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How much of Pakistani culture is Indian?

Real work is done by sepoy and since they mixed with us so yes we ruled.

You are saying that it was not Shah Jahan who should be credited for building the Taj Mahal but the stone mason..:lol:

The fact is there was not a single ruler from the provinces that comprise today's Pakistan and all you did act as conscripts for the invading rulers who used you as expendable tools. Nothing to be proud of, friend. Actually you were ruled for some time by Sikh rulers. So its the other way round.
 
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It is obvious from this thread that there seems to be a perception among hindus that the ancestors of Pakistani muslims did something wrong by converting to islam because it was the so-called invader's religion.

Now even if the ancestors of pakistanis were once hindus, so what?? The ancestors of all muslims and even all christians were once pagan like hindus if we go back to 2000 years.
Hinduism is a casteist religion, and in such a caste based society; who a person's ancestors were and what they did for a living thousands of years ago determines his or her worth as a human being today. That is why i have noticed that hindus have this obsession about ancestry.

Throughout history, people have always converted out of hinduism to any other religion that promises equality in order to escape the caste system

LOL - who brought up history in this thread first - Indians or Pakistanis?
 
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He is like hidden gujju modi bot making fun of muslims.....:rolleyes:

He probably did not know that Soonee Mahomedans referred to Sunni Muslims..or perhaps he did know that, since he himself is not a Sunni.
 
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do you get it that we are living in 2012 not 3000-4000 BC!


Did YOU get that there is a mindless bunch of Pakistanis who think that in some magic way, the dead culture of the IVC haw penetrated them? You will get nowhere trying to explain to them. Reason and logic don't work; they felt this to be true at an emotional level.
 
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Pakistan has no self respect. Example drone strike..

In India the Muslims established a number of slave trade centres. Besides Delhi and cities in Bengal there is mention of Badaon in Uttar Pradesh and Mandor in Rajasthan.62 But of course from the narrative of the chroniclers it appears that slave markets existed in almost all important places in the country, for slaves were also sold in fairs held in major cities. In this inhuman business the Hindus were not interested. Firstly, they were themselves at the receiving end, they themselves were the victims. And secondly, as W.H. Moreland points out, “We may infer from della Valle’s statements that the principal Hindus at Surat - perhaps the most humane people that ever lived - disapproved entirely of slavery.” Now few people are as good traders as Gujaratis. They would have excelled if they had taken to slave-trading. But catching and selling of slaves did not fit in with the Hindu psyche. Although, commenting on the statement of della Valle, Moreland says, “but I do not think that this remark can be extended to Hindus generally… though in Akbar’s time at least it did not secure the approval of all Hindus… The existence of slavery is testified to by the travellers Abdur Razak, Conti and Barbosa.”63 It would be safe to presume that it prevailed in the Deccan, because it prevailed farther north in the country whence the Deccan dynasties had sprung and we may believe Nikitin’s statement that in his time there was a trade in ‘Black people’ in Bidar.”64 But the trade was carried on by Muslims and not Hindus, for Moreland adds that in 1643, “a Nayak, or chief, rejected a Dutch request for leave to buy up to 1000 slaves yearly on the ground that the sale of human being was not only a scandal but a sin.”

:P :P

But the Portuguese in this matter followed the custom of the Muslims. “Linschoten recorded that they never worked, but employed slaves, who were sold daily in the market like beasts, and della Valle notes that the ‘greatest part’ of people in Goa were slaves.”66 The Portuguese not only employed Indian slaves for domestic and other duties, but they also regularly brought slaves from Abyssinia and Mozambique for sale at good price in Goa and Surat. They dominated the Indian seas where they pirated non-chalantly, captured slaves and sold them in the markets of Hugli, Tamluk, Pipli, St. Thome, Ceylon and Goa. Pyrard (1608-11) observed that goods of all the world must pass Ormuz and pay tribute to the Portuguese.67 It so happened that their Governor in Hugli, Manoel Travers, infuriated Shahjahan when as a prince, he was in rebellion and in a helpless position. Travers seized some of the prince’s richly laden boats and carried away some of Mumtaz Mahall’s slave girls. When Shahjahan became king he ordered the Mughal governor of Bengal to chastise the Portuguese. After a sanguinary battle on the famous river port Hugli in 1632 they were expelled from Bengal.68 As a matter of fact the people of India hailed the other European adventurers as liberators from Portuguese tyranny, their forcible conversions and their obnoxious slave trade.69

You had alot of self respect on this :P
 
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You are saying that it was not Shah Jahan who should be credited for building the Taj Mahal but the stone mason..:lol:

The fact is there was not a single ruler from the provinces that comprise today's Pakistan and all you did act as conscripts for the invading rulers who used you as expendable tools. Nothing to be proud of, friend. Actually you were ruled for some time by Sikh rulers. So its the other way round.

Stone mason no.

Engineers yes.
 
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In India the Muslims established a number of slave trade centres. Besides Delhi and cities in Bengal there is mention of Badaon in Uttar Pradesh and Mandor in Rajasthan.62 But of course from the narrative of the chroniclers it appears that slave markets existed in almost all important places in the country, for slaves were also sold in fairs held in major cities. In this inhuman business the Hindus were not interested. Firstly, they were themselves at the receiving end, they themselves were the victims. And secondly, as W.H. Moreland points out, “We may infer from della Valle’s statements that the principal Hindus at Surat - perhaps the most humane people that ever lived - disapproved entirely of slavery.” Now few people are as good traders as Gujaratis. They would have excelled if they had taken to slave-trading. But catching and selling of slaves did not fit in with the Hindu psyche. Although, commenting on the statement of della Valle, Moreland says, “but I do not think that this remark can be extended to Hindus generally… though in Akbar’s time at least it did not secure the approval of all Hindus… The existence of slavery is testified to by the travellers Abdur Razak, Conti and Barbosa.”63 It would be safe to presume that it prevailed in the Deccan, because it prevailed farther north in the country whence the Deccan dynasties had sprung and we may believe Nikitin’s statement that in his time there was a trade in ‘Black people’ in Bidar.”64 But the trade was carried on by Muslims and not Hindus, for Moreland adds that in 1643, “a Nayak, or chief, rejected a Dutch request for leave to buy up to 1000 slaves yearly on the ground that the sale of human being was not only a scandal but a sin.”

You had alot of self respect on this :P

Icewolf, why are you intent on insulting the Muslims and Islam today ? First you post a picture of a Sunni Muslim disparagingly and now you are giving articles about how Muslims were involved in the inhumane slave trade and praises Hindus for not indulging in it.

I know Bohras are big supporters of Modi, but this is carrying it a bit far. :lol:
 
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To be honest I'm happy Joe Shearer is here to calm down the retards from making outrageous statements.

Pdf should make joe shearer a mod for his fairness and his undeniable scholarly ability. My two cents. The rest of the Indians are morons.
 
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Stone mason no.

Engineers yes.

Still they were all subordinate to Shah Jahan and history remembers only him.

In a similar way, you guys were probably conscripts toiling away under foreign masters and fighting their wars. Actually you know what ? You are doing that even now - fighting America's GWOT. I guess not much has changed.
 
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