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When the MoH were asked to submit their finding with proof, they simply pushed the story all around the garden path and all over the place.

A common and typical misdemeanor used by most civil servants in former British colonies and UK itself to pull wool over your eyes. Then let off with a pat on the wrist.
Mr Humphrey Applesby legacy.

Sorry in the age of the internet, they are not getting away so lightly.
 

李显龙:日本和邻国须翻过二战这一页​

2014年6月25日
新加坡总理李显龙(22/05/2014)

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图像加注文字,
李显龙呼吁日本及其邻国翻过二战这一页。
新加坡总理李显龙呼吁日本及其邻国翻过二战这一页,并称有关国家不断重提追溯二战时的历史问题,将恶化亚洲区内关系。
尽管中国和韩国对日本安倍政权在对待二战历史遗留问题上的态度提出了猛烈批评,但李显龙表示,作为日本的伙伴,新加坡对此的态度是“希望日本好”。
法新社引述李显龙说,“除非能翻过二战这一页,别再不断重提慰安妇、侵略、是否在战时存在恶劣行径,否则我认为(他们的关系)会继续痛苦”。
在华盛顿访问的李显龙在一个智库发表讲话说,日本不仅与中国的关系面临困难,而且与韩国的关系也困难,其原因之一是重提追溯至二战及二战前那些问题,但后者从来没有以欧洲在战后解决问题的方式予以适当解决。
路透社引述李显龙说,“因此,这其实是日本要做的一个主权选择”。他补充说,确信美国会敦促日本“小心谨慎从事,努力发展与邻国的关系”。
1993年,时任日本内阁官房长官河野洋平发表谈话,承认日军在二战期间强征“慰安妇”,并对此表示道歉和反省。这一谈话也成为以后日本历届政府在“慰安妇”问题上的官方立场。
安倍政府表示不会修改1993年“河野谈话”有关内容。但6月20日,安倍政府却公布了关于“河野谈话”出台过程的调查报告。报告称,“河野谈话”的内容和措辞当年曾受到韩国政府的干预,没有证据证实有关慰安妇的证词。
中国和韩国都强烈抨击日本政府就“河野谈话”的调查结果,指责日本在“慰安妇”问题上不愿正视历史、承担责任。
二战期间,日本从韩国、中国、台湾、菲律宾、印尼和其它地方强行征召了20多万妇女,充当日军慰安妇。
(编译/责编:萧尔)

Link below:

Above is just one water down not so contentious report by BBC on China Jap relation regarding WW II. Lee's position is basically Jap's position that is to ask its neighbours to forget about Jap's atrocities in Asia during WW II while Jap never show any remorse and apologies for their unforgivable anti-human war crimes. This position of SG is not acceptable to China or Korea !
 

李显龙:日本和邻国须翻过二战这一页​

2014年6月25日
新加坡总理李显龙(22/05/2014)

图像来源,AP
图像加注文字,
李显龙呼吁日本及其邻国翻过二战这一页。
新加坡总理李显龙呼吁日本及其邻国翻过二战这一页,并称有关国家不断重提追溯二战时的历史问题,将恶化亚洲区内关系。
尽管中国和韩国对日本安倍政权在对待二战历史遗留问题上的态度提出了猛烈批评,但李显龙表示,作为日本的伙伴,新加坡对此的态度是“希望日本好”。
法新社引述李显龙说,“除非能翻过二战这一页,别再不断重提慰安妇、侵略、是否在战时存在恶劣行径,否则我认为(他们的关系)会继续痛苦”。
在华盛顿访问的李显龙在一个智库发表讲话说,日本不仅与中国的关系面临困难,而且与韩国的关系也困难,其原因之一是重提追溯至二战及二战前那些问题,但后者从来没有以欧洲在战后解决问题的方式予以适当解决。
路透社引述李显龙说,“因此,这其实是日本要做的一个主权选择”。他补充说,确信美国会敦促日本“小心谨慎从事,努力发展与邻国的关系”。
1993年,时任日本内阁官房长官河野洋平发表谈话,承认日军在二战期间强征“慰安妇”,并对此表示道歉和反省。这一谈话也成为以后日本历届政府在“慰安妇”问题上的官方立场。
安倍政府表示不会修改1993年“河野谈话”有关内容。但6月20日,安倍政府却公布了关于“河野谈话”出台过程的调查报告。报告称,“河野谈话”的内容和措辞当年曾受到韩国政府的干预,没有证据证实有关慰安妇的证词。
中国和韩国都强烈抨击日本政府就“河野谈话”的调查结果,指责日本在“慰安妇”问题上不愿正视历史、承担责任。
二战期间,日本从韩国、中国、台湾、菲律宾、印尼和其它地方强行征召了20多万妇女,充当日军慰安妇。
(编译/责编:萧尔)

Link below:

Above is just one water down not so contentious report by BBC on China Jap relation regarding WW II. Lee's position is basically Jap's position that is to ask its neighbours to forget about Jap's atrocities in Asia during WW II while Jap never show any remorse and apologies for their unforgivable anti-human war crimes. This position of SG is not acceptable to China or Korea !

Where?

