How Asia-Pacific Publics See Each Other and Their National Leaders

[Indos]

Can you explain why Indonesia only have 42% positive views of South Korea? I can understand why China and Japan have low views of South Korea, but why Indonesia?

@madokafc

South Korea is always one of the top favorite among military fan boy like us.....

I believe South Korea is viewed very well also among knowledgeable Indonesian.

 

[arbit]

We don't require your trust though. It is to your best interest to drop the conflict, not ours. We don't care either way. And no, we don't want Japan to rub its nose in the dirt. A sincere "sorry" is sufficient.

Its in everybody's interest to drop the conflict, not just India. You make it sound like China will just waltz out of this one unscathed!

I mean, i get it that you got money and some toys, but cockiness got to have some limits bro! U can mess with Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, and with US no less. Now you are hell bent on alienating one country next door which can be a powerful partner in ensuring a multipolar world.

Good. I'm glad that is clarified.

Take care , Arbit. See you around the forum.

Sure

India doesn't have to be jealous of any country. I think its important to consider national development to domestic context and to consider also the societal issues that defines each country's developmental praxis uniquely its own. India is no China and unlike China, India is a representative, participatory democracy. While democracy is not perfect, it has and caries with it certain limitations and that is definitely more extrapolated in larger nations; the Republic of India, the largest democracy in the world, is an epitome of this -- being over 1.2 billion strong -- has to account for the unique limitations and strengths of maintaining a large bureaucracy. Lastly, India has definite limitations and hurdles before her, but I believe these can be overcome through the Indian methodology of managment and diplomacy. I reiterate, again, the need for us to consider domestic situations from country to country , and that there is no "one right method". Remember -- even in Democracy -- there is not one form of democracy, but various: a) Republican, b) Constitutional Monarchical, c) Parliamentarian, d) Bicameral, e) Unicameral, f) Multiformal.

India is India; Japan is Japan; United States is United States; Canada is Canada, United Kingdom is United Kingdom, Indonesia is Indonesia et al.


A fonte puro pura defluit aqua.

Chinese get a kick out of believing that India is jealous of them. They conveniently forget that as a civilisation we go back thousand of years, we have a rich history, our diversity is huge and our society is sophisticated. A mere blip of last 50 years in the fate of a nation won't make us jealous of anyone.

The most powerful of civilisations turn to dust with the passage of time. Emperor Ashoka's empire didn't last. Greeks, Persians, all of them are mere shadows of what the used to be. More recently Japanese empire itself has seen decline. USSR didn't last. The influence of US is receding with the advent of new players on global stage.
Chinese believe its their time to rise, which is fine but 'WE' believe its Asia's turn to rise. In that sense we are more inclusive of the aspirations of one region rather than one country.

 

[Aepsilons]

Its in everybody's interest to drop the conflict, not just India. You make it sound like China will just waltz out of this one unscathed!

I mean, i get it that you got money and some toys, but cockiness got to have some limits bro! U can mess with Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, and with US no less. Now you are hell bent on alienating one country next door which can be a powerful partner in ensuring a multipolar world.



Sure



Chinese get a kick out of believing that India is jealous of them. They conveniently forget that as a civilisation we go back thousand of years, we have a rich history, our diversity is huge and our society is sophisticated. A mere blip of last 50 years in the fate of a nation won't make us jealous of anyone.

The most powerful of civilisations turn to dust with the passage of time. Emperor Ashoka's empire didn't last. Greeks, Persians, all of them are mere shadows of what the used to be. More recently Japanese empire itself has seen decline. USSR didn't last. The influence of US is receding with the advent of new players on global stage.
Chinese believe its their time to rise, which is fine but 'WE' believe its Asia's turn to rise. In that sense we are more inclusive of the aspirations of one region rather than one country.

 

[Echo_419]

The polls should be weighted by population. That way it is more representative of the opinions of the peoples of Asia.

China has 1.4 billion people hating on Japan vs Japans 100 million hating on China.

On another note, I am time and time again disappointed by the lacklustre attempt to promote Sino Indian ties. There is absolutely, fcuking no excuse whatsoever that the two side have such poor relations despite thousands of years of peace and prosperity.

Im the most pro India Chinese poster but Im expecting the usual Indian responses of 1962...Pakistan...democracy... communist...bullshit.

