How China Is Humiliating Pakistan - nationalinterest.org

[Haris Ali2140]

I hope there will be less hate towards OP for posting and more discussion towards the writers accusations.

Search Michael Rubin and his articles.

 

[Kompromat]

Author is an idiot.

 

[doorstar]

Author is an idiot.

he is no idiot unless you mean this rhetorically. he is a top Pakistan-hater. he along with many others has been trying to get Iran and Bharat to team-up to invade Pakistan, since that failed last year he is now saying that USA should fight in Pakistan instead of in Afghanistan.

 

[R Wing]

There is no doubt that west, in particular US has been causing problems for Muslim countries for long. But their democratic setup makes them accountable and however inefficient, ultimately the voices are heard and usually from within. Thats not the case with China.


Obviously, a click bait title, but the irony he presents is real.

This is the brilliant facade they've created.

A lot of stuff done by JSOC and/or CIA and therefore classified isn't even subject to congressional or any other sort of "democratic" oversight. They make a big deal/scandal out of it --- such as the torture conveniently labeled "enhanced interrogation," etc. --- capturing the imagination and hopes of the common citizen, yet everything goes on exactly as before. The current Director of the CIA was involved with torture herself! They invaded Iraq on a bunch of lies --- again, a bunch of outcry but nothing concrete happens. Are certain leaders in jail for war crimes / crimes against humanity? Never! And let's not begin about bugging the entire world, including their own citizens. But of course other countries must respect citizen privacy and freedom of expression... LOL.

So, I think the US is just as unaccountable as China --- in fact, as the most powerful nation on Earth, the US is less accountable as external forces can't influence it much.

No State is an angel and each has its own interests in the end, but the US has been far more manipulative, engaging in wars on different continents and being obsessive about 'regime change' that almost always leads to civil war-like violence.

So, The National Interest definitely does have a pro-American slant --- but the bigger point is that, all things considered, the US is much more manipulative. The author conveniently brushes over all the military tech, secure comms and other things that China develops with us or gives us access to. Under the author's definition, pretty much ANY relationship between a stronger, larger State and a smaller, weaker State is "humiliation." What a bunch of BS.

Peace.

 

[gangsta_rap]

I hope there will be less hate towards OP for posting and more discussion towards the writers accusations.

2 months more and then bye bye jackass. keep up with the underhand trolling and we might see you gone sooner instead

 

[That Guy]

Now you'd be bombarded with posts that "nationalinterest" is a propaganda piece

It's less propaganda, and more a bias source. National interest is a right wing american nationalist media outlet, with a more blog style format than being a legitimate outlet of news.

However, I don't really care about that. My problem is that Rubin is clearly reading too much into things. He needs to relax, before he makes the same mistakes he's made in regards to the Arab spring, india, and afghanistan.

 

[Morpheus]

The most worthless website ever. Every article is about pro USA bs, and anti China. The website must be desperate, and used such an article to attract gangus audience. And it worked.

The article lacks any backing, going on conjecture, and on top of that, doesn't seem to know what is happening in real world. Question should be, why has USA humiliation of Muslims worldwide lead to Muslims countries going to China.

 

[pakpride00090]

Guys get one thing straight.

US has officially declared CHINA as number one enemy. Every tom dick and harry from the west will write against China and since CPEC is because of China , Pakistan will also get the bashing.

Also , these threads opened by Indians should be closed and deleted. These piss drinkers are should be nobody to even discuss these matters. They have elected the butcher of Gujrat as their PM. They have anti-Muslim and Anti -Kashmir / Anti-Muslim agenda.

Also this guy bleed is a known islamaphobe , I know his twitter handle.He acts all calm and coherent type but he isn't really.

 

[doorstar]

The most worthless website ever. Every article is about pro USA bs, and anti China. The website must be desperate, and used such an article to attract gangus audience. And it worked.

