How I, a Punjabi, was brainwashed with anti-Pashtun bigotry. And how I unlearnt it

[ziaulislam]

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I will suggest you to ignore this troll. I just made a mistake of replying to his comment in another thread without realising he is a false flag Gangadeshi troll.

1. my ending statement is simple bacha khan ideology was nationalism and he was philanthropist...people of KPK disagreed with his ideas and accepted Jinnah idea, yet he should not be faulted for his rationale of wanting pushtoon unity, he was by no means in support of india, he later accepted Pakistan and constitution and was actively involved in politics but yet was put in jail for rest of his life for no reason..similar tactics led to bengal problem
2. nations learn from their mistake not burry them under the rug
3. there is problem with regional politics in Pakistan, to me this is rural KPK(JUI whihc is not a pushtoon party), some pockets of rural mardan, charsadda areas(ANP) but by far more urban KPK has always moved towards national politics, we have problems in urban sindh MQM, rural sindh PPPP and Punjab
4. faulting KPK for regional politics is hypocrisy as it has least regional politics in whole Pakistan
5. more provinces are needed and more reforms, PM LN should not blocks reforms like FATA merger and punjab/KPK division in provinces
6. you cannot create provinces in one province be it KPK or Punjab without all Pakistan, as it would lead to imbalance and would lead to weakning of SMALLER provinces
7. pakistani should for go regional politics, especially people of URBAN AREAS

 

[Zulfiqar1919]

Didn't NS used to say Jaag Punjabi Jaag in his early years? Couldn't that be Punjabi nationalism?

Anecdotal. I'm not even a supporter of Nawaz. But truth is the Muslim League is definitely not a Punjabi nationalist party unlike the ANP, the PMAP, and the QWP which openly advocate Pakhtun nationalism and even changed the name of NWFP to Pakhtunkhwa to reflect their ethnic nationalism (at the expense of non-Pakhtun minorities in the province).
You have to look at the actual ideology of the party and then its no secret that ANP is a Pakhtun nationalist party.
If you go to ANP's wikipedia page, under ideology is written "Pakhtun nationalism" along with "Secularism"
Does the wikipedia page of PML(N) describe its ideology as "Punjabi nationalism"??

And I ask you what exactly is Punjabi nationalism? We Muslims of Punjab have historically disassciated ourselves from Punjabi identity. During the British time, we wrote our language as "Urdu" and not Punjabi, which infuriated the Sikhs. If we were Punjabi nationalist we would never have faught for Pakistan, because Pakistan was the worst nightmare for real Punjabi nationalists (Sikhs)

 

[ziaulislam]

Didn't NS used to say Jaag Punjabi Jaag in his early years? Couldn't that be Punjabi nationalism?

they say it even today

Anecdotal. I'm not even a supporter of Nawaz. But truth is the Muslim League is definitely not a Punjabi nationalist party unlike the ANP, the PMAP, and the QWP which openly advocate Pakhtun nationalism and even changed the name of NWFP to Pakhtunkhwa to reflect their ethnic nationalism (at the expense of non-Pakhtun minorities in the province).
You have to look at the actual ideology of the party and then its no secret that ANP is a Pakhtun nationalist party.
If you go to ANP's wikipedia page, under ideology is written "Pakhtun nationalism" along with "Secularism"
Does the wikipedia page of PML(N) describe its ideology as "Punjabi nationalism"??

And I ask you what exactly is Punjabi nationalism? We Muslims of Punjab have historically disassciated ourselves from Punjabi identity. During the British time, we wrote our language as "Urdu" and not Punjabi, which infuriated the Sikhs. If we were Punjabi nationalist we would never have faught for Pakistan, because Pakistan was the worst nightmare for real Punjabi nationalists (Sikhs)

eh? Sikhs..okay got it

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Anecdotal. I'm not even a supporter of Nawaz. But truth is the Muslim League is definitely not a Punjabi nationalist party unlike the ANP, the PMAP, and the QWP which openly advocate Pakhtun nationalism and even changed the name of NWFP to Pakhtunkhwa to reflect their ethnic nationalism (at the expense of non-Pakhtun minorities in the province).
You have to look at the actual ideology of the party and then its no secret that ANP is a Pakhtun nationalist party.
If you go to ANP's wikipedia page, under ideology is written "Pakhtun nationalism" along with "Secularism"
Does the wikipedia page of PML(N) describe its ideology as "Punjabi nationalism"??

