How I, a Punjabi, was brainwashed with anti-Pashtun bigotry. And how I unlearnt it

[ziaulislam]

Alright here's your logical answer. I said some Pashtuns are traitors (not all). Some Pashtuns support ANP, but obviously not all.
And do you remember when the Pashtun nationalist traitor Mehmood Achakzai condemned the execution of another traitor, Akbar Bugti, in the Parliament no less?
And don't forget 2008 elections when ANP won 48 out of 99 seats in NWFP provincial assembly. So obviously a large fraction of Pakhtuns are traitors and leftists.

really..i can quote you people who believe the world is flat...

ANP has never had agenda of anti pakistan otherwise they will not win, Bacha khan wanted united pushtoons and PEOPLE REJECTED HIS IDEA(even though he had stature of being a big philanthropist) BY VOTING FOR PML (not Afghanistan, pushtoons, there are more pushtoons in pakistan than Afghanistan, the reason why non pushtoons in afghanistan hated him for this),
when i look at his thought process of united pushtoons it still make sense to some and i will not fault them for it..he did later accepted Pakistan and its constitution

you still haven't answered my question? why are Punjabi people nationalist and always vote for punjab card while pushtoons being open to all ANP, MMA, PPPP and PML N

 

[Zulfiqar1919]

really..i can quote you people who believe the world is flat...

ANP has never had agenda of anti pakistan otherwise they will not win, Bacha khan wanted united pushtoons and PEOPLE REJECTED HIS IDEA(even though he had stature of being a big philanthropist) BY VOTING FOR PML (not Afghanistan, pushtoons, there are more pushtoons in pakistan than Afghanistan, the reason why non pushtoons in afghanistan hated him for this),
when i look at his thought process of united pushtoons it still make sense to some and i will not fault them for it..he did later accepted Pakistan and its constitution

you still haven't answered my question? why are Punjabi people nationalist and always vote for punjab card while pushtoons being open to all ANP, MMA, PPPP and PML N

Look how confused you are. You admit Bacha Khan was a traitor, but fail to mention that ANP celebrates Bacha Khan as their hero. There is a university in Charsadda called Bacha Khan University which was founded during ANP government in 2012. Can you imagine "Muhammad Ali Jinnah University" in India? So why is there a "Bacha Khan University" in Pakistan? Pakhtun treachery.

Now you say that PML is a Punjabi nationalist party? That is ridiculous. Prove that Muslim League is a Punjabi nationalist party.

 

[ziaulislam]

Now you say that PML is a Punjabi nationalist party? That is ridiculous. Prove that Muslim League is a Punjabi nationalist party.

aligraph is in india (there are other examples), you ignored my pint is that bacha khan completely accepted Pakistan and was great philanthropist no matter what his political affiliation were..
and bacha khan never wanted to join India(even though he formed govt with congress)..British told him to either join pakistan or india and he rejected both if he had decided to join india than i would label him as traitor

PML N is punjabi part, just like PPPP and MQM is sindhi and mahjir party and just like ANP is pushtoon party, they even start talking in punjabi when joking about PPPP...i can write a book on this
nawaz is traitor who
praises mujeeb ur rehman talks about breaking the country, this is never been done even by bacha khan

 

[Zulfiqar1919]

British told him to either join pakistan...and he rejected

Bingo!
In other words: he was a traitor

 

[ziaulislam]

Bingo!
In other words: he was a traitor

if taking care of your neighbor makes your traitor, well than all pushtoons are traitor including me not some....
if accepting Pakistan and fighting for kashmir makes us traitors that all pushtoons are traitors...
Punjabi politician delay to do reforms and giving rights to bengalis caused 1971 and their delay to do reforms in FATA is making another issue

you still didnt answered my question about why punjabis always vote for PM L N/punjab card/nationalism? pushtoons voted for quaid-i-azam, i am defending a minority leader, and waiting for your answer about your majority leader

 

[Zulfiqar1919]

if taking care of your neighbor makes your traitor, well than all pushtoons are traitor including me not some....
if accepting Pakistan and fighting for kashmir makes us traitors that all pushtoons are traitors...
Punjabi politician delay to do reforms and giving rights to bengalis caused 1971 and their delay to do reforms in FATA is making another issue

you still didnt answered my question about why punjabis always vote for PM L N/punjab card/nationalism? pushtoons voted for quaid-i-azam, i am defending a minority leader, and waiting for your answer about your majority leader

Why don't you admit Bacha Khan was a traitor? Why is it so hard to do that? It means you have Pakhtun nationalism in your heart and a secret grudge against Pakistan.

