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The polls should be weighted by population. That way it is more representative of the opinions of the peoples of Asia.

China has 1.4 billion people hating on Japan vs Japans 100 million hating on China.

On another note, I am time and time again disappointed by the lacklustre attempt to promote Sino Indian ties. There is absolutely, fcuking no excuse whatsoever that the two side have such poor relations despite thousands of years of peace and prosperity.

Im the most pro India Chinese poster but Im expecting the usual Indian responses of 1962...Pakistan...democracy... communist...bullshit.
 
1, Generally Chinese don't understand Indian affairs or culture so much
2, Chinese may dislike India due to Tibet issues, but Chinese never hate Indians like we hate Japanese. I never saw any Chinese expressed that he hates India on and off the Internet(except PDF), but I usually saw it regarding the Japanese. So this is difference.

Hi

I never understand Chinese mentality, they really are enigmatic to the core.

I have visited China close to 20 times for various reasons like shopping for furniture/interiors of my house; visit to relatives permanently based in China, job, recreation, seminars etc. I find Chinese people excellent hosts, always courteous and they never bring old issues like war, Tibet,Pakistan etc in discussion. They insist that they consider Indians to be friends due to Buddhist connection.

Their media and govt on the other hand have shown absolute contempt for India.

Indians on the other hand, common Indians not PDF posters are increasingly loving China as quite a lot of them earn their living trading and retailing Chinese Goods

@Chinese-Dragon @+4vsgorillas-Apebane

The polls should be weighted by population. That way it is more representative of the opinions of the peoples of Asia.

China has 1.4 billion people hating on Japan vs Japans 100 million hating on China.

On another note, I am time and time again disappointed by the lacklustre attempt to promote Sino Indian ties. There is absolutely, fcuking no excuse whatsoever that the two side have such poor relations despite thousands of years of peace and prosperity.

Im the most pro India Chinese poster but Im expecting the usual Indian responses of 1962...Pakistan...democracy... communist...bullshit.

I would like to invite you to India and interact with common Indians based in Chandini Chowk of Delhi and Bara Bazar of Kolkata. These areas are heart of Indian wholesale trade and you would be surprised to see the love and affection showered on you.

Common Indians unlike we PDF posters don't consider much about 1962 - they are old stories. They care about money and their livelihood. We together have a shared glorious past and are engines of growth for the world today. I hope against hope future brings us even closure but geo-strategic positioning and politics and west would never let it happen
 
Hi

I never understand Chinese mentality, they really are enigmatic to the core.

I have visited China close to 20 times for various reasons like shopping for furniture/interiors of my house; visit to relatives permanently based in China, job, recreation, seminars etc. I find Chinese people excellent hosts, always courteous and they never bring old issues like war, Tibet,Pakistan etc in discussion. They insist that they consider Indians to be friends due to Buddhist connection.

Their media and govt on the other hand have shown absolute contempt for India.

Indians on the other hand, common Indians not PDF posters are increasingly loving China as quite a lot of them earn their living trading and retailing Chinese Goods

@Chinese-Dragon @+4vsgorillas-Apebane

Ha

This is a defence forum and I was shocked by how young some posters were when they declared their age in another thread. Im 31 years old and probably one of the oldest around.

From my experience in working with Indians and south Asians back in my university days I have found that Chinese and Indians get on really well. One of my most epic last stand attempts to finnish a group assignment that was given 4 months but done in 2 nights was with a Bangladeshi dude and a mainland Chinese girl who hardly knew english. We pulled of a miracle and came first in class!
 
Hi

I never understand Chinese mentality, they really are enigmatic to the core.

I have visited China close to 20 times for various reasons like shopping for furniture/interiors of my house; visit to relatives permanently based in China, job, recreation, seminars etc. I find Chinese people excellent hosts, always courteous and they never bring old issues like war, Tibet,Pakistan etc in discussion. They insist that they consider Indians to be friends due to Buddhist connection.

