with full guns blazing and get banned for a month. :mad:
 
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When u question 9/11,godhra train burning and mumbai then u automatically are playing into the hands of propaganda.
Those acts have been established to be done by indoctrinated people.
NOTHING has been established...Had it been conspiracy theories wouldnt get a chance to spew stuff based on the very evidence thrown in coz CONSPIRACY theories ALSO rely on evidence! If the evidence are not sound hence alternative theories come to play!
 
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The only true genocide in India in the past 50 years is the Sikh killings of 1984. Everywhere else it was a two way street.

Not saying Bhindranwale was a saint or anything, but anyway folks having grey matter will understand my point.

And you - why are you posting in this 'past expiry date thread'? :D What's the point of countering anything here? :P Someone says something, and off you go with full guns blazing and get banned for a month. :mad:

I have not used 1 bad word against anyone .
How can they ban me every time??:mad:
 
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NOTHING has been established...Had it been conspiracy theories wouldnt get a chance to spew stuff based on the very evidence thrown in coz CONSPIRACY theories ALSO rely on evidence! If the evidence are not sound hence alternative theories come to play!

That post seals it.
If u don't believe in these then u are indeed indoctrinated.

Sorry to break this news to u.

If i being born a sikh try to portray bhindranwale as a saint which many do,then i will be indoctrinated too.
But he was a terrorist.
 
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I have seen every conceivable documentry made on 9/11,the biggest contention was a beam that was cut /supposedely cut with a cutter.But without a counter narrative its bullshit.
I am not sure what you watched but there were a few which calculated the amount of fuel, the pressure created and also the heat of the flame and all that and concluded until and unless there were some bombs strapped to the base it shouldnt have falled as it did it should have collapsed at the story where the plane crashed not dropped down wards...


U cannot keep such false flag operations killing 3000-4000 people secret,think about that..
You think you know everything CIA does? Or how much shit they have done in Vietnam/ Korea, Nigeria, Gulf wars, Cold war? Takes years to prosecute and even then some still get away!

How many officials,police,military and politicians would be involved and u think they will not open their mouth for 15 years?
Thats not humanely possible.
Many end up dead the others they lead a luxuries life without a conscience you think they care to open their mouths?

As for double standard,i am a practical and non religious person.No one has posted more than me against rss/vhp but in this case of riots blame has to be shared as both sides suffered.About 400 hindus died in police firing and its an official fact.


Sikh riots of 1984 was a true genocide as not 1 hindu was killed.
And again I ask my question:


Why those idiots started it could be alot of handful reasons, to provoke the Hindus to attack the Muslims - logically, only means those who burnt the train were not Muslims as you said with full knowledge of being outnumbered....Why would a Muslim do that and see his own Muslim people get the bashing?

Source: How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat | Page 4
 
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jokes apart, there seems to be a concern for muslims killed in India in Gujrat riots.
Why no threads come up from the same posters when muslims are killed on their territory? Count the ones below and then we can discuss. How do the shias, ahmadiyas and christians provoke the pakistanis if I dare may ask. Unlike the Godhra incident where they burnt innocents?
2000–2010

Since the year 2000, over 2000 Shia Hazara community members including many women and children have been killed or wounded in attacks perpetrated by Al-Qaeda and Taliban in the southwestern town of Quetta. Many hundreds of Shia Muslims have been killed in northern areas of Pakistan, such as Gilgit, Baltistan, Parachinar and Chelas. The violence worsened immediately after 11 September 2001 and the expulsion of the Taliban from Afghanistan.[27] In 2002, 12 Shia Hazara police cadets were gunned down in Quetta. In 2003, the main Shia Friday Mosque was attacked in Quetta, killing 53 worshippers. On 2 March 2004, at least 42 persons were killed and more than 100 wounded when a procession of Shia Muslims was attacked by rival Sunni extremists at Liaquat Bazaar in Quetta.[28] Separately, on 7 October 2004. In 2006, sectarian violence led to 300 deaths.[29]

On 28 December 2009, as many as 40 Shias were killed in an apparent suicide bombing in Karachi. The bomber attacked a Shia procession that was held to mark Ashura.[30] Since June 2010 in Karachi, Sipah-e-Sahaba is involved in the target killing of seven innocent bystanders and intellectuals; all were from the Twelver Shia Muslim community. Sectarian riots and the targeted killing of doctors in the provincial capital have drawn attention to the present democratic system. Karachi had witnessed similar sectarian tension in the early 1980s when then-President Zia-ul-Haq was in power. The military regime of those years had supported certain groups to strengthen its rule and Karachi underwent the worst situation after the sectarian riots. The Shia-Sunni clashes had started from the same section of the city, Godra Colony in New Karachi, after a small incident, and subsequently the clashes gripped the entire city.

