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New research using ancient DNA is rewriting prehistory in India - and shows that its civilisation is the result of multiple ancient migrations, writes Tony Joseph.

Who are the Indians? And where did they come from?

In the last few years, the debate over these questions has become more and more heated.

Hindu right-wingers believe the source of Indian civilisation are people who called themselves Aryans - a nomadic tribe of horse-riding, cattle-rearing warriors and herders who composed Hinduism's oldest religious texts, the Vedas.

The Aryans, they argue, originated from India and then spread across large parts of Asia and Europe, helping set up the family of Indo-European languages that Europeans and Indians still speak today.

As it happens, many 19th Century European ethnographers and, of course, most famously, Adolf Hitler, also considered Aryans the master race who had conquered Europe, although the German leader considered them to be of Nordic lineage.

_104870985_gettyimages-122317469.jpg
Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES
Image captionThe Harappan civilisation thrived in north-western India and Pakistan
When scholars use the term Aryan, it refers to a group of people who spoke Indo-European languages and called themselves Aryans. And that is how I have used it in this article. It does not refer to a race, as Hitler used it or as some in the Hindu right wing use it.

Many Indian scholars have questioned the "out of India" thesis, arguing that these Indo-European language speakers - or Aryans - were possibly just one of many streams of prehistoric migrants who arrived in India after the decline of an earlier civilisation. This was the Harappan (or Indus Valley) civilisation, which thrived in what is now north-western India and Pakistan around the same time as the Egyptians and Mesopotamians.

However, Hindu right-wingers believe the Harappan civilisation was also an Aryan or Vedic civilisation.

Tensions between the two groups backing these opposing theories have only increased in the last few years, especially since the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) came to power in India in 2014.

Into this long-running dispute has now stepped the relatively new discipline of population genetics, which has started using ancient DNA to figure out when people moved where.

Studies using ancient DNA have been rewriting prehistory all over the world in the last few years and in India, there has been one fascinating discovery after another.

The most recent study on this subject, led by geneticist David Reich of Harvard University, was published in March 2018 and co-authored by 92 scholars from all over the world - many of them leading names in disciplines as diverse as genetics, history, archaeology and anthropology.

Underneath its staid title - The Genomic Formation of South and Central Asia - lay some volcanic arguments.

_104870987_gettyimages-136077425.jpg
Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES
Image captionDholavira in Gujarat state is one of the five largest Harappan sites
The study showed that there were two major migrations into India in the last 10,000 years.

The first one originated from the Zagros region in south-western Iran (which has the world's first evidence for goat domestication) and brought agriculturists, most likely herders, to India.

This would have been between 7,000 and 3,000BCE. These Zagrosian herders mixed with the earlier inhabitants of the subcontinent - the First Indians, descendants of the Out of Africa (OoA) migrants who had reached India around 65,000 years ago - and together, they went on to create the Harappan civilisation.

In the centuries after 2000 BCE came the second set of immigrants (the Aryans) from the Eurasian Steppe, probably from the region now known as Kazakhstan. They likely brought with them an early version of Sanskrit, mastery over horses and a range of new cultural practices such as sacrificial rituals, all of which formed the basis of early Hindu/Vedic culture. (A thousand years before, people from the Steppe had also moved into Europe, replacing and mixing with agriculturists there, spawning new cultures and spreading Indo-European languages).

Other genetic studies have brought to light more migrations into India, such as that of the speakers of Austro-Asiatic languages who came from south-eastern Asia.

_104872555_gettyimages-1063292494.jpg
Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES
Image captionIndia's population is made up of a number of layers, according to the research
As I write in my book, the best way to understand the Indian population is to imagine it as a pizza, with the first Indians forming its base. Though the base of this rather irregular pizza is thin in some places and thick in others, it still serves as the support that the rest of the pizza is built upon because studies show that 50% to 65% of the genetic ancestry of Indians derives from the First Indians.

On top of the base comes the sauce that is spread over the pizza - the Harappans. And then come the toppings and the cheese - the Austro-Asiatic, Tibeto-Burman and Indo-European language speakers or Aryans, all of whom found their way into the subcontinent later.