Their media and govt on the other hand have shown absolute contempt for India.

Indians on the other hand, common Indians not PDF posters are increasingly loving China as quite a lot of them earn their living trading and retailing Chinese Goods

@Chinese-Dragon @+4vsgorillas-Apebane



I would like to invite you to India and interact with common Indians based in Chandini Chowk of Delhi and Bara Bazar of Kolkata. These areas are heart of Indian wholesale trade and you would be surprised to see the love and affection showered on you.

Common Indians unlike we PDF posters don't consider much about 1962 - they are old stories. They care about money and their livelihood. We together have a shared glorious past and are engines of growth for the world today. I hope against hope future brings us even closure but geo-strategic positioning and politics and west would never let it happen
Lol, India is rarely seen in Chinese media, if India disappears today, hardly anyone in China will aware till decade later, Chinese perception about India is actually mainly from western media and Indian media itself, India is basically ignored by Chinese media like there is no such country exists, In contract, Indian media is extremely obsessed with China, we see a lot of high sensational and unprofessional journalism regarding China.
 
Lol, India is rarely seen in Chinese media, if India disappears today, hardly anyone in China will aware till decade later, Chinese perception about India is actually mainly from western media and Indian media itself, India is basically ignored by Chinese media like there is no such country exists, In contract, Indian media is extremely obsessed with China, we see a lot of high sensational and unprofessional journalism regarding China.

I partially agree with you

1. Importance attached to India by Chinese media and people is very less. They are more bothered about Russians, Japan and US at international arena.

2. Indian media is sensationalist and unprofessional to the core.

However people to people ties between India and China are increasing due to increasing trade and at grass-root level between business comunities, traders etc ties are improving.

It suits Chinese Govt and media to portray India as insignificant and whatever articles I have seen about India have largely been Negative in Chinese Press.
 
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I partially agree with you

1. Importance attached to India by Chinese media and people is very less. They are more bothered about Russians, Japan and US at international arena.

2. Indian media is sensationalist and unprofessional to the core.

However people to people ties between India and China are increasing due to increasing trade and at grass-root level between business comunities, traders etc ties are improving.

It suits Chinese Govt and media to portray India as insignificant and whatever articles I have seen about India have largely been Negative in Chinese Press.
How can Chinese media being negative about India when they rarely make an independent analysis about India? All the news in China regarding India are goes like according to BBC, or CNN, something happened in India blah blah blah......all quoted from western media and India media. I see All the Chinese analysis about India are pretty objective,mature, and proper, exactly because it's state controlled, because anyone say something inappropriately will result in losing jobs, unlike Indian media with titles like "China centric Agni-V" and without any consequences lol.... Really childish and funny, yes, our DF3 are basically aimed at India, but you never see us make such stupid remarks.
 
It suits Chinese Govt and media to portray India as insignificant and whatever articles I have seen about India have largely been Negative in Chinese Press.

Hm?

Top legislator calls for strengthening co-op between China, India[1]- Chinadaily.com.cn
Xi eyes continued correct direction for China-India ties - People's Daily Online

China, India sign concrete agreements as relations warm_News_Icrosschina

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-05/15/c_134243098.htm#

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-05/15/c_134242660.htm

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-05/12/c_134232826.htm

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-03/23/c_134090829.htm

I also browsed through the website of China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs and concerning India, there's a text describing the current situation of China-India relations. Try hard to find a disparaging remark from the Chinese side about India there:

In 2013, the strategic and cooperative partnership for peace and prosperity between the People's Republic of China and the Republic of India further deepened, with exchanges and cooperation expanded in all sectors. The two countries maintained close coordination and collaboration in regional and international affairs.