Bacha Khan demanded that a vote for independent Pakhtunistan be a third option in the referendum. Why is such a traitor celebrated in your province and university named after him? Why is ANP allowed to function when they celebrate such traitors. Even Abdul Wali Khan was a traitor, another major figure of ANP. He even was sent Rs. 20,000,000 by Indira Gandhi!

As for Muslim League, I already answered it is not an ideologically Punjabi nationalist party, quite the contrary. Just because it is popular in Punjab doesn't mean it is Punjabi nationalist, it is a federal and national party, like the PTI.

 

[ziaulislam]

Why don't you admit Bacha Khan was a traitor? Why is it so hard to do that? It means you have Pakhtun nationalism in your heart and a secret grudge against Pakistan.

Bacha Khan demanded that a vote for independent Pakhtunistan be a third option in the referendum. Why is such a traitor celebrated in your province and university named after him? Why is ANP allowed to function when they celebrate such traitors. Even Abdul Wali Khan was a traitor, another major figure of ANP. He even was sent Rs. 20,000,000 by Indira Gandhi!

As for Muslim League, I already answered it is not an ideologically Punjabi nationalist party, quite the contrary. Just because it is popular in Punjab doesn't mean it is Punjabi nationalist, it is a federal and national party, like the PTI.

Why don't you admit Bacha Khan was a traitor? Why is it so hard to do that? It means you have Pakhtun nationalism in your heart and a secret grudge against Pakistan.
i admit him for what he was, a nationalist and philanthropist before Pakistan was created and Pakistani after it was created..will you call Jinnah a traitor as he also spoke for hindu Muslim unity at some time?

As for Muslim League, I already answered it is not an ideologically Punjabi nationalist party, quite the contrary.?
for all practical purposes its a Punjabi party who uses Punjabi nationalism for its core vote base similarly to what PPPP does..south punjab being not punjabi language is different and hence you see that as a swing area and hence ignored by punjabi card PML N

you still havent answered my question because its fact...there is more nationalism in central and northern punjab, sindh than its in KPK..this nationalism is threat to pakistan

PS:
on bacha khan:

people did rejected him and his supporters are in minority but facts are facts, i will not take away for what he did for india/pushtoons in pre independence time before even the concept of pakistan was not coined, at a time when even Jinnah was in favor of united india

you fault some pushtoons for this while today most punjab is nationlist??

 

[Zulfiqar1919]

Why don't you admit Bacha Khan was a traitor? Why is it so hard to do that? It means you have Pakhtun nationalism in your heart and a secret grudge against Pakistan.
i admit him for what he was, a nationalist and philanthropist before Pakistan was created and Pakistani after it was created..will you call Jinnah a traitor as he also spoke for hindu Muslim unity at some time?

Did Jinnah oppose creation of Pakistan? Bacha Khan certainly did. Get real man.
Why was name of NWFP changed to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa against the explicit wishes of the Hindko community in Hazara division? Why do Pakhtuns oppose the creation of a Hazarewal province from those areas that are non-Pakhtun? They want their separate province after name of NWFP (a neutral name) was changed to an ethnic name.

 

[ziaulislam]

this exactly what this article states..Punjabi are taught that punjabi nationalism is great and people who like bacha khan for what he did in past are traitors and hence by default pushtoons are traitors

 

[Hamza913]

So-called Punjabi bigotry toward Pashtuns is not really a thing. The real problem is Pashtun nationalism. There is no such thing as Punjabi nationalism in Pakistan. So why can’t other ethnic groups especially Pashtuns cure themselves of the cancer of ethnic nationalism? Pashtuns complain of discrimination in Pakistan like the killing of Naqibullah Mehsud (an isolated incident – there are police killings everyday which don’t raise so much as an eyebrow), but what about Pashtun discrimination against non-Pashtuns in Afghanistan. Look how Ashraf Ghani, in order to accommodate Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, is dismissing non-Pashtun governors like a dictator and ethno-nationalist. Pashtuns cry racism in Pakistan while they treat non-Pashtuns like trash in Afghanistan. What a hypocrisy.