To many in the Hindu right wing, these findings are unpalatable. They have been campaigning to change school curricula and remove any mention of Aryan immigration from textbooks. And on Twitter, several hugely popular right-wing "history" handles have long been attacking India's leading historians who have defended the theory of Aryan migrations and continue to do so.

For Hindu nationalists, there is a cost to admitting that the Aryans were not the first inhabitants of India and that the Harappan civilisation existed long before their arrival. It would mean acknowledging that Aryans or their Vedic culture were not the singular fountainhead of Indian civilisation and that its earliest sources lay elsewhere.

India's junior minister for human resource development, Satyapal Singh, was recently quoted in the media as saying: "Only Vedic education can nurture our children well and make them patriots who have mental discipline."

The idea of the mixing of different population groups is also unappealing to Hindu nationalists as they put a premium on racial purity. There is also the additional issue of the migration theory putting Aryans on the same footing as latter-day Muslim conquerors of India - such as the Mughals.

_98512022_brahmin_getty976.jpg
Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES
Image captionYoung Brahmins training to be priests in Varanasi - India is a predominantly Hindu nation
These are not just theoretical debates. The ruling BJP government in Haryana state, which neighbours the Indian capital Delhi, has demanded that the Harappan civilisation be renamed the Saraswati river civilisation. Since the Saraswati is an important river that is mentioned in the earliest of the four Vedic texts, such a renaming would serve to emphasise the link between the civilisation and the Aryans.

The new study puts an end to these debates and it has thus come as a shock to the Hindu right-wing. In a tweet attacking its co-author Prof Reich, ruling party MP and former Harvard University professor Subramanian Swamy said: "There are lies, damned lies and (Harvard's 'Third' Reich and Co's) statistics."

However, the real message that the new research carries is an exciting and hopeful one: that Indians have created a long-lasting civilisation from a variety of heredities and histories.

The genius of the Indian civilisation during its best periods has been inclusion, not exclusion. Unity in diversity is, indeed, the central theme of India's genetic make-up.

Tony Joseph is the author of Early Indians: The Story of Our Ancestors and Where We Came From, published by Juggernaut

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-46616574
 
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The first one originated from the Zagros region in south-western Iran

Wow, I did not know that. I always assumed that after the original OOA arrivals to the region, there wasn't anybody else migrating here in substantial numbers until the Aryans came along.

They likely brought with them an early version of Sanskrit, mastery over horses and a range of new cultural practices such as sacrificial rituals, all of which formed the basis of early Hindu/Vedic culture.

It's probably more accurate to suggest a synthesis occurred between the Aryans and local people of the region to create the Vedic culture. I've heard there are some elements of proto-Vedic culture present in IVC (e.g bangles).

There is also the additional issue of the migration theory putting Aryans on the same footing as latter-day Muslim conquerors of India - such as the Mughals.

This is my favourite part of the theory, it shows those BJP idiots just how indigenous their darling Hinduism is to the region.
 
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The migration/invasion theory was already dominant barring ultra nationalist Hindus who like to claim everything originated from them. Excluding genetics history also gives us trends to follow. Where did the Hephtalites come from? Where did the Scythians come from? Where did thethe Khusanas come from? Where did the Mughals come from? Thousands of years of history tells us that there is a clear migration pattern present, and coupled with genetics there is no scope left for this out of india nonsense perpetuated by Hindutva nutcases like Swamy.
 
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It's interesting as only 1 DNA analysis led them to this hypothesis. There were 5 million people living in indus valley period.

It's a hyperbole, but seems more possible than OOI. People also forgetting the key difference between Aryans and Later Islamic migrants.

A) Aryans were not invaders, early Islamic rulers were.
B) Pakistani people are from same lot except for some who migrated to Sindh from Arab.
C) The books also brings into light the caste dynamics. As per this, caste distinction were visible after 100 CE due to political changes in India and around the world as we saw huge influx of later Central Asian nomadic tribes of scythians , huna , Greeks etc and rise of feudalism.

