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LONDON—On Thursday, Boris Johnson delivered the most chilling warning from a British prime minister since Winston Churchill prepared the country for potential destruction during World War Two. “I must level with you,” Johnson said, looking like a man who had just emerged from a doctor’s office after receiving a terrible diagnosis. “Many more families are going to lose loved ones before their time.”

His message was stark, and somehow seemed to hit even harder coming from a man who has built his political career on flippant clownery. The novel coronavirus can no longer be contained in the United Kingdom, he said, and all that can be done now is to mitigate the worst effects of it to give the doctors and nurses in the country’s already creaking national health service a fighting chance to save as many lives as possible.

But the strict containment measures now familiar around the planet—population lockdowns, prohibition of mass gatherings, and travel bans—were notable only by their absences. Johnson’s government has diverged with the rest of the world and decided to take a much less draconian approach, and his scientific advisers have admitted the strategy could see as much as 60 percent of the population catch the coronavirus.

In point of fact, Britain is effectively encouraging a potentially deadly virus to spread to the majority of the people who live here. Remember, the U.K. is one of the only European countries which is still allowed to send flights to the United States under President Donald Trump’s travel ban. That will change, however, come Monday night when a travel ban on the U.K. and Ireland will kick in, according to a Saturday announcement by Vice President Mike Pence.

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The logic goes like this: if a large section of the population is exposed to the coronavirus now, it will likely help people develop a level of immunity, and then Britain will be in the best possible position to defend itself from a much worse outbreak of the virus in the future. The strategy reportedly has been shaped by the history of the deadly Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918, which saw a second, much larger spike in deaths months after the first outbreak.

Sir Patrick Vallance, England’s chief scientific adviser, said the government was looking “to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission.” The strategy is based on science—but the entire British population is now effectively taking part in a mass untested experiment, and one which could result in the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

Sixty percent of the British population is just under 40 million people. Even if Britain experiences a low mortality rate from the virus, that would lead to an expected 300,000 deaths. If the mortality rate is higher, such as in Italy, it’s not unthinkable that the number of deaths rises over a million.

While the strategy has its supporters in the scientific community, many have reacted with sheer horror. Anthony Costello, a pediatrician and former World Health Organization director, wrote that it’s not even clear yet that catching the coronavirus will result in immunity. Costello urged the U.K. to change course, asking: “Is it ethical to adopt a policy that threatens immediate casualties on the basis of an uncertain future benefit?”

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the current director-general of the World Health Organization, has also urged countries to continue with containment measures. “The idea that countries should shift from containment to mitigation is wrong and dangerous,” he said. “We urge all countries to take a comprehensive approach tailored to their circumstances—with containment as the central pillar.”

Other scientists have said Johnson appears to have missed the point when it comes to containment, saying that if the spread of the disease is delayed for enough time, an effective therapy or treatment could be developed and make the virus much easier to defeat, without risking as many lives.

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Johnson’s gamble also has been questioned by his political allies. Jeremy Hunt, the former health secretary who remains a high-profile lawmaker in Johnson’s own Conservative party, described the prime minister’s approach as “surprising and concerning” and warned that it could lead to Britain’s outbreak becoming worse than Italy’s within a matter of weeks.

And it’s not just British lives at risk from the strategy. Flights from Britain were, mystifyingly, still free to cross the pond to the U.S. despite Trump’s decision to ban journeys from the rest of Europe. Trump previously said he decided to exclude the U.K. because it was “doing a good job” on battling the virus, but admitted Friday that he now may have to add it to the list. On Saturday, he included the U.K. in the ban.

Following days of criticism, Johnson has indicated that he may tweak his strategy. His government has banned hundreds of local elections and the London mayoral election for a year, and British media reported Friday night that mass gatherings could be banned from next weekend.

But these tentative moves come as governments around the world declare emergencies, close borders, shut schools, impose strict entry and quarantine requirements, and carry out mass testing on their populations.

Johnson has chosen a wildly different course from governments around the world. The question now is if his mass experiment will define his legacy as an ingenious pioneer, or as the mad professor who foolishly gambled with the lives of millions.

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This looks likely to change as new measures short of Italy-style lock-down are likely to be announced next week.