The article lacks any backing, going on conjecture, and on top of that, doesn't seem to know what is happening in real world. Question should be, why has USA humiliation of Muslims worldwide lead to Muslims countries going to China.

it is an opinion making site, facts don't come into it. authors are of the same caliber/class as christine fair, all highly educated and trained in the art of propaganda

 

[Maarkhoor]

Pakistan sees itself as a major regional power but recent events show that Beijing considers Pakistan little more than a subordinate colony to be exploited but not heard.

by Michael Rubin

Inside Pakistan, India is an obsession. Communal violence surrounding the 1947 partition of India claimed up to two million lives. India and Pakistan subsequently fought three wars: In 1965, when India retaliated for Pakistani efforts to infiltrate forces into Jammu and Kashmir, in 1971 against the backdrop of the Bangladeshi War of Independence, and again in 1999, when Indian forces pushed back against a Pakistani offensive in Kargil, along the line-of-control. As the late Princeton historian Bernard Lewis pointed out, if scholars embraced the same definition of “refugee” that the United Nations applies to Palestinians who have been displaced by Israel, then South Asia would be home to more than two hundred million refugees. Tensions remain evident across the country. In 2000, in Peshawar, a mockup of a Pakistani nuclear missile stood in the midst of a traffic circle with the slogan “I’d love to enter India” written underneath it. In the Pakistani capital of Islamabad today, giant billboard clocks mark the time since India imposed a curfew on Kashmir.


There is no shortage of anti-Indian animus within Pakistan but in recent months it has been China which has humiliated Pakistan in a manner which India never could. Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the long-time leader of the All-India Muslim League and the founding father of Pakistan, conceived the new country as a land for the Muslims. Because Pakistan based its legitimacy more on religion than on ethnicity, it really is the first Islamic state of the modern era.

Pakistanis have historically been at the forefront of advocacy and action against the oppression of Muslims, real or imagined. This is what guided Pakistan to oppose Soviet designs on Afghanistan. Pakistan is among the most anti-Israel and anti-Semitic countries on earth. The Pakistani press regularly covers the plight of Myanmar’s persecuted Rohingya Muslims. Pakistani charities work in Chechnya. There is no shortage of the terrorist groups Pakistan sponsors who target India and are motivated more by religion than nationalism. And, yet, when it comes to China’s incarceration of more than a million Uighur Muslims—solely because they are Muslim—Pakistani prime minister Imran Khan has been silent on one hand and on the other he has both defended China’s repression of its Muslims and persecuted for China the Uighurs in Pakistan.

Sister city twinning is a common diplomatic practice in order to advance tourism and ties between the world’s major cities. China and Pakistan have taken this to a new level with provincial twining. Recently, Pakistan’s mission in Beijing gave a draft memorandum of understanding to the Chinese foreign ministry in order to establish sister province relations between Xinjiang and Gilgit-Baltistan. Not only, therefore, is Khan cowed by Chinese pressure to the point that he must turn a blind eye to the greatest repression of Muslims in the twenty-first century but he now seeks to honor the Chinese province that is at the epicenter of Chinese anti-Muslim repression. Even if Khan is motivated by the implied threat to treat the people of the disputed Gilgit-Baltistan region like China treats the Xinjiang, that does not paper over the implied endorsement of Beijing’s Islamophobic leadership.

The coronavirus abandonment of Pakistani students in Wuhan further humiliates Pakistan. Almost every other country—including India—has evacuated its citizens from the coronavirus epicenter. While Imran Khan spends a great deal on himself, his foreign travel, and the military, he has left Pakistan’s public health infrastructure a shamble. Khan knows that corruption and disorganization mean that medical quarantine will not work in Pakistan, which is why he seeks to keep those potentially infected abroad. China, meanwhile, cares little for the Pakistanis who remain within its territory. To be Pakistani in the age of Imran Khan means to suffer in silence at the back of the line.