In last 2000 years countless people have died unnecessarily , which points you to the thought
.... What if they all died by now
 
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It's interesting as only 1 DNA analysis led them to this hypothesis. There were 5 million people living in indus valley period.

It's a hyperbole, but seems more possible than OOI. People also forgetting the key difference between Aryans and Later Islamic migrants.

A) Aryans were not invaders, early Islamic rulers were.
B) Pakistani people are from same lot except for some who migrated to Sindh from Arab.
C) The books also brings into light the caste dynamics. As per this, caste distinction were visible after 100 CE due to political changes in India and around the world as we saw huge influx of later Central Asian nomadic tribes of scythians , huna , Greeks etc and rise of feudalism.

In last 2000 years countless people have died unnecessarily , which points you to the thought
.... What if they all died by now
So you think that the waves descended into South Asia from the west had the exact same impact across this vast region? If a event happens in Balochistan it has zero or limited effect on Bengal. If a event happens in Punjab it has zero or limited effect on Tamil Nadu. If a event happens in Sindh it has limited effect on Odisha. And this is today with modern transport/communications.

Using the pizza example given even if the base was same [which is highly improbable] the layers that came were spread out unequally and that explains the differantiated nature of of the South Asian populations. That is why most people can see differance between a Sikh from Amritsar and a person from Tamil Nadu.
 
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So you think that the waves descended into South Asia from the west had the exact same impact across this vast region? If a event happens in Balochistan it has zero or limited effect on Bengal. If a event happens in Punjab it has zero or limited effect on Tamil Nadu. If a event happens in Sindh it has limited effect on Odisha. And this is today with modern transport/communications.

Using the pizza example given even if the base was same [which is highly improbable] the layers that came were spread out unequally and that explains the differantiated nature of of the South Asian populations. That is why most people can see differance between a Sikh from Amritsar and a person from Tamil Nadu.

Depends on what is the topic of debate .

Oil prices shrinking or rising both send shivers down the spines of respective countries. We live in a global world. One simple meltdown is enough to submerge everyone in its path.

Your comment is based on lack of facts.

Why an average Amritsarii looks different from tamilian has got to do with lot of stuff from what we eat to what geography we live into to stuff....
 
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Depends on what is the topic of debate .

Oil prices shrinking or rising both send shivers down the spines of respective countries. We live in a global world. One simple meltdown is enough to submerge everyone in its path.

Your comment is based on lack of facts.

Why an average Amritsarii looks different from tamilian has got to do with lot of stuff from what we eat to what geography we live into to stuff....

On the subjects of looks,

Should the theory be substantiated with further evidence, how ( if at all ) will Hindu history be able to reconcile ?
 
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The migration/invasion theory was already dominant barring ultra nationalist Hindus who like to claim everything originated from them. Excluding genetics history also gives us trends to follow. Where did the Hephtalites come from? Where did the Scythians come from? Where did thethe Khusanas come from? Where did the Mughals come from? Thousands of years of history tells us that there is a clear migration pattern present, and coupled with genetics there is no scope left for this out of india nonsense perpetuated by Hindutva nutcases like Swamy.

You would think that with overwhelming evidence that Hindu nationalist would accept reality. But don’t hold your breath, the Hinduva is a sick cult. They need to keep up this fiction for political power. And to maintain caste and oppression in India.
 
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The three ancient civilisations of Mesopotamia, Egyt and Indus Vally are considered to be discontinued cultures. Now the article provided genetic evidence and it explains how the Harappans were substitued by newer migrants. Among the folk that came into the subcontinent were perhaps the C-clan or C-P92 who are mostly living in present day Gujarat. Who knows if these folks were direct decendants of Harappan people?

The present day Hindus might or might not even be the direct decendants of the original Aryan invaders who spoke and wrote in Sanscript. Hinduism was a religion only formed around the 8th-9th century. You are not at all connected with the sacred "airplanes" or "internet" around the subcontinent thousands years ago...
 
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I asked "How" will they reconcile ?

I don't know :undecided:

Let the sands of time decide that.

