How many Pakistani PDF members were opposed to CPEC from beginning?

[Kamikaze Pilot]

I support what Musharaf supported

Please be clear. Did Musharaf support CPEC or did he oppose it?

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@django

 

[django]

Please be clear. Did Musharaf support CPEC or did he oppose it?


@django

All in favour of it. always have been, 101 reasons for it.Kudos young fellow

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

A man without the knowledge of history isn't truly enlightened - a history professor

A Pak well-wisher with the knowledge of history can't oppose CPEC!!!! Being a vital cog in a trade route - albeit connecting the "factory of the world" to it's markets for both consumption and raw materials - can't be a losing concern!!!!! Not to mention the geo-strategic part associated with it...

I voted "yes" not because of the stupid Pakistani media which I rarely bother with - although I like Herald magazine. I was for CPEC from day one because of my own reasons which were -

• It would open the door to Chinese influence inside Pakistan. The Chinese are athiest. I don't like mullah politics. So that introduces the tantalizing equation of +-=X or plus minus equals ex where plus is Chinese influence and minus is mullah politics and X is the level of religious obscurantism inside Pakistan. Therefore greater the plus it reduces X. That is like a gift from heavens for secularists inside Pakistan. This means we begin the long road to secular society.
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• Because China is next door Chinese influence would permeate into all aspects of Pakistani society. That means way doing business and the economy would over time reconfigure itself. Not only would Pakistani's become more business like rather than ummah like but it would encourage competion and innovation that over time would change Pakistan's political economy and state. Win win.
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• With this much investment China would never allow Pakistan to turn into a religious hell hole. Therefore efectively CPEC is insurance policy. China would behind closed doors exert pressure on Pak ruling elite to take the path of progress.
  
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• Other investors would be more confident of investing money as they say China ploughing in billions.

I think here by "Mullah" you don't mean the Islamic scholarship based on 14 centuries of accumulated Ilm and Akide, which can debate and discuss Ibn-i Haldun and Imam-i Rabbani at the same breadth to come up with geo-political, geo-strategic, geo-economic etc. decisions based on the best arguments and rationales as permitted by the Hakikat of the given time and space!!! Now, there're some other "pseudo branches", which are the products of the Imperialist intelligence services, and I think "Mullah"-ism in your response alludes to that...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

think "Mullah"-ism in your response alludes to that

Mullahism to me means the accretion of anti-modernism or anti-rationality merely because of colonial experiance. That is declaring any attribute that the colonial subjects saw to Westernism even if it made sense. It's form of guilt by association. It is a reactive, retrogressive way of thinking that took root amongst slaved subjects of European powers.

 

[Imad.Khan]

i didn't cast my vote because none of the options suit me. I never opposed CPEC and i don't support it cause i trust the media.

I have some doubts, essentially i think the benefits have been exaggerated but thats my only concern.

 

[Zhukov]

Well nobody is opposing CPEC. We all want a safe future for our kids and development of our country and elevation of Poverty Levels and Economic progress.
But if it was all done by ourselves it would have been great. This type of influence by a foreign country just makes me uncomfortable. We are permanently tied with Chinese foreign policy decisions at least for coming half century. More like Japan for USA.

But at least something is better then nothing. An Independent foreign policy without Economic prowess is useless like North Korea or Cuba.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

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@Azadkashmir

 

[Godman]

In long run, the infrastructure of Pakistan will be developed but Pakistan will be under huge debt. I don't think Pakistan economy will be big enough in future to pay back those loans to China. Also the money for transporting Chinese Good via Land and Gwadar will Not be sufficient enough to finish off these loans and this toll money alone cannot revive the economy. The dreams of creating economical/industrial zones will remain dreams. Thus CPEC will become one of the many lost dreams which pakistani nation has seen since 1947. But the blame goes to Corrupt Pakistani politicians who were corrupt to the core and on top, they were never visionary.

In future, the relationship between Pakistan and China will also cool down once China starts asking Pakistan to pay back their loans and Pakistan will not have money to return them. Then Pakistan has to give what Sri Lanka gave i.e. Ports and other assets.

Sri Lanka did NOT sell shares of SL ports just because we can't pay back the debt. Better Chinese management and the ability of the Chinese to invest more were several other reasons.
There is NO need to build everything from loans in the first place. Chinese are willing for BOT projects and Joint ventures.

@Chinese-Dragon @AndrewJin

 

[Spring Onion]

Please be clear. Did Musharaf support CPEC or did he oppose it?


@django

Musharraf supported it

 

[xyxmt]

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@Azadkashmir

Al thought i have issue with the 2nd choice, i dont trust the integrity of Pakistani media...but I supported CPEC from the begining but my views about CPEC were different from others. In my Views, belt and road are a minor part of CPEC the major part is relocating Chinese industry to Gawader and other part of Pakistan is Chinese strategy to 1. gain a market of 200 millions by producing most stuff in Pakistan and 2. Diversify Chinese investments since China is already too developed and not much room more investments, 3. Whats better place to start this strategy than to China's closest friend.

 

[somebozo]

There is no logical reason to oppose CPEC in pure black and white..however, issues must be resolved in just manner for all stake holders..

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

There is no logical reason to oppose CPEC in pure black and white..however, issues must be resolved in just manner for all stake holders..

Effect of corrupt media's propaganda blizzard. Even the staunchest critics of Chinese become supporter of Chinese project.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-fraud-in-chinese-air-conditioning.433175/

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

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@El Sidd

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@Irfan Baloch

 

[Devil Soul]

@El Sidd

@Jungibaaz

@PakSword @Jf Thunder

@Devil Soul @khansaheeb

voted long ago ....... @ in favour of CPEC

 

[El Sidd]

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@Jungibaaz

@PakSword @Jf Thunder

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@Irfan Baloch

i am just gonna say it was my idea to begin with.