UK population and companies are already self-isolating to some degree and hand-washing with soap has already been advised by the government.
 
Luckily Britain healthcare is free will help contain it poor /working class have no worries in being treated if contracted .
 
It is a gamble. Herd immunity is the correct final objective to aim for, however UK should actually be buying time to expand the intensive care infrastructure and intensive care capacity here. Reassignment of CT scanners and some additional scanners would help too. Obviously we missed the window of opportunity last month to do all this because Boris Johnson is not a natural crisis leader. He's lazy and apathic. When China was in this phase in Jan/Feb, they built hospitals and reallocated national resources. Hence China is coping.

Now if UK wants to buy time for this, lockdown is actually the best approach. This will slow spread and slow admissions to Intensive care. So I really don't get why we're not already locked down.

The whole herd immunity endpoint will happen one way or another. It's madness to try and enforce quicker attainment of that endpoint when there simply aren't the resources on standby to handle more infections because of a non-lockdown situation.

Doesn't help that the nhs is already in crisis.
 
It is a gamble. Herd immunity is the correct final objective to aim for, however UK should actually be buying time to expand the intensive care infrastructure and intensive care capacity here. Reassignment of CT scanners and some additional scanners would help too. Obviously we missed the window of opportunity last month to do all this because Boris Johnson is not a natural crisis leader. He's lazy and apathic. When China was in this phase in Jan/Feb, they built hospitals and reallocated national resources. Hence China is coping.

Now if UK wants to buy time for this, lockdown is actually the best approach. This will slow spread and slow admissions to Intensive care. So I really don't get why we're not already locked down.

The whole herd immunity endpoint will happen one way or another. It's madness to try and enforce quicker attainment of that endpoint when there simply aren't the resources on standby to handle more infections because of a non-lockdown situation.

Doesn't help that the nhs is already in crisis.


Actually I am optimistic that UK may escape what happened in Italy and is happening in Spain now for the following 2 reasons:

1. Italy has a region in the north of the country where 60% of cases have been reported and people from this region were infecting each other and people in other regions. UK cases seem to be randomly spread over the country.

2. UK public and companies are already self-isolating to a large degree. Look at home working being enforced by some employers and public staying away from large gatherings.

Finally Boris Johnson gets it and has put UK industry on war footing and will next week announce measures advising over 70s to self-isolate for up to 4 months.

As long as the social distancing is quickly expedited and thousands of ventilators are pumped out by industry over the coming months, UK may escape what happened in China and is happening now in Italy.
 
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It is a gamble. Herd immunity is the correct final objective to aim for, however UK should actually be buying time to expand the intensive care infrastructure and intensive care capacity here. Reassignment of CT scanners and some additional scanners would help too. Obviously we missed the window of opportunity last month to do all this because Boris Johnson is not a natural crisis leader. He's lazy and apathic. When China was in this phase in Jan/Feb, they built hospitals and reallocated national resources. Hence China is coping.

Now if UK wants to buy time for this, lockdown is actually the best approach. This will slow spread and slow admissions to Intensive care. So I really don't get why we're not already locked down.

The whole herd immunity endpoint will happen one way or another. It's madness to try and enforce quicker attainment of that endpoint when there simply aren't the resources on standby to handle more infections because of a non-lockdown situation.

Doesn't help that the nhs is already in crisis.

IMO, it's madness to rely on herd immunity without knowing it will work. People in the UK are being turned into lab rats. What's worse is that when it becomes clear UK is unable to contain it, people will flee across the EU and this disease spreads all over again. Then of course, there are those relying on summer to save them from the flu. It's summer in Australia, and they have over a hundred cases.
 
Actually I am optimistic that UK may escape what happened in Italy and is happening in Spain now for the following 2 reasons:

1. Italy has a region in the north of the country where 60% of cases have been reported and people from this region were infecting each other and people in other regions. UK cases seem to be randomly spread over the country.

2. UK public and companies are already self-isolating to a large degree. Look at home working being enforced by some employers and public staying away from large gatherings.

Finally Boris Johnson gets it and has put UK industry on war footing and will next week announce measures advising over 70s to self-isolate for up to 4 months.