I agree with you on this one Pakistan is to small to influence repeations BTW our 2 countries.let's not forget the simple fact the only war which has happened BTW our 2 countries is that short flare up on border in 62 rest of our history is peaceful not to forget 100s of Field where we can cooperate Railways,Roadwaus ,SEZs,Phrama etc heck India's 1st Rail university is being built with Chinese help there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that pur relations should be anything but the best of friends
Long live Sino-Indian relations

Welcome back buddy & if I may be blunt why were you banned

 

[Spectre]

India doesn't have to be jealous of any country. I think its important to consider national development to domestic context and to consider also the societal issues that defines each country's developmental praxis uniquely its own. India is no China and unlike China, India is a representative, participatory democracy. While democracy is not perfect, it has and caries with it certain limitations and that is definitely more extrapolated in larger nations; the Republic of India, the largest democracy in the world, is an epitome of this -- being over 1.2 billion strong -- has to account for the unique limitations and strengths of maintaining a large bureaucracy. Lastly, India has definite limitations and hurdles before her, but I believe these can be overcome through the Indian methodology of managment and diplomacy. I reiterate, again, the need for us to consider domestic situations from country to country , and that there is no "one right method". Remember -- even in Democracy -- there is not one form of democracy, but various: a) Republican, b) Constitutional Monarchical, c) Parliamentarian, d) Bicameral, e) Unicameral, f) Multiformal.

India is India; Japan is Japan; United States is United States; Canada is Canada, United Kingdom is United Kingdom, Indonesia is Indonesia et al.


A fonte puro pura defluit aqua.

@arbit @Genesis

At micro level - I repeat again some of us are jealous specially the upper strata. I will not go into detail why certain strata of our society are not jealous of China but suffice to say they have other driving priorities.

Your points have are well put and quite relevant but please bear with me.

Jealousy is a primal and instinctual part of human nature, noone is immune with it - well some may be but they are Buddhist Monks in isolation or likes of them. Without Jealousy we are no longer completely human. it is just the darker side of being a human like Greed, violence etc.

As someone called Gordon Grekko Famously Said "Greed is Good" in movie Wall Street I would say Jealousy is good as long as it does not frame our actions in a negative way.

Envy can have either of two effects -

1. It can force us to harm the other party so that they drop to our level or below that
2. It can force us to do better than the other party

As long as Jealousy is a force that drives us to be better than that we were now, I don't see any fault in being jealous.

Leave China, I am jealous of Japan, US, Norway or any country which is doing better than mine but i work constructively to get at the position when I no longer have to be jealous.

Now to address the second part of your post, Yes we all are different and we have our constraints

For a short man it useless and nonconstructive to be Jealous of Tall Man.

So we have to decide that whether the root cause of Jealousy is something which can be eliminated or not.

a. If it can which I believe in the case of India/China or any other comparison then be Jealous, loose your sleep over it, come up with ideas on how to be better

b. if it cannot be eliminated as in the case of Short Man/Tall Man than dig a little deeper - why do you want more height - is it to be better at some sport like basket ball - Tough Luck, is to attract the ladies - well than improve yourself in other ways to have that attraction.

Regards

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Its in everybody's interest to drop the conflict, not just India. You make it sound like China will just waltz out of this one unscathed!

I mean, i get it that you got money and some toys, but cockiness got to have some limits bro! U can mess with Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, and with US no less. Now you are hell bent on alienating one country next door which can be a powerful partner in ensuring a multipolar world.



Sure



Chinese get a kick out of believing that India is jealous of them. They conveniently forget that as a civilisation we go back thousand of years, we have a rich history, our diversity is huge and our society is sophisticated. A mere blip of last 50 years in the fate of a nation won't make us jealous of anyone.

The most powerful of civilisations turn to dust with the passage of time. Emperor Ashoka's empire didn't last. Greeks, Persians, all of them are mere shadows of what the used to be. More recently Japanese empire itself has seen decline. USSR didn't last. The influence of US is receding with the advent of new players on global stage.
Chinese believe its their time to rise, which is fine but 'WE' believe its Asia's turn to rise. In that sense we are more inclusive of the aspirations of one region rather than one country.

Sure its in everyone's interest but you are hurt way more than China for keeping up the conflict. The source of Chinese strength is 1. traditional Chinese culture 2. Chinese language 3. socialism. They are the source of Chinese power just like capitalism, Germanic traditions and English language is the source of US power. Even if we were to have our material goods taken away, we will always rise back up eventually.

