How Do You Plan To Counter Phalcon Threat?

[MastanKhan]

1. India in the last year has already start linking all fighter aircrafts with Phalcon and it will be completed by early next year. This will act as a force multiplier.

2. India have already launched many spy satellites and is going to launch few more.

3. Su-30 mki also works as a mini awacs.

4. India is goint to launch 3 dedicated military communications satelite from this year.

5. The fibre optical smart cable networking is in progress, soon will be coimpleted.

So, as Air Chief has said India's strategy is to see 1st, see deeper, and act quickest.

So, by combinely using spy satellite, communication satellites, spy UAV's, Phalcon & Indian AWACS, safe & secure communications network Indian Air Force will be network centric. And These steps will act as force multiplier.

Hi,

That is indeed great news for india---but the truth is that pak has only to keep up 80% compatibility with most of indian equipment and need only 20 % to be somewhat compatible to keep india at bay.

Regardless of whatever preparation you do---in truth---you can never run away from your shadow---all these preparations look good on paper. They are a nice morale booster but at the end of the day, the equation gives out the same result.

To me---that is the most frustrating thing that the indians are facing at this time and for the last many years. With all their expenditure on war machinery, they have not been able to strangulate pak millitary.

A good example over here is USA and russia---the u s had been in economic boom for many decades---all kinds of investments in weapons systeme---russia on the other hand has been broke---some money and then broke again---but then again, russia is still even though russia is still far behind, it still has enough arsenal at hand to put out a very strong defence and offence.

 

[karan.1970]

Hi,

That is indeed great news for india---but the truth is that pak has only to keep up 80% compatibility with most of indian equipment and need only 20 % to be somewhat compatible to keep india at bay.

Regardless of whatever preparation you do---in truth---you can never run away from your shadow---all these preparations look good on paper. They are a nice morale booster but at the end of the day, the equation gives out the same result.

To me---that is the most frustrating thing that the indians are facing at this time and for the last many years. With all their expenditure on war machinery, they have not been able to strangulate pak millitary.

A good example over here is USA and russia---the u s had been in economic boom for many decades---all kinds of investments in weapons systeme---russia on the other hand has been broke---some money and then broke again---but then again, russia is still even though russia is still far behind, it still has enough arsenal at hand to put out a very strong defence and offence.

One assumption you are making here is that India wants to strangulate Pakistani Army...

Also, in your example, I think USA has easily met its strategic objective with respect to USSR..Only Complete annhiliation is not an indication of victory

 

[jagjitnatt]

Hi,

That is indeed great news for india---but the truth is that pak has only to keep up 80% compatibility with most of indian equipment and need only 20 % to be somewhat compatible to keep india at bay.

Regardless of whatever preparation you do---in truth---you can never run away from your shadow---all these preparations look good on paper. They are a nice morale booster but at the end of the day, the equation gives out the same result.

To me---that is the most frustrating thing that the indians are facing at this time and for the last many years. With all their expenditure on war machinery, they have not been able to strangulate pak millitary.

A good example over here is USA and russia---the u s had been in economic boom for many decades---all kinds of investments in weapons systeme---russia on the other hand has been broke---some money and then broke again---but then again, russia is still even though russia is still far behind, it still has enough arsenal at hand to put out a very strong defence and offence.

IAF will never strangulate PAF unless a war breaks out. And in a war every small lead helps. With the kind of technology being adopted, we are surpassing our own expectations.

In a war all these things would help India and their lack would be a problem for PAF. I am not saying it will be enough, but definitely would turn things in favor of India heavily.

 

[MastanKhan]

IAF will never strangulate PAF unless a war breaks out. And in a war every small lead helps. With the kind of technology being adopted, we are surpassing our own expectations.

In a war all these things would help India and their lack would be a problem for PAF. I am not saying it will be enough, but definitely would turn things in favor of India heavily.

Hi,

If that is what makes you happy---I don't have any problems with that.

You maybe surpassing your expectations---because you can make it a self belief issue---but you are not surpassing our expectation. We were expecting far worse, but at the end of the day, you are not too far ahead.