The two sides kept frequent high-level exchanges and contact. In March, President Xi Jinping met with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the sidelines of the Fifth BRICS Summit in Durban, South Africa, and Premier Li Keqiang had a telephone conversation with Prime Minister Singh. In May, Premier Li Keqiang made India the first stop of his first overseas visit after taking office. In January, State Councilor Dai Bingguo attended the third Meeting of BRICS High Representatives for Security Issues in India. On the sidelines of the meeting, State Councilor Dai had a bilateral meeting with Prime Minister Singh and presented a letter of CPC Central Committee General Secretary Xi Jinping to Prime Minister Singh. He also had talks with Indian National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon. In June, State Councilor Yang Jiechi and Indian National Security Advisor Menon held the 16th Meeting of the Chinese and Indian Special Representatives on the Boundary Question in Beijing. In October, Indian Prime Minister Singh paid an official visit to China. In May, Indian Minister of External Affairs Salman Khurshid visited China. In July, Indian Defense Minister A.K. Anthony visited China. In addition, CPPCC Vice Chairman Wang Zhengwei and Deputy Chief of the PLA General Staff Lieutenant General Qi Jianguo, among others, visited India. Indian Defense Secretary Sashi Kant Sharma and General-Secretary Prakash Karat of the Communist Party of India (Marxist) visited China. On the sidelines of the fourth Meeting of BRICS High Representatives for Security Issues in Capetown, South Africa, State Councilor Yang Jiechi had a bilateral meeting with Indian National Security Advisor Menon. Foreign Minister Wang Yi met with Indian Minister of External Affairs Khurshid during the East Asian Foreign Ministers' Meetings, UN General Assembly and China-Russia- India Foreign Ministers Meeting. Vice Foreign Ministers Song Tao and Cheng Guoping met with Indian National Security Adviser Menon and exchanged views on the bilateral relations and other issues, respectively on the margins of the Munich Security Conference and China-Russia-India Senior Security Representatives Meeting on the Afghan Issue in Moscow. In April, Indian Prime Minister Singh sent a letter of condolences to Premier Li Keqiang on the earthquake in Lushan, Sichuan Province. In mid-June, severe floods hit northern India. Premier Li Keqiang and Foreign Minister Wang Yi sent messages of condolences to Indian Prime Minister Singh and Minister of External Affairs Khurshid respectively. The Chinese government provided the Indian government with US$200,000 in disaster relief assistance, and the Red Cross Society of China provided the Indian Red Cross Society with US$50,000 in assistance.

Practical cooperation between the two countries kept expanding. China was India's second largest trading partner, and India China's 12th trading partner. India was an important overseas market of contracted projects for China. By the end of 2013, China had signed a total of US$62.399 billion worth of contracted projects in India and achieved a revenue of US$38.8 billion. During Premier Li Keqiang's visit to India, the two countries jointly proposed to launch a BCIM Economic Corridor, which received a positive response from Bangladesh and Myanmar. In September, the sixth China-India Financial Dialogue was held in Beijing. In December, the first Joint Study Group meeting of the BCIM Economic Corridor was held in Kunming, Yunnan Province, and the four parties signed the Minutes of meeting and the Joint Study Program. China and India also agreed to carry out cooperation in industrial parks, railway and other areas, and explore the potential for a regional trade arrangement.

Defense exchanges of the two countries continued to deepen. In January, Deputy Chief of the PLA General Staff Lieutenant General Qi Jianguo and Indian Defense Secretary Sharma co-chaired the fifth China- India Defense Dialogue in Beijing. Air Force General Xu Qiliang, Vice Chairman of the Central Military Commission, met with Secretary Sharma and his delegation. In March, Deputy Chief of the PLA General Staff Lieutenant General Qi Jianguo paid an official visit to India and had an exchange of views with the Indian side on military-to-military relations. In July, State Councilor and Minister of Defense General Chang Wanquan had talks with the visiting Indian Defense Minister Anthony. The two sides exchanged views on regional security situation and the military relations between the two countries. In August, Chinese Navy hospital ship "Peace Ark" visited the Indian port city of Mumbai. In October, the "Hand-in- Hand 2013" China-India Army Counter-Terrorism Joint Training Exercise was held in Chengdu.

