History of Taiwan

[Suika]

V. After the establishment of the Yuan Dynasty, the Central Government further strengthened the management of Taiwan. Yuan Shizu Emperor (Kublai khan,元世祖) sent officers to Taiwan and set up the Penghu Patrol Department in Penghu, under the jurisdiction of Tong'an County, City of Quanzhou,Fujian Province (now Fujian's Xiamen). .元朝建立后，中央政府进一步加强对台湾的管理。元世祖曾派员到台湾宣抚，并在澎湖设澎湖巡检司，隶属福建泉州路同安县（今福建厦门）。

VI. In the early Ming Dynasty, the Central Government still set up the Penghu Inspection Department. It was abolished in 1387 because of the ban imposed by the Central Government. In 1563, the Central Government re-established the Penghu Inspection Department due to considerations of law and order in the coastal areas.(明朝初期,中央政府仍然设立了澎湖巡检司，直至1387年，因中央政府实施海禁而废除，1563年，由于考量沿海治安等因素，中央政府重新设立了澎湖巡检司。)


For you even Terra-Cotta Warriors of QIN empire( 221 BC) is fake as well

Real statues with great history, but your Yuan and early Ming paragraphs are fake.
An article about fake history making for the purpose of geo-politics.

The substance of history is facts. A piece of history can only be regarded as such if there is tried and trusted documentation to support it.

A media personality recently said in an article that Taiwan was governed by China’s Song, Yuan and Ming dynasties. He also said that Chinese pirate and trader Cheng Chih-lung (鄭芝龍) came to Taiwan in 1621 and asked the Chinese government for permission to emigrate to Taiwan in 1628, and that warlord Koxinga (鄭成功) wrote “Taiwan is an inheritance from our ancestors” in his declaration of war on the Dutch in 1660.

This is all nonsense. None of these are historical facts. Documentation from the Song, Yuan and Ming dynasties show no records of them governing Taiwan. Cheng followed in Chinese Peter’s (顏思齊) footsteps, arriving in Taiwan in October 1624, two months after the Dutch did so at the Ming’s request. Cheng’s emigration to Taiwan in 1628 was completely fabricated. Koxinga’s 1660 declaration did say “Taiwan is an inheritance from our ancestors,” but it was a lie, without which he had no excuse to start a war with the Dutch.

Taiwan and China have been like two parallel lines, extending independently through time. The two separate lines only met between the 17th and 19th centuries; neither governed the other before or after this period.

Due to political motives, Taiwan’s history has been considerably falsified. Hence, not many people understand the historical facts between Taiwan and China.

Two examples spring to mind:

First, Kublai Khan (忽必烈) sent officials to the Ryukyu Kingdom in 1292 to demand its loyalty to the Yuan Dynasty, but the officials ended up in Taiwan and mistook it for Okinawa, home to the Ryuku Kingdom. After they arrived in Taiwan, they were unable to communicate with the Taiwanese because of the language barrier. After three soldiers were killed, the delegation immediately retreated to Quanzhou in China. How can such a major event, as recorded officially in the Yuan Dynasty’s history, prove that Yuan once governed Taiwan?

Second, the patriarch and also the first emperor of the Ming Dynasty, Chu Yuan-chang (朱元璋), issued a decree on the day of his ascension to the throne in 1638, ordering future generations to restrain themselves from greed and military attacks on other nations, for “a vast territory is not the key to sustainability.” He mentioned 15 nations that must never be invaded by his people and Taiwan was one of them. At that time, Taiwan was called “Little Ryukyu” and this was the first time in history that Taiwan’s political relationship with China was mentioned.

When did Taiwan and China stop being two separate states? It happened between 1683, when Cheng’s Tung Ning Kingdom was annihilated by the Qing Dynasty, and 1895, when Taiwan was ceded to Japan by the Qing: a span of 212 years.

However, China was destroyed long before Cheng’s regime in Taiwan was. In 1644, the Ming Dynasty came to an end. China was then ruled by the Qing until 1912. The Qing governed China for 268 years, during which Taiwan and China were both Qing colonies. The definition of colony can be found in UN Resolution 2908, dated Nov. 2, 1972.