The truth is, Pashtuns are bitter about the fact that the majority of their people are now ruled from Rawalpindi. They can’t handle the fact that the Indic “daal-khors” rule over them. They can romanticize the past all they want and sing about their Durrani dynasty and their conquests of India. But right now, in the year 2018, the Pashtuns are losers, their people are divided by the Durand Line and the majority of them are ruled from Rawalpindi GHQ. Poetic justice.

Asalamu Alaikum

A lot of Afghan Pakhtuns are like this, but very few Pakistani Pakhtuns are. The only double standard is that a lot of ethnic groups in Pakistan cry racism, but then talk trash about other ethnic groups.

 

[ziaulislam]

Did Jinnah oppose creation of Pakistan? Bacha Khan certainly did. Get real man.
Why was name of NWFP changed to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa against the explicit wishes of the Hindko community in Hazara division? Why do Pakhtuns oppose the creation of a Hazarewal province from those areas that are non-Pakhtun? They want their separate province after name of NWFP (a neutral name) was changed to an ethnic name.

1. all parties in KPK are okay with hazara except PML N and punjab as they fear this will create demand for more provinces and hence blocking fata reforms
2. how the **** is NWFP neutral name,its not even a name atleast pakistan now owns all the pushtoons and have destroyed any chance for Raw for pushtonistan
3. ask PML N to table a resolution in KPK and PTI will support it
4. you still havent answered my question why punajbis still holdnationlism
5. did you accepted Pakistan when it was created, if yes than how can be a traitor?, his party signed the 1973 constitution without any opposition..this was despite him being arrested and exiled by punjabi establishment, they did this in bengal and we know what happened
6. the biggest threat to Pakistan is not bacha khan airport but punjabi and sindhi nationlism

PS:
i am from Ghazi, haripur, not a pushtoon from my father side but would want the facts to be correct

 

[Zulfiqar1919]

1. all parties in KPK are okay with hazara except PML N and punjab as they fear this will create demand for more provinces and hence blocking fata reforms
2. how the **** is NWFP neutral name,its not even a name atleast pakistan now owns all the pushtoons and have destroyed any chance for Raw for pushtonistan
3. ask PML N to table a resolution in KPK and PTI will support it
4. you still havent answered my question why punajbis still holdnationlism
5. did you accepted Pakistan when it was created, if yes than how can be a traitor?, his party signed the 1973 constitution without any opposition..this was despite him being arrested and exiled by punjabi establishment, they did this in bengal and we know what happened
6. the biggest threat to Pakistan is not bacha khan airport but punjabi and sindhi nationlism

PS:
i am from Ghazi, haripur, not a pushtoon from my father side but would want the facts to be correct

Give me an example of Punjabi nationalism.
Why do ANP and Sherpao oppose Hazara province?

 

[ziaulislam]

Give me an example of Punjabi nationalism.
Why do ANP and Sherpao oppose Hazara province?

1. but majority doesnt oppose hazara province, a resolution is already passed.. its PML N that doesnt want to move it in federation https://www.dawn.com/news/1094671
2. all the history of pakistan is based upon northern punjab punjabi nationalism till today with PML N
3. ANP was in opposition, what does oppsotion do..when it was in power it wasnot against hazara province
   ANP to back resolution on Hazara province: ministerhttps://www.thenews.com.pk/archive/print/337290

 

[Jaanbaz]

1. all parties in KPK are okay with hazara except PML N and punjab as they fear this will create demand for more provinces and hence blocking fata reforms
2. how the **** is NWFP neutral name,its not even a name atleast pakistan now owns all the pushtoons and have destroyed any chance for Raw for pushtonistan
3. ask PML N to table a resolution in KPK and PTI will support it
4. you still havent answered my question why punajbis still holdnationlism
5. did you accepted Pakistan when it was created, if yes than how can be a traitor?, his party signed the 1973 constitution without any opposition..this was despite him being arrested and exiled by punjabi establishment, they did this in bengal and we know what happened
6. the biggest threat to Pakistan is not bacha khan airport but punjabi and sindhi nationlism

PS:
i am from Ghazi, haripur, not a pushtoon from my father side but would want the facts to be correct

I will suggest you to ignore this troll. I just made a mistake of replying to his comment in another thread without realising he is a false flag Gangadeshi troll.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Give me an example of Punjabi nationalism.
Why do ANP and Sherpao oppose Hazara province?

Didn't NS used to say Jaag Punjabi Jaag in his early years? Couldn't that be Punjabi nationalism?