How India gains by selling BrahMos to Vietnam

[DesiGuy1403]

Easy man. A counter response from China, if your words were to be followed, would be to heavily arm Naxalites, Kashmiri Insurgents, and North-East Insurgents.

North East is an area where India is very vulnerable.

They are already doing what you are saying mate.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Easy man. A counter response from China, if your words were to be followed, would be to heavily arm Naxalites, Kashmiri Insurgents, and North-East Insurgents.

North East is an area where India is very vulnerable.

Days of India responding is getting Thin, China also has under belly,

A) Tibet Freedom Movement
B) Chinese Muslims freedom movement
C) Kashmiri liberation force working in PAK Kashmir, attacking cargo in name of freedom

Moreover China given PAK nukes and missies, I wonder, why not India do the same i.e. Ballistic Missiles and Nuke may be.

this will give Chinese hell lot of sleepless night

 

[Akasa]

But you wrong on this , Brahmos can alter the balance of Chinese ships for next few years till they do not develop counter to it.

suppose a solve of 20 missiles can wipe / cripple 20 ships in 300 km range or in boats with 400 or 500 km range.

Missiles in supersonic regimes have existed far before the BrahMos made its debut, so it's a fair bet that the Chinese do have some form of countermeasure, if not in service then in development.

Launching 20 missiles does not nominally translate to 20 effective strikes, especially near their maximum range.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

They are already doing what you are saying mate.

I don't think so.

China has no involvement in Kashmir. Rather, China's official stance on Kashmir is exactly what we urge other countries to have, that is, it is a matter between India and Pakistan, and other nations should not interfere. Pakistan is the one that wants to internationlize the issue. China can do a lot here.

Plus, while there are some intelligence linkages with NE Rebels, China can do a bloody hell lot there. NE has a huge population that doesn't really like India, especially at the peripheries.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Missiles in supersonic regimes have existed far before the BrahMos made its debut, so it's a fair bet that the Chinese do have some form of countermeasure, if not in service then in development.

At present no Vid / Proof existed of its defence measures ..........so let do not talk about imaginary non-existing things

Launching 20 missiles does not nominally translate to 20 effective strikes, especially near their maximum range.

300KM is only the range which made public , even Russia and India give enough hint that these missiles are more then 300km range, Its actual range is secret and will be revealed in wartime only.

With the missile boats all Chinese bases will be easily covered . moreover with Air ( under develop) will be night mare for Chinese ships ......as Chinese will be claims sea upto 50 KM from their land

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Days of India responding is getting Thin, China also has under belly,

A) Tibet Freedom Movement
B) Chinese Muslims freedom movement
C) Kashmiri liberation force working in PAK Kashmir, attacking cargo in name of freedom

Moreover China given PAK nukes and missies, I wonder, why not India do the same i.e. Ballistic Missiles and Nuke may be.

this will give Chinese hell lot of sleepless night

See one thing that people don't seem to understand here, is that China and India are NOT equal. China is leaps and bounds ahead of India in all ways, and this is even acknowledged by Doval, our Intelligence Czar. We should first try to get to be equal to then expect equal treatment.

Second, I know China in a lot of depth, as for your points:

A) You won't be able to do anything. TAR has only 2.5 million people.
B) This thing can only be written by people who have no knowledge of China. There are essentially two types of Muslims in China- Hui and Uygur. Hui people are as much Chinese as any one else, and forget about any "movement" there. It is only Uygur's which have a problem, and that too based mostly on ethnic and cultural identity, not so much religion.
C) At the end of the day, Kashmiri people are not very friendly to India. And if China starts funding activity there, and starts encouraging Pakistan to increase militancy, you will see it like it has never been like.

As for providing Nukes. The day Chinese smell that Vietnam is getting or thinking about nukes, they will attack. And the attack won't be to conquer Vietnam. No. It would be to step into Vietnam, reach Hanoi, permanently disable nuclear facilities, and then get out.

USA lost in Vietnam, due to sustained guerilla warfare, which China will not engage in. It will be a quick, at max 4-5 months mission. And the Vietnamese know it. All their hardwork to get their economy back on track will doom to failure.