The three ancient civilisations of Mesopotamia, Egyt and Indus Vally are considered to be discontinued cultures. Now the article provided genetic evidence and it explains how the Harappans were substitued by newer migrants. Among the folk that came into the subcontinent were perhaps the C-clan or C-P92 who are mostly living in present day Gujarat. Who knows if these folks were direct decendants of Harappan people?

The present day Hindus might or might not even be the direct decendants of the original Aryan invaders who spoke and wrote in Sanscript. Hinduism was a religion only formed around the 8th-9th century. You are not at all connected with the sacred "airplanes" or "internet" around the subcontinent thousands years ago...

Not all Indians have R1a and its variants.
Most prominently they occur among North and Northwest Indians. As they move towards Bengal and south, less R1à and its variants as per one study.

Well this thesis isn't a line on rock. More study is needed.

The three ancient civilisations of Mesopotamia, Egyt and Indus Vally are considered to be discontinued cultures. Now the article provided genetic evidence and it explains how the Harappans were substitued by newer migrants. Among the folk that came into the subcontinent were perhaps the C-clan or C-P92 who are mostly living in present day Gujarat. Who knows if these folks were direct decendants of Harappan people?

The present day Hindus might or might not even be the direct decendants of the original Aryan invaders who spoke and wrote in Sanscript. Hinduism was a religion only formed around the 8th-9th century. You are not at all connected with the sacred "airplanes" or "internet" around the subcontinent thousands years ago...

Hinduism as you see is Puranic and is a late ancient phenomena. Hinduism as a religion was identified by British but that doesnt mean it was created by British in modern times.
 
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New research using ancient DNA is rewriting prehistory in India - and shows that its civilisation is the result of multiple ancient migrations, writes Tony Joseph.

Who are the Indians? And where did they come from?

In the last few years, the debate over these questions has become more and more heated.

Hindu right-wingers believe the source of Indian civilisation are people who called themselves Aryans - a nomadic tribe of horse-riding, cattle-rearing warriors and herders who composed Hinduism's oldest religious texts, the Vedas.

The Aryans, they argue, originated from India and then spread across large parts of Asia and Europe, helping set up the family of Indo-European languages that Europeans and Indians still speak today.

As it happens, many 19th Century European ethnographers and, of course, most famously, Adolf Hitler, also considered Aryans the master race who had conquered Europe, although the German leader considered them to be of Nordic lineage.

_104870985_gettyimages-122317469.jpg
Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES
Image captionThe Harappan civilisation thrived in north-western India and Pakistan
When scholars use the term Aryan, it refers to a group of people who spoke Indo-European languages and called themselves Aryans. And that is how I have used it in this article. It does not refer to a race, as Hitler used it or as some in the Hindu right wing use it.

Many Indian scholars have questioned the "out of India" thesis, arguing that these Indo-European language speakers - or Aryans - were possibly just one of many streams of prehistoric migrants who arrived in India after the decline of an earlier civilisation. This was the Harappan (or Indus Valley) civilisation, which thrived in what is now north-western India and Pakistan around the same time as the Egyptians and Mesopotamians.

However, Hindu right-wingers believe the Harappan civilisation was also an Aryan or Vedic civilisation.

Tensions between the two groups backing these opposing theories have only increased in the last few years, especially since the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) came to power in India in 2014.

Into this long-running dispute has now stepped the relatively new discipline of population genetics, which has started using ancient DNA to figure out when people moved where.

Studies using ancient DNA have been rewriting prehistory all over the world in the last few years and in India, there has been one fascinating discovery after another.

The most recent study on this subject, led by geneticist David Reich of Harvard University, was published in March 2018 and co-authored by 92 scholars from all over the world - many of them leading names in disciplines as diverse as genetics, history, archaeology and anthropology.

Underneath its staid title - The Genomic Formation of South and Central Asia - lay some volcanic arguments.

_104870987_gettyimages-136077425.jpg
Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES
Image captionDholavira in Gujarat state is one of the five largest Harappan sites
The study showed that there were two major migrations into India in the last 10,000 years.

The first one originated from the Zagros region in south-western Iran (which has the world's first evidence for goat domestication) and brought agriculturists, most likely herders, to India.