新加坡总理李显龙呼吁日本及其邻国翻过二战这一页,并称有关国家不断重提追溯二战时的历史问题,将恶化亚洲区内关系。
法新社引述李显龙说,“除非能翻过二战这一页,别再不断重提慰安妇、侵略、是否在战时存在恶劣行径,否则我认为(他们的关系)会继续痛苦”。

He's urging East Asia to look forward and put the past behind. But you twist it like he's an apologist for Japanese WW2 atrocities like a Japanese right-winger when he has family members who are victims.


SINGAPORE – Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong has urged Japan to admit to its misdeeds from World War II so it can play a more active role in the region.

“Japan needs to acknowledge past wrongs, and Japanese public opinion needs to be more forthright in rejecting the more outrageous interpretations of history by right-wing academics and politicians,” Lee said in a keynote speech at Friday’s opening of the Asia Security Summit conference, also known as the Shangri-La Dialogue.

“Japan has already expressed remorse or apologies for the war in general terms,” he said. “But on specific issues like the ‘comfort women’ and the Nanjing Massacre, its positions have been less unequivocal.”

He observed that even though this year is the 70th anniversary of the end of WWII, it “continues to cast a shadow over relations between the old adversaries, in particular between Japan and its neighbors China and Korea.”

“After 70 years, it is past the time to put this history behind us properly, like the Europeans have done. This requires statesmanship and largeness of spirit on both sides.”

While Beijing and Seoul do not think Tokyo has done enough to atone for the suffering caused by its aggression, Lee urged them to “accept Japan’s acknowledgements and not demand that Japan apologize over and over again.”

“The history of the war should not be used to put Japan on the defensive or to perpetuate enmities to future generations,” he said. “Such a reconciliation will also help Japan to become a normal country if it wishes to be.”
 
Where?




He's urging East Asia to look forward and put the past behind. But you twist it like he's an apologist for Japanese WW2 atrocities like a Japanese right-winger.


SINGAPORE – Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong has urged Japan to admit to its misdeeds from World War II so it can play a more active role in the region.

“Japan needs to acknowledge past wrongs, and Japanese public opinion needs to be more forthright in rejecting the more outrageous interpretations of history by right-wing academics and politicians,” Lee said in a keynote speech at Friday’s opening of the Asia Security Summit conference, also known as the Shangri-La Dialogue.

“Japan has already expressed remorse or apologies for the war in general terms,” he said. “But on specific issues like the ‘comfort women’ and the Nanjing Massacre, its positions have been less unequivocal.”

He observed that even though this year is the 70th anniversary of the end of WWII, it “continues to cast a shadow over relations between the old adversaries, in particular between Japan and its neighbors China and Korea.”

“After 70 years, it is past the time to put this history behind us properly, like the Europeans have done. This requires statesmanship and largeness of spirit on both sides.”

While Beijing and Seoul do not think Tokyo has done enough to atone for the suffering caused by its aggression, Lee urged them to “accept Japan’s acknowledgements and not demand that Japan apologize over and over again.”

“The history of the war should not be used to put Japan on the defensive or to perpetuate enmities to future generations,” he said. “Such a reconciliation will also help Japan to become a normal country if it wishes to be.”
Can you read Chinese ?

新加坡总理李显龙呼吁日本及其邻国翻过二战这一页,并称有关国家不断重提追溯二战时的历史问题,将恶化亚洲区内关系。

法新社引述李显龙说,“除非能翻过二战这一页,别再不断重提慰安妇、侵略、是否在战时存在恶劣行径,否则我认为(他们的关系)会继续痛苦”。


He is clearly asking China and Korea to forget Japs' atrocities in Asia in WW II. He is blaming bad relations with Japan on its neighbours keep mentioning and holding Japs responsible for their crimes at least on this occasion. You are just choosing to ignore what Lee has said in the report or you don't understand Chinese plain and simple.
 
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Can you read Chinese ?

新加坡总理李显龙呼吁日本及其邻国翻过二战这一页,并称有关国家不断重提追溯二战时的历史问题,将恶化亚洲区内关系。

法新社引述李显龙说,“除非能翻过二战这一页,别再不断重提慰安妇、侵略、是否在战时存在恶劣行径,否则我认为(他们的关系)会继续痛苦”。


He is clearly asking China and Korea to forget Japs' atrocities in Asia in WW II. He is blaming bad relations with Japan on its neighbours keep mentioning and holding Japs responsible for their crimes at at least on this occasion. You are just choosing to ignore what Lee has said in the report or you don't understand Chinese plain and simple.

Putting the past behind isn't the same as forgetting the atrocities they committed.

I've put up a link which he urges Japan to come clean and face history (what's more reported by a Japanese media). Yet you prefer to read selectively and harp on 2 lines by the BBC which didn't provide any context just to support your original argument.
 
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Why don't you SG condemn Japs for their crimes, instead blaming on Chinese and Koreans also ?

Erm, did you even read what I posted above? Twice somemore?


Lee urges Japan to come clean on WWII atrocities


SINGAPORE – Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong has urged Japan to admit to its misdeeds from World War II so it can play a more active role in the region.