Pakistan’s anti-Americanism greased its turn toward China. China, meanwhile, built for Pakistan highways and a port. Pakistan allowed itself to believe that it had become the crown jewel of China’s belt-and-road policy. Now, reality should set in: Rather than preserve Pakistan’s independence and dignity by playing Beijing and Washington off-each other, successive Pakistani governments have fallen so far under China’s grasp that Pakistan is powerless to stand up for its citizens—let alone Muslims. Pakistan sees itself as a major regional power but recent events show that Beijing considers Pakistan little more than a subordinate colony to be exploited but not heard.

Michael Rubin is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, where he researches Arab politics, the Gulf Cooperation Council, Iran, Iraq, the Kurds, terrorism, and Turkey. He concurrently teaches classes on terrorism for the FBI and on security, politics, religion, and history for U.S. and NATO military units.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-china-humiliating-pakistan-126101

@Dubious @Horus @WebMaster

Check the source and the propaganda....


Ban the thread and the O.P as well.

Author is an idiot.

Then why not you close or delete this thread?
Forum is not meant to entertain idiots....

 

[doorstar]

Ban the thread

lock it or delete it? if you mean delete then all the posts countering it will also vanish. if you mean lock then we might miss out on someone who could come up with a better counter-argument than posted thus far. over all this here thread looks very pro-Pak now and also servers to inform the membership about Dr. Rubin's character (and BL33D the op's motives)

 

[BL33D]

@Dubious @Horus @WebMaster

Check the source and the propaganda....


Ban the thread and the O.P as well.


Then why not you close or delete this thread?
Forum is not meant to entertain idiots....

Just becoz I posted the article from a source which has been used several times here. Also I asked @The Eagle
to ascertain if its okay with the rules. If not he will delete it.

lock it or delete it? if you mean delete then all the posts countering it will also vanish. if you mean lock then we might miss out on someone who could come up with a better counter-argument than posted thus far. over all this here thread looks very pro-Pak now and also servers to inform the membership about Dr. Rubin's character (and BL33D the op's motives)

There is no motive here. Posting one negative article is not going to affect anything. Pak-China relationship is well tested.

 

[IceCold]

Pakistan sees itself as a major regional power but recent events show that Beijing considers Pakistan little more than a subordinate colony to be exploited but not heard.

The article that starts with this and than this:

Inside Pakistan, India is an obsession.

Isnt worth anything to comment on. The author has shown its biased right from the start.

 

[PradoTLC]

Pakistan sees itself as a major regional power but recent events show that Beijing considers Pakistan little more than a subordinate colony to be exploited but not heard.

by Michael Rubin

Inside Pakistan, India is an obsession. Communal violence surrounding the 1947 partition of India claimed up to two million lives. India and Pakistan subsequently fought three wars: In 1965, when India retaliated for Pakistani efforts to infiltrate forces into Jammu and Kashmir, in 1971 against the backdrop of the Bangladeshi War of Independence, and again in 1999, when Indian forces pushed back against a Pakistani offensive in Kargil, along the line-of-control. As the late Princeton historian Bernard Lewis pointed out, if scholars embraced the same definition of “refugee” that the United Nations applies to Palestinians who have been displaced by Israel, then South Asia would be home to more than two hundred million refugees. Tensions remain evident across the country. In 2000, in Peshawar, a mockup of a Pakistani nuclear missile stood in the midst of a traffic circle with the slogan “I’d love to enter India” written underneath it. In the Pakistani capital of Islamabad today, giant billboard clocks mark the time since India imposed a curfew on Kashmir.


There is no shortage of anti-Indian animus within Pakistan but in recent months it has been China which has humiliated Pakistan in a manner which India never could. Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the long-time leader of the All-India Muslim League and the founding father of Pakistan, conceived the new country as a land for the Muslims. Because Pakistan based its legitimacy more on religion than on ethnicity, it really is the first Islamic state of the modern era.

