That hadith contradicts the Quran where Allah leaves open the possibility of repentance AND clearly tells us that HE will punish the apostate.
The one you are falsely accusing of contradicting the Quran is the one who the Quran was revealed to, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. I'm sure he may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him wAs more aware of what is meant by the verses you quoted.
Allah the mos high said
"They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad ).
But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them." [Surah Nisa verse 89]
Are you now now going to say that the Quran contradicts itself aoudhubillah?
Or are you going to suggest that this hadith contradict the Quran as well
Al-Bukhaari ( and Muslim narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am the Messenger of Allaah, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a previously-married person who commits zina; and one who leaves his religion and separates from the main body of the Muslims.”
or this athar
Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.'
No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Here we can see how hazrat Ibn Abbas(ra) understood the hadith,he was the cousin of the messenger of Allah may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. It is the understanding of the companions that matters and not that of modern day heretics who wish to change the religion.
here's another athar
Narrated Abu Burda:
Abu Musa said, "... The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said,
"I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed.Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58:
Now are you going to suggest that the companions (ra) who understood this religion better than anyone who came after them,who accompanied the messenger of Allah,who learned the religion directly from the messenger of Allah also contradicted the Quran.
Again let me repeat
none of the verses you quoted explicitly state not to kill the apostate,they only inform us of what Allah will do with them in the hereafter.
Those who would do so are weak of faith anyway, and Allah will judge them in the afterlife like every one else, as he commands in the Quran.
Yes Allah will judge them as he will judge the murderers and rapists etc but the fact that Allah will punish them in the afterlife does not mean there is no punishment on earth.
If people lose faith merely because others leave the faith, then Islam is a very, very weak religion indeed.
The ruling is regarding those who make a public display of their disbelief, this in turn leads to fitna within a Muslim society.It is not just a matter of someone losing faith but not advertising his disbelief,such people are free to live within the Islamic state or to leave if they want to be open about their disbelief and they will not be hunted down and brought back from a different land.
That is not justification for contradicting the Quran and killing people on earth for 'apostasy'.
The ruling does not contradict the Quran at all,that is just your misconception.
Gambit responded to this very well in his post.
I in turn explained to gambit why such is the case, I can understand gambits doubts as he is a non Muslim, but you claim Islam for yourself yet you find yourself agreeing with kufr more than with Islam.
Murder and treason inflict tangible harm on entities (an individual or a nation), which is why punishment for those crimes is set by society.
Here again as usual you cant bring yourself to look at the issue as someone who believes rather you look at t from the perspective of a disbeliever. For us Muslims Alhamdulillah Allah is real we believe this without doubt. For someone to deny this is a heinous crime, for someone who accepts the reality of Allah of their own free will and lives amongst the Muslims and marries from their women and is given all the rights and privileges that are afforded by the Islamic state to the Muslim, to then openly and flagrantly declare their disbelief and even call to it is indeed a crime worthy of the punishment of death.In the sight of Muslims this is worse than murder,for the murderer is still a Muslim who would still be prayed over after execution where as the murtad is far worse than that
Disbelief and rejection of Allah is a 'sin' of faith, it inflicts no tangible harm on any entity, and is between the individual and Allah, and therefore the only judge can be Allah and only he can punish for such a sin, as he commands us in the Quran.
If the apostate keeps his disbelief to himself then yes it is between him and his lord, but for the one who seeks to corrupt the Muslim society by calling to his disbelief then the state must enforce the prescribed punishment.
Please see above - murder, treason, beating a child - they are all sins that inflict tangible harm on an entity, and society is therefore bound to prescribe punishment for such sins. Leaving the faith inflicts no tangible harm on anyone, and is between the creator and the individual.
Again leaving the faith can be very harmful if it is done in the open,please refer to the incident I related in a previous post about some enemies of the Islamic state of Medina who sought to cause corruption within the Muslim Society by accepting Islam with the intention of publicly denouncing their faith soon afterward.The Islamic state cannot tolerate such transgression in fact no state would.
Neither do the verses at any point suggest punishment for apostasy in the material world, and they clearly point towards divine punishment and Allah calling upon mankind to let HIM punish the apostate.
I have quoted a verse and ahadith which clearly command the punishment of death.But you are not interested in the truth,you are not interested in what the scriptures state.You want to follow your inner desires and you are just trying to justify it by picking and choosing from Islamic texts what suits you.
The insult has already been made by this distortion of Allah's word - those supporting such interpretations have distorted a religion of peace, love and tolerance, and misinterpreted it to concentrate power and control in themselves, they have distorted it to stifle dissent and persecute those who disagree, they have distorted it to perpetuate their parochial and patriarchal societal views.
So according to you our scholars and the companions of the Prophet may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him even the Prophet himself fall into the category of people you have described above? This is disgusting, you are making revolting insulting statements against the Islamic heritage,against that which we as Muslims deem sacred.I again urge you and I urge the other mods to urge you to stop your slanderous allegations.
You forget that these 'scholars' were just men - fallible, ordinary men, and they lived in societies with a particular outlook on life. Societies that were often Tribal, patriarchal, oppressive.
Your failing to understand that the scholars take their views from the texts,they are he ones who understand the texts and the true intent of their meanings.The scholars are in agreement on this issue,this is not a question of difference of opinion.The companions were in agreement on this, are you suggesting that they were all wrong? and that you an agnostic have somehow realised the true meaning of the Quran some 1400 years after it was revealed?
It isn't a wonder that the interpretations that many of them arrived at and continue to cling to are reflective of those attitudes.
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So they were wrong 1400 years of scholarship wrong? Some of the greatest minds that have ever existed,wrong? Imam Abu hanifa wrong? Imam Malik,wrong? Imam Shafi,wrong? Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal,wrong? the thousands of other scholars wrong? and you a agnostic living in the U.S who probably doesn't know the correct method of performing istinja are right? This is the most ridiculous and insulting thing I've ever read.