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'Horrible': Christian churches throughout Egypt stormed, torched

Im talking about backlash. They just turned MB into an insurgent movement.

One of the primary financiers of the Tamarod anti-democracy movement is an Egyptian Copt who owns a major TV channel and several Egyptian media. The Coptic Pope has been vocal in his support of the anti-democracy thugs.

All of this doesn't justify the attacks on regular Copts, but the same Indians who are shedding crocodile tears here were the same ones justifying attacks on mosques in Britain/US because it is "understandable backlash".
 
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Seriously?? When was the last time other religions were having a good time under Islamic rule?

Through out history...just barring last century..since Muslims are still going through the process of struggle for freedom etc.

Muslims always treated minorities better than others in relative terms through out history....

We actually saved your "masters" from extinction at the hands of Europeans...talking about Jews...
 
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My bro, Someone had to do sth to stop this madness that has been going on for about 3 years. Egyptians stood up for the first time in 2011 after long decades of oppression and corruption, yet they paid dearly to get their own freedom. Afterthen, the revolution which was carried on by youth and poor people who are not members in any parties got hijacked by well organised parties that had little to do with the revolution like the MB and other opportunistics. They failed their very first experience with democracy and elected two candidates who reached the finals, the first was an another Mubarak and the second was an MB. Since most Egyptians knew Mubarak they turned to the MB who won with a slight majority and gave them a chance. Morsi started grabbing power to his own even more power than Mubarak had, and failed to fulfill his promises and yet turned Egyptian lives into worse.

Egyptians realized their mistake and determined to rescue their revolution. Someone had to step in at that moment to bail out the country and no one can do so but only the army. For your information, Egypt lost $83 bn from constant protests, lost state prestige, lack of services, security and almost every single aspect of life has been getting worse.

If Mosri still in power, Egypt will be collapsed.

Nevertheless, Egypt will get better. The peaceful treatment has messed up the country, the other only choice is to restore state prestige by avoiding killing innocents as much as possible. But those who attack and instigate has to be stopped.

Again, there was no other choice.

The flaws of democracy should be treated with more democracy not the other ways.
Mursi should had been given chances to complete his tenure and the election in 2 years time could determine his fate.

And I dont think Egypt would had collapsed if Morsi still on power. His opponent started opposing him from the very day he assumed power and never given him chances to run his country. This is no democracy. You have to accommodate dissent in a democracy not ignoring them. How many people Morsi killed while he was in power? I believe he is far better a democrat than who opposed him.
 
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You indians are biggest hypocrites or blind,can't see also many masjids were burned.

Now an american ''so called'' pakistani will come and defend indians.she loves india more than her own country.
 
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The media reports are subject to strict censorship and control by the Hosni Mubarak regime loyalists who still control most of the local media.

IPS – Egyptian Media Silences Protests | Inter Press Service

CAIRO, Aug 16 2013 (IPS) - As Egypt’s political crisis escalates, supporters of ousted president Mohamed Morsi accuse the local media – both state-run and private – of ignoring pro-Morsi demonstrations and covering up massive rights abuses.
“Egyptian television is desperately trying to cover up the murder of hundreds of unarmed protesters in Cairo’s Rabaa al-Adawiya Square,” leading Muslim Brotherhood member Qutb al-Arabi told IPS. “It’s even trying to portray slain demonstrators as ‘terrorists’.”

On Wednesday, Aug. 14, security forces in Cairo violently dispersed two six-week-old sit-ins staged by protesters demanding Morsi’s reinstatement. Using live ammunition and teargas, they eventually managed to clear both protest sites.

As of Thursday night, Aug. 15, Egypt’s health ministry put the number of those killed in Rabaa al-Adawiya Square – the larger of the two pro-Morsi sit-ins – at 288. The pro-Morsi National Alliance for the Defence of Legitimacy, however, puts the number in the thousands.

The veracity of either figure remains impossible to verify at this point.

The move ignited nationwide clashes between pro-Morsi demonstrators and security forces, the latter often in plainclothes. A number of police stations throughout the country were ransacked and torched.

The state press, meanwhile, along with most private Egyptian media outlets, praised the security operation against the “terrorists” who had “threatened national security.” Egyptian television showed weapons it claimed had been found at the two protest sites.

“Local media has consistently tried to paint peaceful demonstrators as violent terrorists without producing credible proof of its claims,” said al-Arabi. Reports of alleged weapons found at the two sit-ins, he asserted, had been fabricated by security forces in cooperation with a compliant media.

Since Morsi’s Jul. 3 ouster by the military, nationwide demonstrations demanding his reinstatement have remained largely peaceful in nature, with protesters frequently repeating the chant “Salmiya”, which means “Peaceful”.