 

[Akasa]

At present no Vid / Proof existed of its defence measures ..........so let do not talk about imaginary non-existing things

Conversely, there is neither proof nor video of the inability of existing defense systems to engage the BrahMos. The Chinese have both fielded and evaluated supersonic missiles for decades, and drawing from the appearance of new CIWS (namely, the Type 1130 & HQ-10) in tandem with new interceptor missiles, it is rather unreasonable to assume that the Chinese have not begun or thought of countering the BrahMos. Not to discredit, of course, the argument that the BrahMos has its flaws just like any other missile.

300KM is only the range which made public , even Russia and India give enough hint that these missiles are more then 300km range, Its actual range is secret and will be revealed in wartime only.

With the missile boats all Chinese bases will be easily covered . moreover with Air ( under develop) will be night mare for Chinese ships ......as Chinese will be claims sea upto 50 KM from their land

Not quite. The 300 km range is the limit set by the Missile Technology Control Regime, to which both Russia and India are signatories, and which requires that exported systems have no more than 300 km of range and a 500 kg warhead.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Yes its all geo politics, russia will have some leverage on china regarding India. They can simply washoff their hands saying cant do anything or influence India not to sell. Either way you look at it china gets dinged, either by India or by russia.

Ah well, both China and Russia have shown India the door in NSG. Feel free to sell "Yakont" Missile to Vietnam.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Conversely, there is neither proof nor video of the inability of existing defense systems to engage the BrahMos. The Chinese have both fielded and evaluated supersonic missiles for decades, and drawing from the appearance of new CIWS (namely, the Type 1130 & HQ-10) in tandem with new interceptor missiles, it is rather unreasonable to assume that the Chinese have not begun or thought of countering the BrahMos. Not to discredit, of course, the argument that the BrahMos has its flaws just like any other missile.

The type 1130 and HQ10 is designed for sub sonic missile, S-300 copy. Moreover S300 copy u r not deploying no ships.....

Gatling gun is only the last hope , and its existed from very old age and still not able to saves ship from anti-Ship missiles. This gun only depends on luck . moreover Brahmos made S or Z or different pattern instead of straight which make is difficult to shot by gun.

Not quite. The 300 km range is the limit set by the Missile Technology Control Regime, to which both Russia and India are signatories, and which requires that exported systems have no more than 300 km of range and a 500 kg warhead.

Well NSG also set guidelines, then also Chinese companies / PAK founded to violating many guidelines of this.

Who Goona stop India/ Russia. This is not pure Russian missile, India bypass the MTCR already and now a member.

https://defence.pk/threads/brahmos-...mtcr-range-can-be-extended-beyond-300.234105/.

See one thing that people don't seem to understand here, is that China and India are NOT equal. China is leaps and bounds ahead of India in all ways, and this is even acknowledged by Doval, our Intelligence Czar. We should first try to get to be equal to then expect equal treatment.

yes, Everyone knows India and china is not equal.

People always remember 1962, but forget other incident which makes China wet after 1962. Even US is defeated despite military strong.

Second, I know China in a lot of depth, as for your points:

A) You won't be able to do anything. TAR has only 2.5 million people.

perfect , need less no of people to control the city. Its not about people, it about controlling the area. Suppose every week Railway line is blow up , or bridge blown up and tunnel blow up, how much it cost to china?

B) This thing can only be written by people who have no knowledge of China. There are essentially two types of Muslims in China- Hui and Uygur. Hui people are as much Chinese as any one else, and forget about any "movement" there. It is only Uygur's which have a problem, and that too based mostly on ethnic and cultural identity, not so much religion.

Sir, their are many groups in China which opposes HUN Chinese.

C) At the end of the day, Kashmiri people are not very friendly to India. And if China starts funding activity there, and starts encouraging Pakistan to increase militancy, you will see it like it has never been like.

India already in a position to seal the entire border in next 2-3 years with multi backups. Right now also not much militant can enter India.

Well China fund the NE Rebels , their are enough evidence of that , UFA chief goes and do meeting in china. but the problem is china can not do opening , if it do, US will put foot here. Moreover India now going for defensive to offensive mode WRT to china.