This would have been between 7,000 and 3,000BCE. These Zagrosian herders mixed with the earlier inhabitants of the subcontinent - the First Indians, descendants of the Out of Africa (OoA) migrants who had reached India around 65,000 years ago - and together, they went on to create the Harappan civilisation.

In the centuries after 2000 BCE came the second set of immigrants (the Aryans) from the Eurasian Steppe, probably from the region now known as Kazakhstan. They likely brought with them an early version of Sanskrit, mastery over horses and a range of new cultural practices such as sacrificial rituals, all of which formed the basis of early Hindu/Vedic culture. (A thousand years before, people from the Steppe had also moved into Europe, replacing and mixing with agriculturists there, spawning new cultures and spreading Indo-European languages).

Other genetic studies have brought to light more migrations into India, such as that of the speakers of Austro-Asiatic languages who came from south-eastern Asia.

_104872555_gettyimages-1063292494.jpg
Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES
Image captionIndia's population is made up of a number of layers, according to the research
As I write in my book, the best way to understand the Indian population is to imagine it as a pizza, with the first Indians forming its base. Though the base of this rather irregular pizza is thin in some places and thick in others, it still serves as the support that the rest of the pizza is built upon because studies show that 50% to 65% of the genetic ancestry of Indians derives from the First Indians.

On top of the base comes the sauce that is spread over the pizza - the Harappans. And then come the toppings and the cheese - the Austro-Asiatic, Tibeto-Burman and Indo-European language speakers or Aryans, all of whom found their way into the subcontinent later.

To many in the Hindu right wing, these findings are unpalatable. They have been campaigning to change school curricula and remove any mention of Aryan immigration from textbooks. And on Twitter, several hugely popular right-wing "history" handles have long been attacking India's leading historians who have defended the theory of Aryan migrations and continue to do so.

For Hindu nationalists, there is a cost to admitting that the Aryans were not the first inhabitants of India and that the Harappan civilisation existed long before their arrival. It would mean acknowledging that Aryans or their Vedic culture were not the singular fountainhead of Indian civilisation and that its earliest sources lay elsewhere.

India's junior minister for human resource development, Satyapal Singh, was recently quoted in the media as saying: "Only Vedic education can nurture our children well and make them patriots who have mental discipline."

The idea of the mixing of different population groups is also unappealing to Hindu nationalists as they put a premium on racial purity. There is also the additional issue of the migration theory putting Aryans on the same footing as latter-day Muslim conquerors of India - such as the Mughals.

_98512022_brahmin_getty976.jpg
Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES
Image captionYoung Brahmins training to be priests in Varanasi - India is a predominantly Hindu nation
These are not just theoretical debates. The ruling BJP government in Haryana state, which neighbours the Indian capital Delhi, has demanded that the Harappan civilisation be renamed the Saraswati river civilisation. Since the Saraswati is an important river that is mentioned in the earliest of the four Vedic texts, such a renaming would serve to emphasise the link between the civilisation and the Aryans.

The new study puts an end to these debates and it has thus come as a shock to the Hindu right-wing. In a tweet attacking its co-author Prof Reich, ruling party MP and former Harvard University professor Subramanian Swamy said: "There are lies, damned lies and (Harvard's 'Third' Reich and Co's) statistics."

However, the real message that the new research carries is an exciting and hopeful one: that Indians have created a long-lasting civilisation from a variety of heredities and histories.

The genius of the Indian civilisation during its best periods has been inclusion, not exclusion. Unity in diversity is, indeed, the central theme of India's genetic make-up.

Tony Joseph is the author of Early Indians: The Story of Our Ancestors and Where We Came From, published by Juggernaut

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-46616574

@Tokhme khar

As I said to you on the other thread ....

Cheers, Doc
 
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@Tokhme khar

As I said to you on the other thread ....

Cheers, Doc

In our Marxist historian books it has been written that Aryan came in waves. Those who settled later called the earlier Aryans, Dasas like divodasa and ling worshipers of the indus valley as dsyus. They all fought against each other.
 
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