We don't want to mess with anyone, but you are messing with us. So we are merely responding. Why only you? China has other far weaker neighbors that we can mess with if we wanted to - but we don't since we don't have a conflict. I see that you Indians have a 犯贱 mentality. If we are in conflict and we respond, you say that's us messing with you and provoking you. But then if we take no action, you say we are scared.

Japanese Empire lasted not even a decade at full extent. For 90% of its existence it encompassed only Japan itself, then Taiwan, then Korea as permanent administrative units. Japanese in the Imperial days had almost zero positive contribution to humanity. Contrast to the USSR which invented satellites, put the first man in space, etc. To put Japan on a level with Greeks, Persians and USSR is nonsense. Even more nonsense to compare Japan with the US since Japan at its height was not even 1/4th the size of the US at its weakest during the Great Depression.

 

[arbit]

Sure its in everyone's interest but you are hurt way more than China for keeping up the conflict. The source of Chinese strength is 1. traditional Chinese culture 2. Chinese language 3. socialism. They are the source of Chinese power just like capitalism, Germanic traditions and English language is the source of US power. Even if we were to have our material goods taken away, we will always rise back up eventually.

We don't want to mess with anyone, but you are messing with us. So we are merely responding. Why only you? China has other far weaker neighbors that we can mess with if we wanted to - but we don't since we don't have a conflict. I see that you Indians have a 犯贱 mentality. If we are in conflict and we respond, you say that's us messing with you and provoking you. But then if we take no action, you say we are scared.

Japanese Empire lasted not even a decade at full extent. For 90% of its existence it encompassed only Japan itself, then Taiwan, then Korea as permanent administrative units. Japanese in the Imperial days had almost zero positive contribution to humanity. Contrast to the USSR which invented satellites, put the first man in space, etc. To put Japan on a level with Greeks, Persians and USSR is nonsense. Even more nonsense to compare Japan with the US since Japan at its height was not even 1/4th the size of the US at its weakest during the Great Depression.

Chinese culture, Chinese language, socialism is Chinese's strength. Understood.
Japanese culture, Japanese language and hard working nature is Japanese strength.
Vietnamese culture, vietnamese language and their hardy nature is Vietnamese's strength. They beat US back. Remember?
And it goes for India, Iran, UK et al.

So what? You think it makes you special? It doesn't.
Most countries, except the muslim world ( some exceptions are there like Iran), will eventually rise up if their material goods are taken away.
Japan actually did it! After Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they rebuilt their country in record time. Being a small nation with limited human resource and no natural resource what so ever, they still managed to do it.

Secondly that statement about it hurting us more than you is frankly speaking, childish. We are talking about the destinies of nations. Because you think it will cost us a dollar more we will hold back? (By the way are you certain it will cost us more? I wouldn't be so sure about that)
Pakistan knows it will be decimated in case of a conflict with india, still their NSA threatens us with nuclear strike

Lastly, lets for a second assume that you and us mess with each other. You reduce our capacity to fight another war, and we reduce your capacity to fight another war. Tell me, after China and India are done with each other, how will china establish her writ in SCS? Annexe Taiwan back? Reclaim those islands from Japan? Challenge US 7th fleet?
Are you THAT rich? Are you THAT powerful?
After the war, India will be firmly in the camp of US and Japan, will explicitly and unapologetically liaise with Vietnam and focus all its defence preparedness towards China. Are you prepared for THAT?

We don't want to mess with anyone, but you are messing with us. So we are merely responding.

I don't think so. Yes we had a conflict. You raised it up a notch further by arming pakistan. You resolved your boundary disputes with Russia quickly but don't want to do the same with us because pakistan gives you a comfort factor. So this 'merely responding' doesn't hold water.

Japanese Empire lasted not even a decade at full extent. For 90% of its existence it encompassed only Japan itself, then Taiwan, then Korea as permanent administrative units. Japanese in the Imperial days had almost zero positive contribution to humanity. Contrast to the USSR which invented satellites, put the first man in space, etc. To put Japan on a level with Greeks, Persians and USSR is nonsense. Even more nonsense to compare Japan with the US since Japan at its height was not even 1/4th the size of the US at its weakest during the Great Depression.