 

[Kinshuk]

Well I agree with Sir Mastan here.

Though India is ahead of Pakistan but a sanguinary war would burn both the countries to ashes. Though I believe India is in a little better position to fight a long war and contain it.

 

[Isaq Khan]

Hi,

That is indeed great news for india---but the truth is that pak has only to keep up 80% compatibility with most of indian equipment and need only 20 % to be somewhat compatible to keep india at bay.

Regardless of whatever preparation you do---in truth---you can never run away from your shadow---all these preparations look good on paper. They are a nice morale booster but at the end of the day, the equation gives out the same result.

To me---that is the most frustrating thing that the indians are facing at this time and for the last many years. With all their expenditure on war machinery, they have not been able to strangulate pak millitary.

A good example over here is USA and russia---the u s had been in economic boom for many decades---all kinds of investments in weapons systeme---russia on the other hand has been broke---some money and then broke again---but then again, russia is still even though russia is still far behind, it still has enough arsenal at hand to put out a very strong defence and offence.

But, why u think we are doing this for pak?

We have got China to be taken care of.

Our leadership is maturing to get out of pak centric approch and as we came out of this trap and set our higher goals we can taken care of every situation arises in the future.

As about Pak we can very well control it through covert actions and smart diplomacy. For example recent Saudi Arab tour. Because the direct confrontation will be wastage of resources, energy and falling into trap.

 

[MastanKhan]

As about Pak we can very well control it through covert actions and smart diplomacy. For example recent Saudi Arab tour. Because the direct confrontation will be wastage of resources, energy and falling into trap.

Hi,

Covert actions only work for so long---they have already peaked out and again india has not gained much out of it---actually nothing except for some more bad blood between the two.

Actually, in covert actions we will succeed more---because you have more to lose---once this afghan issue is over, you are extremely vulnerable to our covert action---we can target southern india---bangalore etc---all your computer related centers---you are going to lose big time and that will end up in full fledged war---.

You want to be wealthy and well off---then find a way for peace with pakistan---afghanistan is not forever---there is life after afghanistan---pak can take insurgency to any level it wants to once the threat of american forces is neutralized from afg---.

The best time for peace is now---make peace and move ahead with life---otherwise it is a losers game for both.

I don't want to get into the issues of past and the grudge about past---that won't be productive.

 

[MastanKhan]

Well I agree with Sir Mastan here.

Though India is ahead of Pakistan but a sanguinary war would burn both the countries to ashes. Though I believe India is in a little better position to fight a long war and contain it.

Hi,

Thankyou---that is why I keep repeating---we are your shadow---you cannot run away from us---only time we will disappear will be when you are in utter darkness---we don't want that for both of our sakes and our childrens sake and for the sake of the rest of the world.

Learn to live with us---we are ready to learn to live with you---in the long run, it is a win win situation for both of us.

One day we would be sitting together and thinking out aloud about the past and say----how stupid were we to waste that much time and resource.

 

[Luftwaffe]

karan.1970..isn't war and win about self-victory and inhalation of enemy? or is it about mine is bigger than yours?

 

[Kinshuk]

Hi,

Thankyou---that is why I keep repeating---we are your shadow---you cannot run away from us---only time we will disappear will be when you are in utter darkness---we don't want that for both of our sakes and our childrens sake and for the sake of the rest of the world.

Learn to live with us---we are ready to learn to live with you---in the long run, it is a win win situation for both of us.

One day we would be sitting together and thinking out aloud about the past and say----how stupid were we to waste that much time and resource.

I think it is not the general public that should be blamed for all the Vendetta. It is the government which has failed to lesson the gap between the two countries (I am not generalising it, but still a lot could be done, but that has been ignored from time to time). We have never been given much chances to know each other. And if at all once in a blue moon govt tries to do something, there is a third religion comes in between, i.e. terrorism. And India generalise them as Pakistanis and Pakistan as Indians. I was not an expection before i came accross a few Pakistani. I have experienced that Pakistanis and Indians are living in harmony all over the world. When I was in Boston, I shared the same experience. It is only possible when we are interested to know each other, but we have been bought up to hate each other. Whom should be blamed?