In early September 2010, three separate attacks were reported in different parts of Pakistan. The first one took place on 1 September in Lahore where at least 35 Shia were killed and 160 people were injured during a procession. The second attack was reported to have taken place in Mardan, targeted Ahmadiyyas, and at least one person was killed. The third one occurred on 3 September in the city of Quetta, and killed 55 people during another procession.[31]

On 16 December, a mortar attack killed nine people, including women and children, in Hangu, a town that has been a flash point for sectarian clashes between Shia and Sunni communities in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Province, near the tribal area. On the same day in another attack, one child was killed and 28 people were wounded in Peshawar, the capital of KP province, as Shia Muslims marked Ashura.[32]

2012–2013
In the February 2012 Kohistan Shia Massacre, 18 Shia Muslim residents of Gilgit-Baltistan travelling by bus from Rawalpindi, Punjab to Gilgit, Gilgit Baltistan in Pakistan died. The buses were stopped in Kohistan and the victims killed by individuals dressed in military uniforms based on their religious affiliation. The dead included three children, while 27 other passengers on the bus were spared.

On 16 August 2012, four buses destined for Gilgit and the Eid-ul-Fitr festivals were stopped. Twenty-five Shia passengers were identified by their identity cards, separated from other passengers, and shot dead. Al-Qaeda-affiliated Sunni Muslim militants claimed responsibility for the attack. Three Shia Hazara community members were shot dead in the town of Quetta, which is home to a Sunni Taliban leadership group known as Quetta Shura.

On 10 January 2013, several bombings took place in the southwestern Pakistani city of Quetta and in the northern Swat Valley, killing a total of 130 people and injuring at least 270.

A Bomb blast on Thursday 10 January 2013 occurred at a snooker club which was close to a police station and a Shia Mosque. "First suicidal attack was conducted and then a car bomb exploded on Alamdar Road,” Said Mir Zubair Mehmood, the Capital City Police Officer. The bomb exploded at 8:50 p.m. local time. As police, rescuers and media personal rushed to the blast site, another bomb fixed to a vehicle parked near the site exploded, causing an even greater number of casualties. Over 100 were killed and 121 wounded in the second twin bomb attack. Lashkae-e-jhangvi (LEJ), an extremist terrorist group banned by the government, has claimed responsibility for all the blasts. LEJ has organized under the name Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamat and the leader of the organization is Ahmad Ludhanvi, an extremist Salafi priest.

The family members of the people killed in the bomb blast refused to bury the dead unless the perpetrators were prosecuted, the military provided security for and took over the city of Quetta, and attackers stop killing Shia Muslims. Protesters staged a sit-in beginning the in solidarity with them in other cities, including Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad, on both Friday and Saturday. Protests have also occurred outside the Pakistani embassy in London and the Birmingham Consulate, in addition to countries with Shia populations such as Canada and Australia. Islamic custom dictates the dead should be buried as soon possible; to postpone the burial is symbolic of the pain and suffering the families of the killed experience.

Further information: January 2013 Pakistan bombings
Quetta Market bombing
On Saturday 16 February 2013, at least 90 people were reported dead and 180 wounded after a bomb exploded in a grocery market in Quetta. The death toll subsequently rose to 113.[33] The terrorist group Lashkae-e-jhangvi has claimed responsibility for the attack. Prime Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf said, "the government was determined to fight such dastardly acts and bring the culprits to justice." The remote-controlled bomb was hidden in a water tanker, and ripped through the town's main bazaar, a language school, and a computer center. At the time of the blast on Saturday afternoon, dozens of people, mainly women, were shopping for the evening meal and children were leaving classes. Quetta police chief Mir Zubia Mehmood said the explosive weighed 1000 kg, which was larger than the explosives used in the January attack.[34][35][36][37]

Targeted killings
On 18 February 2013, an unidentified gunmen shot dead Dr. Syed Ali Haider and his 11-year-old son while they were driving in their car in the Gulberg area of Lahore. Haider was shot six times in the head and died instantly while his son was shot once in the head and later died at a hospital. Haider was a leading vitreo-retinal surgeon, who also worked in collaboration with the Shaukat Khanum Memorial Trust Hospital. According to his uncle, he had "no personal enmity" and his killing was sectarian-motivated as he belonged to the Shia community. These killings were widely condemned.[38][39]

Karachi bombing
On 3 March 2013, a powerful bomb blast in the city of Karachi in the area of Abbas Town killed 45 people and wounded 150 others. The Bomb exploded outside a Shia Mosque as people were leaving from prayers. The blast destroyed the building, set other buildings on fire, and caused a power outage in the city. Human rights group have accused the Pakistani government of turning a "blind eye" to the bombings.[40][41][42][43]

Parachinar twin market bombing
On Friday 26 July 2013, a twin set of bomb blasts occurred in Parachinar, the main town of Kurram tribal Agency. The bomb blast killed 60 people and injured at least 187.[44] The first bomb blast hit the Parachinar market as people were busy buying food in preparation for the opening of the fast. The second bomb exploded near a road side. A terrorist organisation called Ansarul mujahideenhas claimed responsibility.[45] Abu baser spokesmen told a news channel that the attacks were carried out to seek revenge for Sunni Muslims in Syria and Iraq. "We have planned more similar attacks against the Shia community in Pakistan." Syed Jamal Shan, who visited the twin bombing site, told the Express Tribune, "The blast took place when people were shopping for ifthar. Blood and pieces of human flesh were scattered all around." Shia clerics and leaders demanded military action against the perpetrators of the twin blasts similar to the one in the Swat valley. The elder of the six Sunni tribes living in lower Kurram Agency expressed their sorrow over the incident to show solidarity with the victims of the bombings. The Sunni elders expressed their pain they share over the tragedy.[citation needed]