Egyptian media has also tried play down the numbers of – or entirely ignore – the ongoing series of demonstrations by the ousted president’s supporters.

“Massive numbers of Egyptians are on the streets nationwide to demand the restoration of democratic legitimacy and to condemn Wednesday’s massacre,” al-Arabi said. “But exact numbers are impossible to gauge because pro-Morsi rallies, especially those outside Cairo, aren’t getting any media coverage.”

Hasan Ali, professor of media at Cairo University, supported al-Arabi’s view.

“Since Morsi’s ouster, the Egyptian media has scrupulously ignored pro-Morsi rallies and marches, regardless of their size, and focused exclusively on anti-Morsi activity,” he told IPS. “In this regard, it has lost any semblance of objectivity or professionalism.”

“Egyptian television is completely ignoring our demonstrations in hope of convincing the public there’s no popular opposition to the military coup,” Mahmoud Sallem, a 30-year-old engineer and pro-Morsi demonstrator told IPS from the Rabaa al-Adawiya sit-in shortly before its dispersal.

On Aug. 5, authorities banned Yemeni Nobel Peace Prize laureate Tawakul Kerman – who had planned a solidarity visit to Rabaa al-Adawayia – from entering Egypt. The following day, she declared: “Only those that support Egypt’s military coup are given a voice in the media.”

According to the Brotherhood’s al-Arabi, who is also a member of Egypt’s Supreme Council for Journalism (responsible for the administration of the state press), said the ongoing news blackout on pro-Morsi activity was part of a larger media campaign against Egypt’s Islamist camp.

“After the coup, the state press immediately stopped publishing anything by Islamist-leaning writers, while all state-run television channels – and most private ones – stopped hosting Islamist-leaning guests,” he said.

Following Morsi’s ouster last month, authorities immediately closed all Islamist television channels, accusing them of “inciting violence”. Security forces also raided Al Jazeera’s Cairo offices, similarly accusing the channel of broadcasting “incitement”.

Prominent private channels known for pursuing a vehemently anti-Islamist line, were left untouched. Based in Egypt’s Media Production City on Cairo’s outskirts, these channels are owned largely by prominent businessmen known to have close associations with the ousted Hosni Mubarak regime.

“These channels, especially ONtv and CBC, are owned by the same forces that led the smear campaign against President Morsi before his ouster,” said al-Arabi. “They also played a central role in mobilising the public for the anti-Morsi rallies on Jun. 30 that preceded the coup.”

Early this month, dozens of pro-Morsi demonstrators were arrested when they attempted to stage a sit-in outside the MPC to demand a “purge” of the media.

Meanwhile, the small handful of non-Egyptian television channels covering the pro-Morsi demonstrations has been subject to frequent harassment and interference.

On Tuesday night, Aug. 13, the Gaza-based Al-Quds television channel reported that its Cairo office had been raided and an employee detained by Egyptian security forces. Al-Quds, one of very few channels covering pro-Morsi demonstrations, is run by Palestinian resistance group Hamas, an ideological offshoot of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood.

Last year, Morsi – the Brotherhood’s candidate – became the country’s first-ever freely elected president. On Jul. 3 of this year, he was ousted by Egypt’s powerful military establishment after massive protests against his administration in Cairo’s Tahrir Square.

Morsi’s detractors call his ouster a “second revolution” along the lines of Egypt’s January 2011 uprising that ended the Mubarak regime. Morsi’s supporters call it a “military coup” against Egypt’s elected president; a “counter-revolution” waged by Mubarak’s “deep state.”

Aside from Al-Quds, the few other channels covering pro-Morsi rallies – including Al Jazeera, Jordan-based Al-Yarmouk and London-based Al-Hiwar – have all seen their signals scrambled in recent weeks. The Al Jazeera channels that frequently cover pro-Morsi rallies, especially the network’s 24-hour live Egypt channel, Jazeera Mubasher, all remain subject to frequent interference.

The fight for the airwaves has taken on an international dimension.

Ali pointed to an ongoing “media war” between Al Jazeera, based in Muslim Brotherhood-friendly Qatar, and the Saudi-owned Al-Arabiya, based in the staunchly anti-Brotherhood United Arab Emirates (UAE). On Wednesday, the UAE voiced its full support for the “sovereign measures” taken by Egyptian authorities against the pro-Morsi sit-ins.

Despite a government-declared state of emergency, the Brotherhood-led National Alliance for the Defence of Legitimacy has called for more demonstrations on Friday, Aug. 16.

Along with Morsi’s reinstatement, demonstrators demand the restoration of Egypt’s suspended constitution and dissolved Shura Council (upper house of parliament) and the prosecution of those responsible for killing peaceful protesters.
 