As long as the social distancing is quickly expedited and thousands of ventilators are pumped put by industry over the coming months, UK may escape what happened in China and is happening now in Italy.
All the more reason to institute the lockdown now. If there is an opportunity to mitigate damage, it is rapidly going to dissipate.
 
This looks likely to change as new measures short of Italy-style lock-down are likely to be announced next week.

UK population and companies are already self-isolating to some degree and hand-washing with soap has already been advised by the government.

really !? some one should give them a medal for saying this to public ...

maybe they have the cure ...
 
IMO, it's madness to rely on herd immunity without knowing it will work. People in the UK are being turned into lab rats. What's worse is that when it becomes clear UK is unable to contain it, people will flee across the EU and this disease spreads all over again. Then of course, there are those relying on summer to save them from the flu. It's summer in Australia, and they have over a hundred cases.
Apart from herd immunity, vaccination is the only real possible method of ending the crisis. Not sure where we stand there.
 
All the more reason to institute the lockdown now. If there is an opportunity to mitigate damage, it is rapidly going to dissipate.


I believe that apart from over 70s being advised to self-isolate for 4 months from next week, the Easter school closure will be 4 weeks rather than 2 this year.

Yesterday after thinking long and hard I went to my local gym and they had signs all over the place about Coronavirus. Hand Sanitiser was available at reception and everyone was cleaning down equipment after use.
Air conditioning was put on full blast as that is effective in killing germs.

UK companies and public will drag the government down to something less than total lockdown which hopefully should suffice.
 
Maybe UK should take a page out of the Iranian handbook - tell people to visit "holy sites" that will heal everyone of Corona. That seems to have worked out really well for Iran.
 
This looks likely to change as new measures short of Italy-style lock-down are likely to be announced next week.

UK population and companies are already self-isolating to some degree and hand-washing with soap has already been advised by the government.
This is basically a do nothing, let it spread and cull the weak and old approach. This is only done when they have no other way of solving this shit. They are purposely postponing testing to avoid panic and reduce NHS load. If we tried this in China, the West would be bashing us now.
 
This is basically a do nothing, let it spread and cull the weak and old approach. This is only done when they have no other way of solving this shit. They are purposely postponing testing to avoid panic and reduce NHS load. If we tried this in China, the West would be bashing us now.


No it is about striking the right balance.

Remember that this virus has not been eliminated in China and once you allow people total freedom again it will come back with a vengeance. Look at the cost to your economy so far.

UK is hoping to minimise the cost to economy while keeping people safe. It wants to delay the spread of disease as much as possible so that the health infrastructure can cope. There is massive social distancing going on on the part of public and companies and people are using soap to wash their hands regularly now.

Germany may have a vaccine and so if the world can get through spring and summer then it can be beaten for good next winter.
 
It is a gamble. Herd immunity is the correct final objective to aim for, however UK should actually be buying time to expand the intensive care infrastructure and intensive care capacity here. Reassignment of CT scanners and some additional scanners would help too. Obviously we missed the window of opportunity last month to do all this because Boris Johnson is not a natural crisis leader. He's lazy and apathic. When China was in this phase in Jan/Feb, they built hospitals and reallocated national resources. Hence China is coping.

Now if UK wants to buy time for this, lockdown is actually the best approach. This will slow spread and slow admissions to Intensive care. So I really don't get why we're not already locked down.

The whole herd immunity endpoint will happen one way or another. It's madness to try and enforce quicker attainment of that endpoint when there simply aren't the resources on standby to handle more infections because of a non-lockdown situation.

Doesn't help that the nhs is already in crisis.
You clearly skimmed over the part where it said herd immunity is not certain and a second wave of infections could occur.
 
You clearly skimmed over the part where it said herd immunity is not certain and a second wave of infections could occur.
Well if herd immunity or a good vaccine don't occur later this year, we're all in trouble. Likewise, if it mutates we will get a second wave anyway.

I actually really hope herd immunity occurs. My problem is with how it's being attempted - without the correct mobilisation to deal with the inevitable respiratory failures that will need intensive care. Governments can't openly state "we're pushing for herd immunity" because then they're admitting that they will willingly let people get infected (as this is how herd immunity occurs). You will note that officially the UK gov is denying that they're interested in herd immunity. They state some obscure "protect the elderly" justification for their measures, which is sanitised bullcrap for public consumption.
 
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