Pakistanis have historically been at the forefront of advocacy and action against the oppression of Muslims, real or imagined. This is what guided Pakistan to oppose Soviet designs on Afghanistan. Pakistan is among the most anti-Israel and anti-Semitic countries on earth. The Pakistani press regularly covers the plight of Myanmar’s persecuted Rohingya Muslims. Pakistani charities work in Chechnya. There is no shortage of the terrorist groups Pakistan sponsors who target India and are motivated more by religion than nationalism. And, yet, when it comes to China’s incarceration of more than a million Uighur Muslims—solely because they are Muslim—Pakistani prime minister Imran Khan has been silent on one hand and on the other he has both defended China’s repression of its Muslims and persecuted for China the Uighurs in Pakistan.

Sister city twinning is a common diplomatic practice in order to advance tourism and ties between the world’s major cities. China and Pakistan have taken this to a new level with provincial twining. Recently, Pakistan’s mission in Beijing gave a draft memorandum of understanding to the Chinese foreign ministry in order to establish sister province relations between Xinjiang and Gilgit-Baltistan. Not only, therefore, is Khan cowed by Chinese pressure to the point that he must turn a blind eye to the greatest repression of Muslims in the twenty-first century but he now seeks to honor the Chinese province that is at the epicenter of Chinese anti-Muslim repression. Even if Khan is motivated by the implied threat to treat the people of the disputed Gilgit-Baltistan region like China treats the Xinjiang, that does not paper over the implied endorsement of Beijing’s Islamophobic leadership.

The coronavirus abandonment of Pakistani students in Wuhan further humiliates Pakistan. Almost every other country—including India—has evacuated its citizens from the coronavirus epicenter. While Imran Khan spends a great deal on himself, his foreign travel, and the military, he has left Pakistan’s public health infrastructure a shamble. Khan knows that corruption and disorganization mean that medical quarantine will not work in Pakistan, which is why he seeks to keep those potentially infected abroad. China, meanwhile, cares little for the Pakistanis who remain within its territory. To be Pakistani in the age of Imran Khan means to suffer in silence at the back of the line.

Pakistan’s anti-Americanism greased its turn toward China. China, meanwhile, built for Pakistan highways and a port. Pakistan allowed itself to believe that it had become the crown jewel of China’s belt-and-road policy. Now, reality should set in: Rather than preserve Pakistan’s independence and dignity by playing Beijing and Washington off-each other, successive Pakistani governments have fallen so far under China’s grasp that Pakistan is powerless to stand up for its citizens—let alone Muslims. Pakistan sees itself as a major regional power but recent events show that Beijing considers Pakistan little more than a subordinate colony to be exploited but not heard.

Michael Rubin is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, where he researches Arab politics, the Gulf Cooperation Council, Iran, Iraq, the Kurds, terrorism, and Turkey. He concurrently teaches classes on terrorism for the FBI and on security, politics, religion, and history for U.S. and NATO military units.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-china-humiliating-pakistan-126101

the moment he said india is a obession it clearly proves the author had a bug up his arse about Pakistan...

FYI Pakistan is only obsessed about Kashmir... the rest of india can go to hell

Be glad they are gonna get out of Afghanistan. US invading muslim countries is as much fault of other muslim nations as US itself. In every case, some muslim countries have stood with US in its endeavors.

really?... like WMD in Iraq?.....

There is no shortage of anti-Indian animus within Pakistan but in recent months it has been China which has humiliated Pakistan in a manner which India never could.

muhahhahahhaha ... is this guy on drugs or something???

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

after 2 lines of reading i knew who (indian) posted and west wrote it..
There is no indian obsession in Pakistan. its in india and their major election is based on Pakistan bashing. writer doesnt know what is he saying.
if any one knows China they sud know that china's policy is not aggressive they havent control any land by force if they wanted they cud not return to india after they humiliate india in 1962. or why not Taiwan first..
we as Pakistanies think China our best friend and others as good friend but we also dont hate indian except when indian tries to hit us on our blind side like 1965 1971 kashmir kargil FTFA recently.
india is cheap enemy and untrustable friend.