Hence, Taiwan and China only shared a portion of history when they were both ruled by the Qing. China did not govern Taiwan; the Qing Dynasty established by Manchus governed Taiwan. Being colonies of the Qing is the only thing that Taiwan and China shared.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2015/10/26/2003630930

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

VII. In 1624, Dutch settlers (belonging to the Dutch East India Company） invaded southern Taiwan for the establishment of trade with China and Japan. From 1626 to 1642, Spanish colonists also invaded northern Taiwan and were later expelled by the Dutch. In the 38 years since its founding in Taiwan, the Dutch colonists built Zheleng city(Today Anping Castle) and Provintia city (now Chi Xian Fort ) as the center of colonial rule in Today Tainan City. Dutch colonialists imposed the rule of compulsion, forced the people to pay various taxes and taxes, looted Taiwan's rice and sugar, and re-exported the raw silk, sugar and porcelain it acquired through Taiwan to various countries for high profits.

 

[Place Of Space]

So you went from people that pass by are no good to people that decided to settle are no good. Your really pulling threads for distinguishing that somehow justify early Chinese activity as proof of ownership while excluding other cases. That is some extreme micromanaging of history to suit your preference.

Or we can speak in short. Though high degree of autonomy, as to international law, and fact, Taiwan is a part of China. Your govt is fool, but when you sit at the place, you will also do the same. Because you support Taiwan independence, you will be punished.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Real statues with great history, but your Yuan and early Ming paragraphs are fake.
An article about fake history making for the purpose of geo-politics.

The substance of history is facts. A piece of history can only be regarded as such if there is tried and trusted documentation to support it.

A media personality recently said in an article that Taiwan was governed by China’s Song, Yuan and Ming dynasties. He also said that Chinese pirate and trader Cheng Chih-lung (鄭芝龍) came to Taiwan in 1621 and asked the Chinese government for permission to emigrate to Taiwan in 1628, and that warlord Koxinga (鄭成功) wrote “Taiwan is an inheritance from our ancestors” in his declaration of war on the Dutch in 1660.

This is all nonsense. None of these are historical facts. Documentation from the Song, Yuan and Ming dynasties show no records of them governing Taiwan. Cheng followed in Chinese Peter’s (顏思齊) footsteps, arriving in Taiwan in October 1624, two months after the Dutch did so at the Ming’s request. Cheng’s emigration to Taiwan in 1628 was completely fabricated. Koxinga’s 1660 declaration did say “Taiwan is an inheritance from our ancestors,” but it was a lie, without which he had no excuse to start a war with the Dutch.

Taiwan and China have been like two parallel lines, extending independently through time. The two separate lines only met between the 17th and 19th centuries; neither governed the other before or after this period.

Due to political motives, Taiwan’s history has been considerably falsified. Hence, not many people understand the historical facts between Taiwan and China.

Two examples spring to mind:

First, Kublai Khan (忽必烈) sent officials to the Ryukyu Kingdom in 1292 to demand its loyalty to the Yuan Dynasty, but the officials ended up in Taiwan and mistook it for Okinawa, home to the Ryuku Kingdom. After they arrived in Taiwan, they were unable to communicate with the Taiwanese because of the language barrier. After three soldiers were killed, the delegation immediately retreated to Quanzhou in China. How can such a major event, as recorded officially in the Yuan Dynasty’s history, prove that Yuan once governed Taiwan?

Second, the patriarch and also the first emperor of the Ming Dynasty, Chu Yuan-chang (朱元璋), issued a decree on the day of his ascension to the throne in 1638, ordering future generations to restrain themselves from greed and military attacks on other nations, for “a vast territory is not the key to sustainability.” He mentioned 15 nations that must never be invaded by his people and Taiwan was one of them. At that time, Taiwan was called “Little Ryukyu” and this was the first time in history that Taiwan’s political relationship with China was mentioned.

When did Taiwan and China stop being two separate states? It happened between 1683, when Cheng’s Tung Ning Kingdom was annihilated by the Qing Dynasty, and 1895, when Taiwan was ceded to Japan by the Qing: a span of 212 years.

However, China was destroyed long before Cheng’s regime in Taiwan was. In 1644, the Ming Dynasty came to an end. China was then ruled by the Qing until 1912. The Qing governed China for 268 years, during which Taiwan and China were both Qing colonies. The definition of colony can be found in UN Resolution 2908, dated Nov. 2, 1972.

Hence, Taiwan and China only shared a portion of history when they were both ruled by the Qing. China did not govern Taiwan; the Qing Dynasty established by Manchus governed Taiwan. Being colonies of the Qing is the only thing that Taiwan and China shared.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2015/10/26/2003630930

Yours fairy tale are the most fake ones.... Considering your postions as a puppet to yankees, i can not blame you ,after all,serve your master yankees is your final purposes!
In your terms Taiwan and Korea should belong to Japan!