As for providing Nukes. The day Chinese smell that Vietnam is getting or thinking about nukes, they will attack. And the attack won't be to conquer Vietnam. No. It would be to step into Vietnam, reach Hanoi, permanently disable nuclear facilities, and then get out.

China is not in a position as of now to do anything, as this will loose the Cat. US in South China sea , China wont be stupid to do that.

Moreover US is now building Nuclear power plant in Vietnam. you Think China has enough Balls to touch that?

USA lost in Vietnam, due to sustained guerilla warfare, which China will not engage in. It will be a quick, at max 4-5 months mission. And the Vietnamese know it. All their hard work to get their economy back on track will doom to failure.

After attacking Viets , you expect everything will kool for china?

China works different strategy , Cabbage Strategy , inch by inch strategy and Chicken Neck strategy. All these strategy they applying in SCS. with US flying over their bases .... what u expect ?

Ah well, both China and Russia have shown India the door in NSG. Feel free to sell "Yakont" Missile to Vietnam.

wonder why Yokont can travel only at 2.5 while Barhmos can travel @3Mach ?

not Russia only china in NSG and they will regret soon....

 

[Taimoor Khan]

wonder why Yokont can travel only at 2.5 while Barhmos can travel @3Mach ?

not Russia only china in NSG and they will regret soon....

Because Russian engineers upgraded it.

Oh , world is trembling at the prospect of Indian being pissed off. ROFL.

 

[OrionHunter]

India’s sale of BrahMos would likely be a strategic decision which would be determined by China’s growing influence in the Indian Ocean and its unprecedented support to Pakistan, as also Beijing’s OBOR initiative and its objection to India’s NSG membership.

http://idrw.org/india-gains-selling-brahmos-vietnam/ .

 

[TejasMk3]

Easy man. A counter response from China, if your words were to be followed, would be to heavily arm Naxalites, Kashmiri Insurgents, and North-East Insurgents.

North East is an area where India is very vulnerable.

I don't think so.

Perhaps read a few books on the subject

Do you realize they have been doing this for a long, loong time? Like atleast 50-60 years now. China and Pakistan worked together to train, arm and supply Nagas separatists in Dhaka (then east Pakistan), and in the Yunnan hills. The NSCN itself is pretty much a chinese creation. MNF was also helped a lot and trained by the Chinese,Their leader Laldenga (who later settled things amicably) traveled to Beijing met with officials, and wanted to train his group in Yunnan,just like the Nagas, but this was ultimately foiled by Indian intelligence in collaboration with the Burmese army. Apart from this there is support to Assamese insurgents groups like ULFA and other ragtag groups in the region and in the red corridor. Treating this lightly is like saying Pakistan has "some connection " to Jihadi groups.

There is even a funny incident where Naga separatists wanted to bring their bibles into training camps organized by the Chinese, but they would not allow it, this issue actually stalled their terrorist training program for a few weeks (ultimately Chinese agreed to allow bibles and pastors in)

We were fighting U.S-Pakistan aided Khalistanis on one side, while the same Americans were helping us against Chinese backed rebels terrorists on the other.

The fantasy that some Indians have about China being an angel that has done no wrong till now

 

[HariPrasad]

You do understand the current geopolitics and also the size of trade volume between China and Russia?



Russia may sell directly for its own national interests, but to let a third party use its tech for the purpose, is a completely different ball game. we will see how it goes. Its a developing story.

Calm Dow guy. yet we have not given it to Afghanistan. It is not for you to worry.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Because Russian engineers upgraded it.

Oh , world is trembling at the prospect of Indian being pissed off. ROFL.

if Russian upgraded it , then why they done with their own missile?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Calm Dow guy. yet we have not given it to Afghanistan. It is not for you to worry.

Afghanistan! Try it son, I am sure those in charge of your national security are not fools.

And yes, discussing the geopolitics associated with his issue shouldn't make you hyper I believe.

if Russian upgraded it , then why they done with their own missile?

Ask the Russian! The world know it is a Russian technology that you lot repainted in Indian colours.