Sorry to say but this entire paragraph reeks with envy/jealousy and contempt.
You certainly have issues with Japan. Yes USSR put first man in space and others did their bit. Japanese gave the concept of 5 sigma. The established the concept of quality as we know it. You being a manufacturing driven economy should know it quite well.
If Japan manufactured products are at one end of the spectrum of quality, you are at another. Your USP is price, their USP is quality.

Some one here said that a 'sincere sorry' would be enough from Japan. I seriously doubt it.


@Spectre Mate thanks for the tag. This one is already too long, i shall reply in another one.

 

[ComradeNam]

Why South Korea is the least favor among Asian Countries except Vietnam? Japanese still the most favored among Asian, with score of 71 median. That said Asian countries have trust in Japan leadership more than any countries in the list.

 

[Soulspeek]

Common Indians are geographically dumb when it comes to East Asia. For them East Asia=Japan, China

 

[prima99]

Common Indians are geographically dumb when it comes to East Asia. For them East Asia=Japan, China

exactly like how most asian countries view caucasians as a whole. it's hard to see which country they belongs to if they're in one crowd. even harder to identify them through language, like Dutch and Deutsch, they sounds about the same.

 

[Aepsilons]

Why South Korea is the least favor among Asian Countries except Vietnam? Japanese still the most favored among Asian, with score of 71 median. That said Asian countries have trust in Japan leadership more than any countries in the list.

The sound of Great Collaboration between Asians, my friend.

 

[LowPost]

I would be glad to answer this question, as a Banker I have some knowledge about Foreign funding of Indian media groups which is not commonly known to common Indians

CNN - IBN is a joined venture of CNN with an Indian company.
NDTV - Is funded by a US based Bank, and there is extensive foreign shareholding in its parent company which is located in Mauritius.
Times Group and India today - Have massive US interests which i will not publicly disclose.
INX - Owned by a western PE group

In addition all media groups whether print or electronic owe their ad revenues to western multinational companies.

With regards to world politics, India has clearly positioned itself as an alternative to China. This is not a zero sum game but it is a obvious that both India and China have Billion Plus population and resource constraints. At some point in future they are going to be in conflict over resources. There is not enough space in the world to accommodate India and China equally.

For now India lags far behind China and it is US which is threatened by China hence is looking to contain China by propping India up as a main adversary so if things turn to worst case scenario US would have a major power in form of India in China's backyard which would relieve pressure on US.

China has adopted a similar strategy and propped up Pakistan with regards to India so that Pakistan keeps India busy.

Russia though highly relevant militarily, is a diminishing power. Russia's and EU's stars are waning while India and China's stars are waxing. US is fighting to keep its pre-eminence in Global arena in conceivable future.

Indian analysts have arrived at a conclusion that though they would not form any overt treaties or alliances with the west but in face of rising China, they would need western support to hold their own and protect their interests. Hence you see India changing its anti-west attitude which was prevalent upto mid 90s to pro-western one.

Once again, thanks for your insight.

Russia though highly relevant militarily, is a diminishing power. Russia's and EU's stars are waning while India and China's stars are waxing. US is fighting to keep its pre-eminence in Global arena in conceivable future.

Russia surely has a costly sanctions war to fight but I am sure its pivot to Asia will pay out in the long term. Moreover, thanks to the Belt and Road Initiative, the EEU and Russia's strengthened cooperation with alternative countries to the West will keep the Russian economy afloat.

Like Russia, the EU can benefit from the Belt and Road Initiative as well but as everyone knows, it is divided over the Greek debt crisis and the refugee problem. The issues are exacerbated by concerns over a possible Brexit, the rise of Eurosceptic parties like Alternative for Germany, UKIP and the French National Front party, Russia's food import ban on Western countries enforcing sanctions to Moscow and the negative effects to the economies of the EU members states caused by the said sanctions.

For sure, the EU will retain its status as a major global economy but the prospects for its future are quite grim.

 

[Aepsilons]

For sure, the EU will retain its status as a major global economy but the prospects for its future are quite grim.

The Refugee situation is pertinent to consider. That and the demographic situation in Europe; a common problem that Japan is also fighting: an aging population.


#firstworldproblems

 

[Keel]

My comments

Japan wins Asia-Pacific popularity poll despite mutual distrust with China, South Korea

As a reminder to the ignorant and the history manipulators or the jpnese collaborators or the fools:

A poster appearing during WW2 jpnese facists invasion and the war criminals are still being worshipped by the unrepentent jpnese in high profile each and EVERY year