 

[Windjammer]

People, you are missing the grey areas,
Whenever American carriers set sail, they are escorted and protected by perhaps a dozen other ships, can the developing Asian neighbours afford such luxuries and more over do they have the capability to protect such a juicy flotilla, similarly America could afford to send in it's giant B-1 Bombers as it had the capability to blind and suppress the Iraqi defenses. No such joy for India and Pakistan to utilize their giant AWACS to full potential. In present scenario, the only option available is to operate well within own borders under SAM protection.

 

[sancho]

Actually, in covert actions we will succeed more---because you have more to lose---once this afghan issue is over, you are extremely vulnerable to our covert action---we can target southern india---bangalore etc---all your computer related centers---you are going to lose big time and that will end up in full fledged war---.

You want to be wealthy and well off---then find a way for peace with pakistan---afghanistan is not forever---there is life after afghanistan---pak can take insurgency to any level it wants to once the threat of american forces is neutralized from afg---.

The best time for peace is now---make peace and move ahead with life---otherwise it is a losers game for both.

Your post is pretty contrary don't you think? On the one side you openly threaten Indias security and on the other you want India to make peace. Both sides must want peace, otherwise peace is not possible!

As Isaq Khan said, one of the main problems is, that any move of India is seen as a threat of Pakistan and there must be a rapid reaction to it. Just look at the names of the threads here and you will understand it (JF 17 vs MKI, how to counter Phalcon AWACS, PAFs answer to MMRCA...). But if you take a neutral look at the new procurements of Indian forces, you will understand that most of it has very less to do with Pakistan!

There is simply no need for India to build 3-5 carriers for a hypothetical war against Pakistan, just like SSN, SSBN, air launched Brahmos, long range balistic missiles, FGFA, P8I, or even MMRCA are not needed for that.
All these are just aimed as a counterweight against China and their moves in Tibet (new infrastructure, airfields and missiles towards India), the costal area around India (new ports in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Myanmar) and of course their numerical advantage in the air force, army and navy.
Pakistans forces has only a minor importance for the procurement strategy, because China is the much bigger threat now and India is just taking the necessary steps to build an effective detrrence against them.

 

[Babur Han]

A possibibility to counter the Threat from Phalcon AWACS System, could be a possible procurment of Aselsan Electronic Attack System from Turkey. The Turkish Air Force seek a Stand - Off Jamming Platform, 4 Buisness Jets porbably Bombardier Glabal Express or Gulfstream G-550 should be aquired and get equipt with Aselsan Electronic Attack System.

This System can jamm enemy Comunication, Radars and AWACS.

http://www2.ssm.gov.tr/katalog2007/data/038/urun%20ing/ASELSAN ingilizce/JAMINT 4/1.htm
http://www2.ssm.gov.tr/katalog2007/data/038/urun ing/ASELSAN ingilizce/JAMINT 3A/1.htm
http://www2.ssm.gov.tr/katalog2007/data/038/urun ing/ASELSAN ingilizce/DFINT 3A2-3T2/1.htm

 

[TaimiKhan]

But, why u think we are doing this for pak?

We have got China to be taken care of.

Our leadership is maturing to get out of pak centric approch and as we came out of this trap and set our higher goals we can taken care of every situation arises in the future.

As about Pak we can very well control it through covert actions and smart diplomacy. For example recent Saudi Arab tour. Because the direct confrontation will be wastage of resources, energy and falling into trap.

Well Mastan Sir, gave a very good reply to your post, just to add further, whatever diplomacy so far India has used, it has failed miserably and Indian got very little of what it had hoped for, that is why they have run to the Saudis now as a last resort.

And as for Saudis, well if we can counter the extreme US pressure, we sure hell can counter the Saudis, especially when their nuclear umbrella is dependent on us.

So don't feel so happy that your PM went to SA and Saudis showed some hospitality or gave a statement, it will bring down Pakistan.

Plus, why a dormant thread since 2005 got activated ?? Hasn't PAF taken steps to counter Indian Phalcon already ??

 

[Kinshuk]

Please close the thread..