How much of Pakistani culture is Indian?

[Don Jaguar]

The sepoy does not own the Army. The King owns the army. The sepoy is just a tool - an expendable tool.

Real work is done by sepoy and since they mixed with us so yes we ruled.

 

[kumarkumar1867]

No, from rajasthan.

My history teacher use to say mughals used rajput muslim converts to invade india otherwise they were not able to do that.

No rajpoot was converted forcefully but was honoured & treated as friend while or before invading indian kingdoms.

Forceful conversions of gujjars rajpoots & jatts would have assured end of moghul empire before start.

Rajpoots converted peacefully later on by their will due to beauty of islam, sufism or desire of royal graces & rewards.

 

[Jackdaws]

If I am right no one from the Muslim league spent a day in jail either.

Yes - the only true freedom fighter from Pakistan was Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan. It is sad that he spent more time in Pakistani jails than in British ones. Only Pakistani to get a Bharat Ratna.

 

[Don Jaguar]

Eternal slave mentality of Pakistanis.

Very few pakistanis like them.

 

[Awesome]

All wedding culture is Pakistani.

 

[ajtr]

yaar icewolf, dont make fun of the Sunni Muslims (Soonee Mahomedans) in your quest to insult the Hindus...

He is like hidden gujju modi bot making fun of muslims.....

 

[Icewolf]

Eternal slave mentality of Pakistanis.

In India the Muslims established a number of slave trade centres. Besides Delhi and cities in Bengal there is mention of Badaon in Uttar Pradesh and Mandor in Rajasthan.62 But of course from the narrative of the chroniclers it appears that slave markets existed in almost all important places in the country, for slaves were also sold in fairs held in major cities. In this inhuman business the Hindus were not interested. Firstly, they were themselves at the receiving end, they themselves were the victims. And secondly, as W.H. Moreland points out, “We may infer from della Valle’s statements that the principal Hindus at Surat - perhaps the most humane people that ever lived - disapproved entirely of slavery.” Now few people are as good traders as Gujaratis. They would have excelled if they had taken to slave-trading. But catching and selling of slaves did not fit in with the Hindu psyche. Although, commenting on the statement of della Valle, Moreland says, “but I do not think that this remark can be extended to Hindus generally… though in Akbar’s time at least it did not secure the approval of all Hindus… The existence of slavery is testified to by the travellers Abdur Razak, Conti and Barbosa.”63 It would be safe to presume that it prevailed in the Deccan, because it prevailed farther north in the country whence the Deccan dynasties had sprung and we may believe Nikitin’s statement that in his time there was a trade in ‘Black people’ in Bidar.”64 But the trade was carried on by Muslims and not Hindus, for Moreland adds that in 1643, “a Nayak, or chief, rejected a Dutch request for leave to buy up to 1000 slaves yearly on the ground that the sale of human being was not only a scandal but a sin.”



But the Portuguese in this matter followed the custom of the Muslims. “Linschoten recorded that they never worked, but employed slaves, who were sold daily in the market like beasts, and della Valle notes that the ‘greatest part’ of people in Goa were slaves.”66 The Portuguese not only employed Indian slaves for domestic and other duties, but they also regularly brought slaves from Abyssinia and Mozambique for sale at good price in Goa and Surat. They dominated the Indian seas where they pirated non-chalantly, captured slaves and sold them in the markets of Hugli, Tamluk, Pipli, St. Thome, Ceylon and Goa. Pyrard (1608-11) observed that goods of all the world must pass Ormuz and pay tribute to the Portuguese.67 It so happened that their Governor in Hugli, Manoel Travers, infuriated Shahjahan when as a prince, he was in rebellion and in a helpless position. Travers seized some of the prince’s richly laden boats and carried away some of Mumtaz Mahall’s slave girls. When Shahjahan became king he ordered the Mughal governor of Bengal to chastise the Portuguese. After a sanguinary battle on the famous river port Hugli in 1632 they were expelled from Bengal.68 As a matter of fact the people of India hailed the other European adventurers as liberators from Portuguese tyranny, their forcible conversions and their obnoxious slave trade.69

 

[future_bound]

It is obvious from this thread that there seems to be a perception among hindus that the ancestors of Pakistani muslims did something wrong by converting to islam because it was the so-called invader's religion.

Now even if the ancestors of pakistanis were once hindus, so what?? The ancestors of all muslims and even all christians were once pagans like hindus if we go back to 2000 years.
Hinduism is a casteist religion, and in such a caste based society; who a person's ancestors were and what they did for a living thousands of years ago determines his or her worth as a human being today. That is why i have noticed that hindus have this obsession about ancestry.

Throughout history, people have always converted out of hinduism to any other religion that promises equality in order to escape the caste system

 

[ajtr]

At last! One person who has got it right!

I concur..............

 

[Joe Shearer]

@ Indians: Go to this thread
http://www.defence.pk/forums/general-images-multimedia/20619-indus-valley-civilization-pakistan.html

So which parts of this are part of Pakistani culture today?

 

[Awesome]

Yes - the only true freedom fighter from Pakistan was Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan. It is sad that he spent more time in Pakistani jails than in British ones. Only Pakistani to get a Bharat Ratna.

Due to a little matter of plotting Jinnah's assassination.

 

[Jackdaws]

Lozzzzzz & lozzz on you again & again & again. Anything that is said against Indians becomes nothing more than "oh he was joking or he was kidding". This is the truth you guys never admit anything.

Err - wtf - what do you want me to say - that the Rajputs did come from the Arabian peninsula? LOL.

 

[Don Jaguar]

No rajpoot was converted forcefully but was honoured & treated as friend while or before invading indian kingdoms.

Forceful conversions of gujjars rajpoots & jatts would have assured end of moghul empire before start.

Rajpoots converted peacefully later on by their will due to beauty of islam, sufism or desire of royal graces & rewards.

Again the same thing that we explained before.

Forceful conversion.

 

[ajtr]

All wedding culture is Pakistani.

can someone define what is pakistani culture or what is indian culture first....

 

[Joe Shearer]

The core of the Indus Valley Civilization that included harappa, mohenjo-daro and mehrgarh was in the land called Pakistan. Only the periphery was in parts of india. The irony is that the IVC is of a lot of cultural and historical significance to the hindus but there are hardly any hindus left in that land now

The question was not that. The question was what have you got in your present culture from the IVC?