The two foreign ministries maintained close communication and cooperation. They signed the Protocol Between the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China and the Ministry of External Affairs of the Republic of India on Cooperation in Bilateral Relations, held the fifth Ministerial Strategic Dialogue, the sixth China-India counterterrorism consultation, the first consultation on Central Asian affairs and annual diplomatic officials consultation, and launched the mechanism of mutual visits of their spokespersons. The Indian high-level diplomats delegation and young diplomats delegation paid successful visits to China.

Boundary talks between the two countries were carried forward steadily. The two sides held the 16th Meeting of the Chinese and Indian Special Representatives on the Boundary Question in Beijing, and exchanged views on the implementation of the consensus reached by the leaders of the two countries, settlement of the boundary question and development of bilateral relations, and regional and international issues of mutual interest. The Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination on China- India Border Affairs held its third and fourth meetings. The two countries also promptly handled the situation when their border troops came to a face-to-face situation in South Tianwendian Valley (Depsang Plains area referred to by the Indian side).

Positive results were achieved in cultural and people-to-people exchanges between the two countries. The first China-India Media Forum was jointly held by the Chinese State Council Information Office and the Indian External Affairs Ministry in New Delhi. Minister of the State Council Information Office Cai Mingzhao and Indian Minister of External Affairs Khurshid attended the opening ceremony. The 100-member Chinese and Indian youth delegations exchanged visits for the seventh consecutive year, and were received by Indian Prime Minister Singh and Chinese Premier Li Keqiang respectively. Sister city agreements were signed between Beijing and Delhi, Kunming and Calcutta, and Chengdu and Bangalore, the first ever in history.

The two countries maintained close coordination and collaboration in international affairs. They stayed in close communication in regional and international organizations such as the United Nations, G20, BRICS, BASIC and the China-India-Russia mechanism, worked together to advance the WTO Doha Round, made active efforts to address climate change, terrorism, food and energy security, and safeguarded the common interests of both the two countries and developing countries as a whole.

Premier Li Keqiang's Official Visit to India and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's Official Visit to China

From May 19 to 22, Premier Li Keqiang paid an official visit to India and visited New Delhi and Mumbai. During his visit, Premier Li had talks with Prime Minister Singh and met with other Indian leaders, including President Pranab Mukherjee, Vice President Mohammad Hamid Ansari, President of the Indian National Congress Party Sonia Gandhi and leader of the opposition in Lok Sabha Sushma Swaraj. The two sides released the Joint Statement Between the People's Republic of China and the Republic of India. Premier Li delivered a speech entitled Seize the Opportunities in China-India Strategic Cooperation at the Indian Council of World Affairs, and addressed the dinner meeting of China-India Business Cooperation Summit. The two sides signed ten cooperation documents in political, economic and cultural areas.

From October 22 to 24, Prime Minister Singh paid an official visit to China. President Xi Jinping, Premier Li Keqiang and NPC Chairman Zhang Dejiang met with him on separate occasions. The two sides released the Joint Statement-A Vision for Future Development of China-India Strategic and Cooperative Partnership. Prime Minister Singh delivered a speech in the Party School of the CPC Central Committee. Relevant departments of the two sides signed nine cooperation documents on transportation, electricity, border cooperation and culture.

Being the first time that a Chinese Premier and an Indian Prime Minister exchanged visits in the same year since 1954, the mutual visits by Premier Li Keqiang and Prime Minister Singh were a milestone in the development of China-India relations.

India

Not really up to date but that will do.
 
The polls should be weighted by population. That way it is more representative of the opinions of the peoples of Asia.

China has 1.4 billion people hating on Japan vs Japans 100 million hating on China.