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Another example of (some, but too many) muslims being unable to respect even the human rights of other religions and subcultures :hitwall:
They way you discribe it,sounds like you hate muslims.
Look at those countries where it happens.
You will not see many educated muslims doing that kind of thing.
Niet iedereen over een kam scheren,make a difference between nations instead of calling the religion.
 
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They way discribe it,sounds like you hate muslims.
Look at those countries where it happens.
You will not see many educated muslims doing that kind of thing.
Niet iedereen over een kam scheren,make a difference between nations instead of calling the religion.

I don't hate muslims, I only hate extremists who oppress other (sub-)cultures with threats of violence, actual violence, and more.

And I know very well extremist muslims are a minority among a much larger group of 'moderate' muslims. I do think 'the moderates' are not doing enough (yet) to stop the spread of extremist muslim 'views'. May I humbly call again for all extremist muslim websites to just be blocked off the internet? Or better yet, replaced with convincing indoctrination towards respect for other (sub-)cultures and religions?

The flaws of democracy should be treated with more democracy not the other ways.
Mursi should had been given chances to complete his tenure and the election in 2 years time could determine his fate.


And I dont think Egypt would had collapsed if Morsi still on power. His opponent started opposing him from the very day he assumed power and never given him chances to run his country. This is no democracy. You have to accommodate dissent in a democracy not ignoring them. How many people Morsi killed while he was in power? I believe he is far better a democrat than who opposed him.

I couldn't have put it better myself..
 
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And the Christians support al-Qaeda against Egypt and Syria

good good now taste the rebound effect
 
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I don't hate muslims, I only hate extremists who oppress other (sub-)cultures with threats of violence, actual violence, and more.

And I know very well extremist muslims are a minority among a much larger group of 'moderate' muslims. I do think 'the moderates' are not doing enough (yet) to stop the spread of extremist muslim 'views'. May I humbly call again for all extremist muslim websites to just be blocked off the internet? Or better yet, replaced with convincing indoctrination towards respect for other (sub-)cultures and religions?
I think you didnt get the point i was trying to make,just call out the countries where those extremists are.
99% of all muslims hate the extremists.
 
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Egypt has been badly messed up. The main problem is the difficulty introducing democracy to people who simply don't get it, especially in this time(indians don't get it either but we have grown accustomed to it). Everybody wants everything yesterday, they simply think protests are a substitute for governance. Elections have no sanctity and they want democracy.......... My own opinion has always been that democracy works best & probably only in secular countries. If the constitution is messed up, everything that follows is likely to be equally messed up. Egypt should have had a constitution that was secular and then even the MB would have been allowed to govern but with caveats, any fear of the minority/opposition would have found release in in-built pressure valves in the system itself. Otherwise there is always too much pressure from the core supporters to run with their agenda and too much fear of what might happen in the oposition. It happens in India (right wing hindu groups pressurising the BJP), happens in the U.S. (tea party & religious extremists pressurising the Republican party) but what keeps things moving is the constitution & the courts who are charged with protecting that. Knowing that the constitution will protect your rights prevents widespread panic & the disruptions that will automatically come with it. Egypt lacked that, the MB simply pushed too much on many of the party's core ideas & the resultant backlash was massive because the system had no in-built pressure releasers. Democracy is not just about elections, no idea however much supported by the majority should be rammed down the throats of the opposition. That idea though is from an evolved form of democracy & not always possible even in countries with long experience of it (U.S., India are good examples). Expecting Egypt to manage itself as a democracy without first building institutions was simply a recipe for failure. What has happened now is quite simply a burial of democracy & the start of a long & bitter struggle for power. The MB feels cheated & rightly so. Any challenge to their government must have been made through institutions & not by the mob & army working in tandem. All governments lose support, that is no basis for removing them before their time. Any government that is formed after whatever election in Egypt will face the same truth. A permanent state of revolution is not a recipe for nation building.
 
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Through out history...just barring last century..since Muslims are still going through the process of struggle for freedom etc.

Muslims always treated minorities better than others in relative terms through out history....

Maybe some muslim (rulers) did. But I've heard many reports of muslims oppressing minorities or sub-cultures or religions other than their own.
I've recently read an article on a Dutch news website that reports of Muslims (before the first crusades) regularly going from northern africa to southern europe to capture christian slaves there and bring them to africa for servitude.
I've also read US reports that claim the crusades that came after that were in part at least a response to oppression of Christians by muslims in the middle east (although i won't deny that there probably were other (more greedy?) motivations for the christian crusades into muslim lands as well)
 
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the only problem is behavior of Egyptians they can't tolerate lose in election they have high false pride and they think after they talk and do . highly emotional and unstable minds . if stupid sisi waited 4 more years no will will ever vote for MB 50 years like we did with PPP in pakistan .
 
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