“Japan needs to acknowledge past wrongs, and Japanese public opinion needs to be more forthright in rejecting the more outrageous interpretations of history by right-wing academics and politicians,” Lee said in a keynote speech at Friday’s opening of the Asia Security Summit conference, also known as the Shangri-La Dialogue.

“Japan has already expressed remorse or apologies for the war in general terms,” he said. “But on specific issues like the ‘comfort women’ and the Nanjing Massacre, its positions have been less unequivocal.”

He observed that even though this year is the 70th anniversary of the end of WWII, it “continues to cast a shadow over relations between the old adversaries, in particular between Japan and its neighbors China and Korea.”

“After 70 years, it is past the time to put this history behind us properly, like the Europeans have done. This requires statesmanship and largeness of spirit on both sides.”

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Erm, did you even read what I posted above? Twice somemore?
I mean on this occasion when he was speaking to Americans in US. This attitude of SG on Japs' atrocities in WW II created a huge uproar in China and Chinese in the world at the time and if you ever followed any Chinese news you couldn't miss it at the time.
 
I mean on this occasion when he was speaking to Americans in US. This attitude of SG on Japs' atrocities in WW II created a huge uproar in China and Chinese in the world at the time and if you ever followed any Chinese news you couldn't miss it at the time.

Did those Chinese 自媒体 provide the context? I've seen plenty of 自媒体 twisting the narrative so as to create tensions and capture more eyeballs and 流量, and of course I've seen plenty of such reporting on SG as well.

The notion that Lee Hsien Loong is an apologist for Japanese atrocities is absolutely nonsensical, never mind whether it is reported by BBC or the Chinese media, in US or Japan.

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Did those Chinese 自媒体 provide the context? I've seen plenty of 自媒体 twisting the narrative so as to create tensions and capture more eyeballs and 流量, and of course I've seen plenty of such reporting on SG as well.

The notion that Lee Hsien Loong is an apologist for Japanese atrocities is absolutely nonsensical, never mind whether it is reported by BBC or the Chinese media, in US or Japan.

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No, the incident was also widely reported on Chinese mainstream conventional media such as newspapers and TV alongside with free media. This news couldn't be fake. That makes sense becos SG was trying to tie it's future with US and Japan's Pivot to Asia policies at that time unlike today SG is taking on a more balanced approach between USA and China. AT that time, USA was on Obama's watch, SG was very close to USA and Japan.
 
No, the incident was also widely reported on Chinese mainstream conventional media such as newspapers and TV alongside with free media. This news couldn't be fake. That makes sense becos SG was trying to tie it's future with US and Japan's Pivot to Asia policies at that time unlike today SG is taking on a more balanced approach between USA and China. AT that time, USA was on Obama's watch, SG was very close to USA and Japan.

We are always close to the US and Japan. But even so, LKY from time to time called out BS on the US on certain issues. There is absolutely no need for the PM to become a war apologist to curry favour with Japan, which is topkek to anyone who have an ounce of critical thinking. That's just how you or your media perceived his statement. I've already provided the rebuttal above which indicates otherwise.

Let's not further derail the thread, which is a discussion on vaccines.
 
We are always close to the US and Japan. But even so, LKY from time to time called out BS on the US on certain issues. There is absolutely no need for the PM to become a war apologist to curry favour with Japan, which is topkek to anyone who have an ounce of critical thinking. That's just how you or your media perceived his statement. I've already provided the rebuttal above which indicates otherwise.

Let's not further derail the thread, which is a discussion on vaccines.
The Chinese media just reported what had been said by your PM, that's the truth, and the matter is not funny ! It's just you who just can't comprehend why he said that.
 
The Chinese media just reported what had been said by your PM, that's the truth, and the matter is not funny ! It's just you who just can't comprehend why he said that.

That's the crux of the issue. The Chinese media is the gospel truth? Can you please exercise some critical thinking?
 
That's the crux of the issue. The Chinese media is the gospel truth? Can you please exercise some critical thinking?
So, with no good reason. you choose not to believe in what is reported in the media including a Western BBC is called critical thinking ? You call the source media all farce ? You just can't accept the truth that damages your SG and call Chinese don't think becos they don't agree with you whites lackeys' point of view ? You are the one who is twisting and smudging things around.
 
So, with no good reason. you choose not to believe in what is reported in the media including a Western BBC is called critical thinking ? You call the source media all farce ? You just can't accept the truth that damages your SG and call Chinese don't think becos they don't agree with you whites lackeys' point of view ? You are the one who is twisting and smudging things around.

Lol ok, if you believe he's an apologist despite me pointing out the facts, then so be it.

Get back on topic.
 
Lol, what a try hard. You guys are grasping at straws to make an obvious losing argument substantiated by other international findings.

It's okay. Good luck.
pretty big straws when you consider certain pre-existing conditions increase risk of severe illness and death by 2(heart diease) to 10(lung disease) times. It's pretty clear now that mRNA vaccines offer more protection. I was just point out you don't have any data to backup your ridicules claim of ~13.4x
So you mean to say mRNA vaccines are ~13.4x more effective then Sinovac in preventing deaths in HK so far?
 

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