On another note, I am time and time again disappointed by the lacklustre attempt to promote Sino Indian ties. There is absolutely, fcuking no excuse whatsoever that the two side have such poor relations despite thousands of years of peace and prosperity.

Im the most pro India Chinese poster but Im expecting the usual Indian responses of 1962...Pakistan...democracy... communist...bullshit.

Appreciate the sentiment.
Sino Indian ties are on the upswing. Recently security clearances were granted to Chinese companies which were pending under pervious administration. Steps are also being taken to enhance the quality and quantity of bilateral trade between us. So yes, our ties are improving at country level. With more economic interdependence and our history of cultural ties dating back thousand of years, things should look up further.

Cant say the same about PDF though :) we have to deal with the likes of beidou and shotgunner, and they outshout you my friend (not that it matters though). Lastly we have site administrators who have a stake in keeping the pot boiling between Chinese and Indian posters :pop:



Lol, India is rarely seen in Chinese media, if India disappears today, hardly anyone in China will aware till decade later, Chinese perception about India is actually mainly from western media and Indian media itself, India is basically ignored by Chinese media like there is no such country exists, In contract, Indian media is extremely obsessed with China, we see a lot of high sensational and unprofessional journalism regarding China.

I can see why india is rarely seen in Chinese media. Of that i can take your word for it.
But our own media is not obsessed with you, leave alone 'extremely' obsessed. Your parade has had no coverage here. The WW2 anniversary and china and japan issues got no coverage here. Your DF21,41 gets no coverage here. Your internal politics, think tanks, foreign relation policy, SCS gets no coverage here.

What our media covers is Agni and they stupidly bring you guys in the discourse. They do discuss our naval exercises with other nations and bring you in to the picture. They discuss pakistan and its weapons programme and bring you into the discussion.

All the mentions of china in our mainstream media is by association with something or the other. There is no stand alone coverage of china here.
Hope you will keep this in mind before feeling too self important and harassed by make believe attention from indian press.

Lastly our media is stone age and occasionally cater to the lowest denominator. So unprofessionalism creeps in. But overall its alright.
 
Hm?

I also browsed through the website of China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs and concerning India, there's a text describing the current situation of China-India relations. Try hard to find a disparaging remark from the Chinese side about India there:

I appreciate your post and sentiment behind it. Your post has given me a lot to think about.

I would not like to offer a rebuttal without researching some facts. However I urge you to go through this article by IDSA, a premier Indian - Think Tank and offer your comments on it

India through the Chinese Lens

How can Chinese media being negative about India when they rarely make an independent analysis about India? All the news in China regarding India are goes like according to BBC, or CNN, something happened in India blah blah blah......all quoted from western media and India media. I see All the Chinese analysis about India are pretty objective,mature, and proper, exactly because it's state controlled, because anyone say something inappropriately will result in losing jobs, unlike Indian media with titles like "China centric Agni-V" and without any consequences lol.... Really childish and funny, yes, our DF3 are basically aimed at India, but you never see us make such stupid remarks.

Yes, I agree with all your points; No one has ever described Indian Media as objective and mature. They are basically driven by TRPs and ad revenues.
 
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I would not like to offer a rebuttal without researching some facts. However I urge you to go through this article by IDSA, a premier Indian - Think Tank and offer your comments on it
India through the Chinese Lens

First of all, I'd like to thank you for posting the article. I also bookmarked IDSA's website, for there seems be a good number of analyses on global politics.

As for the comment, there are some arguments about the narrative of Xinhua and the like which perplexed me in a way. I know it's in the interest of the CPC to let China-India ties develop positively but I don't think that China always wants the Indian government to do what the former orders via its media. And this state of denial thing... not that I mean to come to the defence of Chinese press and/or China's diplomatic tactics yet I don't entirely agree with it either. Kumar's opinion gave me an appeal to carefully analyse the way CCTV, Xinhua, China Daily et al., having enough time to do this can be a problem however. :angel: :P

BTW, I recall how @empirefighter argued that there's no neutral media on the world at all. I partially agree with this since there are some minor independent media outlets, blogs and true investigative journalists that provide an interesting perspective not known from mainstream media. Well, it's best to compare the narrative of different media outlets about an event. To be honest however, I prefer RT, Sputnik, Xinhua etc. over Western mainstream news sources as I'm sick of how the latter trumpets the "Russian threat" and "Chinese peril" theories over and over again. Personally I don't loathe the US at all though, it's just their foreign policy which I view with scepticism.
 
Ha

This is a defence forum and I was shocked by how young some posters were when they declared their age in another thread. Im 31 years old and probably one of the oldest around.

From my experience in working with Indians and south Asians back in my university days I have found that Chinese and Indians get on really well. One of my most epic last stand attempts to finnish a group assignment that was given 4 months but done in 2 nights was with a Bangladeshi dude and a mainland Chinese girl who hardly knew english. We pulled of a miracle and came first in class!

You are older than me. In my era the experiences are generally more negative. I'd say that Chinese and Korean international students get along the best, then secondarily Chinese and Vietnamese (although alot of Chinese say that Vietnamese students overseas are very eager to assimilate).
 
First of all, I'd like to thank you for posting the article. I also bookmarked IDSA's website, for there seems be a good number of analyses on global politics.

As for the comment, there are some arguments about the narrative of Xinhua and the like which perplexed me in a way. I know it's in the interest of the CPC to let China-India ties develop positively but I don't think that China always wants the Indian government to do what the former orders via its media. And this state of denial thing... not that I mean to come to the defence of Chinese press and/or China's diplomatic tactics yet I don't entirely agree with it either. Kumar's opinion gave me an appeal to carefully analyse the way CCTV, Xinhua, China Daily et al., having enough time to do this can be a problem however. :angel: :P

BTW, I recall how @empirefighter argued that there's no neutral media on the world at all. I partially agree with this since there are some minor independent media outlets, blogs and true investigative journalists that provide an interesting perspective not known from mainstream media. Well, it's best to compare the narrative of different media outlets about an event. To be honest however, I prefer RT, Sputnik, Xinhua etc. over Western mainstream news sources as I'm sick of how the latter trumpets the "Russian threat" and "Chinese peril" theories over and over again. Personally I don't loathe the US at all though, it's just their foreign policy which I view with scepticism.

Brilliant analysis by you, I absolutely concur with second part of your post. Things are not always what they seem and US has mastered the art of propaganda, their so called independent news outlets have a long reaching spanning almost every major country with an exception of China, Russia, N.Korea and some Latin american countries. Conveniently all these countries are termed as threats to global security and stability and hence not to be trusted.

Hollywood and western news media have been forming narratives for so long that most people take it as a Gospel truth. The trouble is India too is falling for US tactics as old breed of analysts who viewed US with skepticm have retired. Indian media today is basically owned by major US networks either openly in case of CNN or proxy investments hence you might see somewhat warped views of Indian posters on PDF regarding China.

Not to say that likes of Xinhua, Sputnik and RT are unbiased but what can they do except fight fire with fire and propaganda with propaganda. However their shorter reach and primacy of English Language at global stage makes their job a bit more difficult.

US foreign policy has sadly over reached itself and days when US State Dept could lift a finger and overthrow a govt in Asia and Africa are long past. Now days they are jumping from one mess to other.
 
I think the Vietnamese president attended because of free food and free drinks. And to give China the impression that Vietnam likes China.

As for the Filipino, they are generally nice and friendly people. It is your countrymen that look down and insult them, thus giving the impression that there are fierce hatred between the two people eventhough the hate is only one-sided.

Yes, Chinese look down and insult Vietnamese on every Chinese forum, this is a general agreement. I believe this hate is mutual. But Phillipines are actually different, we don't care about them like Vietnamese, they are far from our attentions, so do they.
 
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