And I ask you what exactly is Punjabi nationalism? We Muslims of Punjab have historically disassciated ourselves from Punjabi identity. During the British time, we wrote our language as "Urdu" and not Punjabi, which infuriated the Sikhs. If we were Punjabi nationalist we would never have faught for Pakistan, because Pakistan was the worst nightmare for real Punjabi nationalists (Sikhs)

I don't think they're Punjabi nationalist either. They're closer to Punjabi supremacists.

 

[Imran Khan]

I am full red blooded real Arain Punjabi. We never had bigotry for anyone in my family except for liars, cheaters, drunks.

arain se yaad aya

 

[lastofthepatriots]

arain se yaad aya

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Zibago]

lol, now support your claim with facts..
KPK..voted for imran khan and and ANP only took 4 posts..hell even the Punjabi PML N party got more votes

while Punjab always vote for PML N/ punjabi card and a person who is praising mujeeb ur rehman

i am waiting for your logical answer

Ignore him he is pen di siri supporter who wants a theocracy

 

[The-Hack]

Didn't NS used to say Jaag Punjabi Jaag in his early years? Couldn't that be Punjabi nationalism?

You know very well sir, that this was just a political stunt but nothing else

 

[Divergent]

Can’t everyone just act all equal?

 

[The-Hack]

Some Pashtuns are nationalist, some are Islamic, but a lot of them are traitors and leftists who support the khabees ANP and name their university after a traitor "Bacha" Khan

quote here a single Pakistani pashtun who involve in treason excluding SA

 

[Zulfiqar1919]

quote here a single Pakistani pashtun who involve in treason excluding SA

Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan
Khan Abdul Wali Khan

like father like son...both traitors
treacherous leftist scum. Anyone who celebrates them should have their citizenship revoked

 

[The-Hack]

Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan
Khan Abdul Wali Khan

like father like son...both traitors
treacherous leftist scum. Anyone who celebrates them should have their citizenship revoked

hahaha.............. oh man come on why you hate so much with Pashtuns
I am not asking you to mention here Afghan pashtuns
i asked you earlier that mention Pakistani pashtun

 

[Imran Khan]

Haters gonna hate.

6kg gosht freezer main rakh ke gandy se roti khan wali qaum

 

[TMA]

So-called Punjabi bigotry toward Pashtuns is not really a thing. The real problem is Pashtun nationalism. There is no such thing as Punjabi nationalism in Pakistan. So why can’t other ethnic groups especially Pashtuns cure themselves of the cancer of ethnic nationalism? Pashtuns complain of discrimination in Pakistan like the killing of Naqibullah Mehsud (an isolated incident – there are police killings everyday which don’t raise so much as an eyebrow), but what about Pashtun discrimination against non-Pashtuns in Afghanistan. Look how Ashraf Ghani, in order to accommodate Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, is dismissing non-Pashtun governors like a dictator and ethno-nationalist. Pashtuns cry racism in Pakistan while they treat non-Pashtuns like trash in Afghanistan. What a hypocrisy.

The truth is, Pashtuns are bitter about the fact that the majority of their people are now ruled from Rawalpindi. They can’t handle the fact that the Indic “daal-khors” rule over them. They can romanticize the past all they want and sing about their Durrani dynasty and their conquests of India. But right now, in the year 2018, the Pashtuns are losers, their people are divided by the Durand Line and the majority of them are ruled from Rawalpindi GHQ. Poetic justice.

Most Pukhtoons are happy to be "ruled from GHQ". It is only Afghan Pukhtoons who are bitter, bitter about the betrayal the Afghan king did...

aligraph is in india (there are other examples), you ignored my pint is that bacha khan completely accepted Pakistan and was great philanthropist no matter what his political affiliation were..
and bacha khan never wanted to join India(even though he formed govt with congress)..British told him to either join pakistan or india and he rejected both if he had decided to join india than i would label him as traitor

PML N is punjabi part, just like PPPP and MQM is sindhi and mahjir party and just like ANP is pushtoon party, they even start talking in punjabi when joking about PPPP...i can write a book on this
nawaz is traitor who
praises mujeeb ur rehman talks about breaking the country, this is never been done even by bacha khan

Slightly on a tangent, but a traitor ought to be someone who is NOT pro Pakistan, rather than someone who is not anti-Pakistan or pro-Bharat, especially if he is a politician.

I don't think they're Punjabi nationalist either. They're closer to Punjabi supremacists.

Is Nawaz, really an ethnic Kashmiri, pretty much half of North Punjab is Kashmiri now?

 

[Mian Babban]

Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan
Khan Abdul Wali Khan

like father like son...both traitors
treacherous leftist scum. Anyone who celebrates them should have their citizenship revoked

They are nationalists, so are you. Drop holier-than-thou attitude