Ashoura violence
During the Shia procession for Ashoura in November, violence took place in Rawalpindi leading to a curfew where when the Ashoura procession was passing in front of a Sunni mosque the Sunnis from in the mosque fired at it. The curfew was lifted, but violence continued and the curfew was reimposed. Nine people In which 8 shias and a passerby died and 50 others were injured, while a Sunni seminary students burned markets down. Violence also erupted in Multan and Chishtian, where soldiers were called out to maintain law and order. In Chishtian, a Shia mosque was partially damaged and several shops were destroyed when Sunnis torched them. At least six Imambargahs and shi'ite mosques were burnt by the armed group of Ahle-Sunnat wal Jamaat on the night of Ashura. Imambargah Hifazat Ali Shah, Bohar Bazar, Rawalpindi was burnt and Zuljinnah (Horse) was killed.[46][47]

Following that violence, in Kohat, at least three people were killed and the army was called in to establish control. In this incident, the Sunni armed group Ahl-e-Sunnat Wal Jamaat held a rally on 18 November to protest the Rawalpindi; the deaths then happened after Ahl-e-Sunnat Wal Jamaat's terrorists fired near a Shia mosque.[48]

2014
Following that violence, in Kohat, at least three people were killed and the army was called in to establish control. In this incident, the Sunni armed group Ahl-e-Sunnat Wal Jamaat held a rally on 18 November to protest the Rawalpindi; the deaths then happened after unidentified assailants fired near a Shia mosque.[48]

Pak-Iran border Pilgrims killings
At least 23 people die and seven are wounded in gun and suicide attack in a restaurant near the Pakistan-Iran border. Most or all of these people are believed to be Shia Pilgrims coming from Iran. They say the gunmen targeted hotels in the town of Taftan, Balochistan province, where the pilgrims were staying after returning from Iran. Recent years have witnessed a series of bloody attacks by Sunni militants on Pakistan's Shia community.[49] [50]

Sectarianism in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


What does Sectarian killings in Pakistan have to do with MY QUESTION?

I am not concerned they are dead but like you lot ask questions why is it somehow wrong to ask you questions and why do they always get diverted?


Why those idiots started it could be alot of handful reasons, to provoke the Hindus to attack the Muslims - logically, only means those who burnt the train were not Muslims as you said with full knowledge of being outnumbered....Why would a Muslim do that and see his own Muslim people get the bashing?

Source: How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat | Page 5
 
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Do you get it now?
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@he-man - I am getting the formula for getting you banned. You are now getting oiled and readied till you vomit something that makes it impossible for the Mods to NOT ban you. :(

My tip: Let them be. Yeah we are bad. Hundreds of rioters in jail is a lie etc etc. Too much religion. :sick:
 
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I am not sure what you watched but there were a few which calculated the amount of fuel, the pressure created and also the heat of the flame and all that and concluded until and unless there were some bombs strapped to the base it shouldnt have falled as it did it should have collapsed at the story where the plane crashed not dropped down wards...


You think you know everything CIA does? Or how much shit they have done in Vietnam/ Korea, Nigeria, Gulf wars, Cold war? Takes years to prosecute and even then some still get away!

Many end up dead the others they lead a luxuries life without a conscience you think they care to open their mouths?

And again I ask my question:


Why those idiots started it could be alot of handful reasons, to provoke the Hindus to attack the Muslims - logically, only means those who burnt the train were not Muslims as you said with full knowledge of being outnumbered....Why would a Muslim do that and see his own Muslim people get the bashing?

Source: How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat | Page 4


The same reason u are still arguing about the authenticity of those attacks when courts have even punished people from both sides of riots.

Its indoctrination.Once u are fed religious propaganda 24/7 with selective quotations from religious texts without proper context u tend to do uber stupid things case in point

1)9/11
2)London tube attacks
3)mumbai wherekasab was captured live,confirmed by geo,dawn etc to be pakistani
4)godhra train burning
5)ISIS
6)AL QAEDA
7)jundullah
8)TTP
9)boston mrathon bombings
10)problems in chechenya
11)xinjiang.

In all these areas these loonies are fighting/were fighting without any reward/hope for reward except for their religion whichis told by every such terrorist himself.

Nothing to even debate or prove here.
All the cases have been cracked.
 
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@he-man - I am getting the formula for getting you banned. You are now getting oiled and readied till you vomit something that makes it impossible for the Mods to NOT ban you. :(

My tip: Let them be. Yeah we are bad. Hundreds of rioters in jail is a lie etc etc. Too much religion. :sick:

This time i am taking extra caution.
But i cannot guarantee the sanctity of the one reporting the posts.
 
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