Manchus,like Han,Tibetan,Uigurs as well as mongolians,etc..... both belong to The Great Chinese nation(中华民族 中華民族)!China is a multiple nations country since the beginning of history ,we call ourselves 炎黃子孫 （we chineses are descendants of Emperor HUANG and Emperor YAN）,like the Seven Powers in the Warring State Period,were they not chineses all?










VIII. In 1661, Zheng Chenggong left some of his troops to guard Xiamen and Kinmen. With a nominal force of 25,000 and a fleet of hundreds of warships, in the name of Koxinga and General of Grand Army of Ming dynasty, starting from Kinmenho Bay and marching through Penhu to Taiwan. Nine months after the siege, Taiwan's colonial governor, Fredrich Coyet, had to surrender with his signature on February 1, 1662. As a result, the Chinese people have taken back Taiwan Island, which was occupied by the Dutch colonialists.

 

[Place Of Space]

Real statues with great history, but your Yuan and early Ming paragraphs are fake.
An article about fake history making for the purpose of geo-politics.

The substance of history is facts. A piece of history can only be regarded as such if there is tried and trusted documentation to support it.

A media personality recently said in an article that Taiwan was governed by China’s Song, Yuan and Ming dynasties. He also said that Chinese pirate and trader Cheng Chih-lung (鄭芝龍) came to Taiwan in 1621 and asked the Chinese government for permission to emigrate to Taiwan in 1628, and that warlord Koxinga (鄭成功) wrote “Taiwan is an inheritance from our ancestors” in his declaration of war on the Dutch in 1660.

This is all nonsense. None of these are historical facts. Documentation from the Song, Yuan and Ming dynasties show no records of them governing Taiwan. Cheng followed in Chinese Peter’s (顏思齊) footsteps, arriving in Taiwan in October 1624, two months after the Dutch did so at the Ming’s request. Cheng’s emigration to Taiwan in 1628 was completely fabricated. Koxinga’s 1660 declaration did say “Taiwan is an inheritance from our ancestors,” but it was a lie, without which he had no excuse to start a war with the Dutch.

Taiwan and China have been like two parallel lines, extending independently through time. The two separate lines only met between the 17th and 19th centuries; neither governed the other before or after this period.

Due to political motives, Taiwan’s history has been considerably falsified. Hence, not many people understand the historical facts between Taiwan and China.

Two examples spring to mind:

First, Kublai Khan (忽必烈) sent officials to the Ryukyu Kingdom in 1292 to demand its loyalty to the Yuan Dynasty, but the officials ended up in Taiwan and mistook it for Okinawa, home to the Ryuku Kingdom. After they arrived in Taiwan, they were unable to communicate with the Taiwanese because of the language barrier. After three soldiers were killed, the delegation immediately retreated to Quanzhou in China. How can such a major event, as recorded officially in the Yuan Dynasty’s history, prove that Yuan once governed Taiwan?

Second, the patriarch and also the first emperor of the Ming Dynasty, Chu Yuan-chang (朱元璋), issued a decree on the day of his ascension to the throne in 1638, ordering future generations to restrain themselves from greed and military attacks on other nations, for “a vast territory is not the key to sustainability.” He mentioned 15 nations that must never be invaded by his people and Taiwan was one of them. At that time, Taiwan was called “Little Ryukyu” and this was the first time in history that Taiwan’s political relationship with China was mentioned.

When did Taiwan and China stop being two separate states? It happened between 1683, when Cheng’s Tung Ning Kingdom was annihilated by the Qing Dynasty, and 1895, when Taiwan was ceded to Japan by the Qing: a span of 212 years.

However, China was destroyed long before Cheng’s regime in Taiwan was. In 1644, the Ming Dynasty came to an end. China was then ruled by the Qing until 1912. The Qing governed China for 268 years, during which Taiwan and China were both Qing colonies. The definition of colony can be found in UN Resolution 2908, dated Nov. 2, 1972.

Hence, Taiwan and China only shared a portion of history when they were both ruled by the Qing. China did not govern Taiwan; the Qing Dynasty established by Manchus governed Taiwan. Being colonies of the Qing is the only thing that Taiwan and China shared.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2015/10/26/2003630930

Lol, