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How Muslims are treated in India, in the eyes of Shabana Azmi. Must watch!
Muslims in India - A Honest Look - YouTube
Muslims in India - A Honest Look - YouTube
HOW ARE INDIAN MUSLIMS TREATED IN INDIA
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you can talk about my country and write about whatever you want but when its a repeated offense just to incite hate then its crap and nothing more than that. Putting things in red font or all caps does not make what is wrong right. Many Indians have been banned over this so I dont understand why those rules do not apply on Pakistanis as well. And please watch your language, if its a free forum your not allowed to tell me to shut up as well as long as I am not breaking any forum rules.
Thats told you Desiman - Go and smoke that in your pipe.
On topic - I dont like generalizing about any people. You get mixtures in all cultures and countries - not all Indians are the same
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Yeah.. This is a free forum which gives a member a right to discredit another post or another member trying to speak on his behalf.. Isnt it?
@santro..and this guy.
according to agnosticmuslim,
cross questioning is part of debate,he just said in embassy bombing thread.
i also complained about the same.
Questioning your rights, or mine isnt part of the debate..
Want to cross question, question the source.. not my right to talk about it.
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Err?? Why has my post in reply to Santro's post deleted.. Did I miss the memo that one can not disagree with a mod ??
EDIT: The post just came back.. Must be a glitch.. thx..
EDIT: The post just came back.. Must be a glitch.. thx..
Secondly stop worrying about Indian Muslims, we are happy in our country and don't need a Pakistani to think about us.
You agree to NEVER post on Pakistan or anything to do with Pakistan again, Ill accept his statement.
Examples of Hindu violence towards Christians:
Hindu nationalist groups promote the concept of Hindutva -- a pure Hindu nation -- where Hindus have a position of dominance over Christians, Muslims, and believers of other religions, and in which the caste system is restored and rigidly preserved. Their natural enemies are various Christian and Muslim groups who promote the concept of a classless society without a caste system.
The Washington Times reports that charitable groups in the U.S. collect funds from Indians living in that country and funnel the money to Hindutva groups in India. Priya Abraham of the Institute on Religion and Public Policy discusses the findings of California-based anthropologist Angana Chatterji who has been monitoring the transfer of funding for years. Abraham writes:
"According to Ms. Chatterji, there are four major Hindutva-affiliated groups in the United States that have funded numerous organizations across India. The U.S. groups register as charities with tax-exempt status and carry stated goals of providing development and welfare work for needy Indians. In reality, Ms. Chatterji says, the charities offer facades for vast political activities that include the education, conversion and indoctrination of Hindutva ideology in traditionally poor and often illiterate tribal and low-caste Indians." 6
Some Hindus have accused Christian missionaries of offering money and goods to Tallit (a.k.a. untouchables) and other lower caste Indians as an inducement to convert to Christianity. Although the caste system has been officially outlawed for many years, it is still followed by many Hindus -- particularly in rural areas. There are accusations that some low caste Indians have converted to Buddhism or Christianity in order to escape from the caste system. This is viewed as a destabilizing force by many Hindus.
Christians experienced increased oppression after the nationalistic Hindu Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) came to power federally in 1998. Violence continues, even after the BJP was replaced by the Congress Party in 2004.
Some examples of inter-faith violence:
1999: Graham Staines, an Australian Christian missionary had worked for 30 years with leprosy patients in Orissa state for three decades. In 1999, he and his two young sons -- Philip, 10, and Timothy, 6, were trapped inside a car by Hindu fundamentalist militants who set fire to his vehicle. All three were burned to death. In 2003, 13 men were convicted of mass murder. Dara Singh was sentenced to hang; his 12 accomplices, were sentenced to life in prison. 1
2000: During the first half of the year, there were 35 violent incidents in which Christians were victimized. These include bombings, church arson, beating deaths, and assaults. Roman Catholic Archbishop de Lastic stated: "There is a definite strategy and plan at the national level -- these forces at work want to intimidate Christians."
Some Protestant and Catholic leaders blamed the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). This is a Hindu spiritual group, from which the BJP political party grew. The All India Christian Council wrote that Christians are "sick of the statements and are not fooled by the utterances of the central government." 2Herod Malik, spokesperson for the United Forum for Catholics and Protestants said: "We are scared. We have to go to international organizations because we have no faith in the Indian government." 3
Federal government leaders denied that the RSS is responsible. They accused Pakistani security forces. 1
2007: During the Christmas holiday period, about 10 people were murdered, 90 churches were burned and 600 homes were destroyed in Orissa state. 4
2008: Clashes continued in Orissa state. According to a commentary in the Washington Times, on AUG-23, a hard-line Hindu swami was murdered. Extremist Hindus went on a rampage agaisnt Orissa's minority Christians, burning homes, destroying churhes, battering people and raping women,including an nun. The Baptist World Alliance claimed in August that the death toll had reached at least 25. They reported that more than 600 churches had been demolished and that 4,000 Christians had been forced to flee from their villages.
The Associated Baptist Press reported in 2008-AUG-27:
"A nun died and a pastor was hurt when fire swept an orphanage in the Bargarh District. Apparently none of the 21 children housed there died."
"In an Aug. 26 e-mail to the BWA, Swarupananda Patra, General Secretary of the All Orissa Baptist Churches Federation, said, 'All Christian villages [are] empty in Kandhamal as Christians, old and young, sick and pregnant mothers [are] hiding in forests exposed to the non-stop monsoon rains without food. Kandhamal is the hardest hit, with at least eight Christians killed and almost all Christian homes demolished,' he reported. 'I appeal to the governing authorities in India to intervene to save the lives of the many who are being victimized in the current crisis,' BWA General Secretary Neville Callam said in a press release. 'Respect for the principle of religious liberty and the sacredness of human life requires nothing less'." 5
Eventually, during four months of violence, about 70 people died and 50,000 were displaced into refugee camps. 6
2010: Religion News Blog reported that over 1,000 anti-Christian attacks have ocurred in Karnataka state in southwest India -- "... once a symbol of Indias economic progress and of freedom [Karnataka] has now become a hub of right-wing Hindu extremism, according to the Evangelical Fellowship of India. Christian investigators say Christian persecution increased after the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) became Karnataka's main ruling party in 2008.
References used:
The following information sources were used to prepare and update the above essay. The hyperlinks are not necessarily still active today.
"Hindu given death for killing missionary," The New York Times, 2003-SEP-23, at: The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia
Religion Today news summary, 2000-JUN-13
Religion Today news summary, 2000-JUN-14
Robert Marus, "BWA officials condemn violence against Christians in Indian state," Associated Baptist Press, 2008-JAN-04, at: Associated Baptist Press - Home
"Reports: Several dead in India after Hindu-Christian clashes," Associated Baptist Press, 2008-AUG-27, at: Associated Baptist Press - Home
Priya Abraham, "Uncharitable Giving," The Washington Times, 2009-FEB-08.
"Over 1,000 anti-Christian attacks in Indian State, report," Religion News
Hindu nationalist groups promote the concept of Hindutva -- a pure Hindu nation -- where Hindus have a position of dominance over Christians, Muslims, and believers of other religions, and in which the caste system is restored and rigidly preserved. Their natural enemies are various Christian and Muslim groups who promote the concept of a classless society without a caste system.
The Washington Times reports that charitable groups in the U.S. collect funds from Indians living in that country and funnel the money to Hindutva groups in India. Priya Abraham of the Institute on Religion and Public Policy discusses the findings of California-based anthropologist Angana Chatterji who has been monitoring the transfer of funding for years. Abraham writes:
"According to Ms. Chatterji, there are four major Hindutva-affiliated groups in the United States that have funded numerous organizations across India. The U.S. groups register as charities with tax-exempt status and carry stated goals of providing development and welfare work for needy Indians. In reality, Ms. Chatterji says, the charities offer facades for vast political activities that include the education, conversion and indoctrination of Hindutva ideology in traditionally poor and often illiterate tribal and low-caste Indians." 6
Some Hindus have accused Christian missionaries of offering money and goods to Tallit (a.k.a. untouchables) and other lower caste Indians as an inducement to convert to Christianity. Although the caste system has been officially outlawed for many years, it is still followed by many Hindus -- particularly in rural areas. There are accusations that some low caste Indians have converted to Buddhism or Christianity in order to escape from the caste system. This is viewed as a destabilizing force by many Hindus.
Christians experienced increased oppression after the nationalistic Hindu Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) came to power federally in 1998. Violence continues, even after the BJP was replaced by the Congress Party in 2004.
Some examples of inter-faith violence:
1999: Graham Staines, an Australian Christian missionary had worked for 30 years with leprosy patients in Orissa state for three decades. In 1999, he and his two young sons -- Philip, 10, and Timothy, 6, were trapped inside a car by Hindu fundamentalist militants who set fire to his vehicle. All three were burned to death. In 2003, 13 men were convicted of mass murder. Dara Singh was sentenced to hang; his 12 accomplices, were sentenced to life in prison. 1
2000: During the first half of the year, there were 35 violent incidents in which Christians were victimized. These include bombings, church arson, beating deaths, and assaults. Roman Catholic Archbishop de Lastic stated: "There is a definite strategy and plan at the national level -- these forces at work want to intimidate Christians."
Some Protestant and Catholic leaders blamed the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). This is a Hindu spiritual group, from which the BJP political party grew. The All India Christian Council wrote that Christians are "sick of the statements and are not fooled by the utterances of the central government." 2Herod Malik, spokesperson for the United Forum for Catholics and Protestants said: "We are scared. We have to go to international organizations because we have no faith in the Indian government." 3
Federal government leaders denied that the RSS is responsible. They accused Pakistani security forces. 1
2007: During the Christmas holiday period, about 10 people were murdered, 90 churches were burned and 600 homes were destroyed in Orissa state. 4
2008: Clashes continued in Orissa state. According to a commentary in the Washington Times, on AUG-23, a hard-line Hindu swami was murdered. Extremist Hindus went on a rampage agaisnt Orissa's minority Christians, burning homes, destroying churhes, battering people and raping women,including an nun. The Baptist World Alliance claimed in August that the death toll had reached at least 25. They reported that more than 600 churches had been demolished and that 4,000 Christians had been forced to flee from their villages.
The Associated Baptist Press reported in 2008-AUG-27:
"A nun died and a pastor was hurt when fire swept an orphanage in the Bargarh District. Apparently none of the 21 children housed there died."
"In an Aug. 26 e-mail to the BWA, Swarupananda Patra, General Secretary of the All Orissa Baptist Churches Federation, said, 'All Christian villages [are] empty in Kandhamal as Christians, old and young, sick and pregnant mothers [are] hiding in forests exposed to the non-stop monsoon rains without food. Kandhamal is the hardest hit, with at least eight Christians killed and almost all Christian homes demolished,' he reported. 'I appeal to the governing authorities in India to intervene to save the lives of the many who are being victimized in the current crisis,' BWA General Secretary Neville Callam said in a press release. 'Respect for the principle of religious liberty and the sacredness of human life requires nothing less'." 5
Eventually, during four months of violence, about 70 people died and 50,000 were displaced into refugee camps. 6
2010: Religion News Blog reported that over 1,000 anti-Christian attacks have ocurred in Karnataka state in southwest India -- "... once a symbol of Indias economic progress and of freedom [Karnataka] has now become a hub of right-wing Hindu extremism, according to the Evangelical Fellowship of India. Christian investigators say Christian persecution increased after the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) became Karnataka's main ruling party in 2008.
References used:
The following information sources were used to prepare and update the above essay. The hyperlinks are not necessarily still active today.
"Hindu given death for killing missionary," The New York Times, 2003-SEP-23, at: The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia
Religion Today news summary, 2000-JUN-13
Religion Today news summary, 2000-JUN-14
Robert Marus, "BWA officials condemn violence against Christians in Indian state," Associated Baptist Press, 2008-JAN-04, at: Associated Baptist Press - Home
"Reports: Several dead in India after Hindu-Christian clashes," Associated Baptist Press, 2008-AUG-27, at: Associated Baptist Press - Home
Priya Abraham, "Uncharitable Giving," The Washington Times, 2009-FEB-08.
"Over 1,000 anti-Christian attacks in Indian State, report," Religion News
Last week you told us you was only on here because of your friends. Look you are behaving like a burnt weasel. Look at the poor quality dross you and your countryman post on here. Then when you get a slap back you cry like a little pansy. Stop throwing stones coz you will get bricks thrown back. Its PDF some posting low quality posts against your host dont you have any manners?
Now on topic - I will never generalize about a whole nation and wont encourage this either.
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Examples of Hindu-Muslim violence:
1992: Some Hindus burned down a 16th century mosque in the northern Indian town of Ayodhya. Their plan was to build a Hindu temple on the site, which is sacred to followers of both religions. This action has resulted in the occasional outburst of rioting:
1993: Hindu-Muslim riots in Mumbai (formerly Bombay) caused the deaths of 800 people.
2002-FEB-26: 58 people died during a fire on board a train in the western state of Gujarat. Most of the victims were Hindu pilgrims. Initially, Muslims were blamed for attacking the train and setting it on fire. However, subsequent evidence has shown that the fire was the result of an accident.
Belief that Muslims were responsible for the carnage motivated some Hindus to retaliate. Within five days, 499 people had been killed -- mostly Muslims. Many were burned to death. According to the New York Times, during the week of 2002-APR-22:
"... more than 40 people have perished in the continuing violence, in the western state of Gujarat. The official death toll in the last two months has risen to 900. More than 100,000 people, mostly Muslims, are estimated to have fled to relief camps. On Tuesday, [2002-APR-30] Parliament will debate whether the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party -- which has led a national coalition government for most of the last four years and controls the state of Gujarat, its last major state stronghold -- has been complicit in the carnage. ..."
"Indian officials were particularly stung by the leak of a confidential assessment by British diplomats who estimated the death toll at 2,000, more than twice the official tally, and said the anti-Muslim violence had been planned and carried out with the state government's support."
Many Muslim victims have testified:
"that the mobs were led by people from the Bharatiya Janata Party and other organizations in its Hindu nationalist family, particularly the World Hindu Congress and its youth wing, the Bajrang Dal."1
2002-SEP-24: Radical fundamentalist Muslim extremists attacked the Swaminarayan temple. This Hindu temple is located on a 23 acre complex in Gandhinagar, the state capital of the Indian state of Gujarat. This temple is particularly popular to Hindus, Muslims, Jews and Christians alike, because it houses scriptures of all of the major world religions in its Hall of Harmony. It is a well-known cultural center visited by over two million people each year. By selecting this temple for attack, among all of the Hindu temples in India, the radical Muslim terrorists might have been aiming a blow against the concept of religious tolerance, rather than simply hoping to kill Hindus at prayer. Two extremists invaded the temple and murdered people indiscriminately. The total death toll was about 30, including the two terrorists, one Indian commando who died in the counterattack, and four chldren. Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee, his deputy Lal Krishnan Advani and opposition leader Sonia Gandhi quickly visited the temple together stressing the need for religious harmony and the avoidance of revenge attacks against Indian Muslims. The Hindu fundamentalist World Hindu Council has called for a state-wide strike. 2
References:
"Discord Over Killing of India Muslims Deepens," New York Times, 2002-APR-29 at: The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia
Sanjeev Srivastava, "Eyewitness: Gujarat's nightmare," 2002-SEP-26, at: BBC News - Home
Please dont whine to me about Indians or Pakistani being given biased treatment, You wanna complain.. use the damn management board. Smart alec.
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And you have every right as a member to post this on the management board or report it.
YOU CAN.. last time I checked.
You incredible indians really dont have to come on p-a-k-i-s-t-a-n-i forum if you dont like the rules?
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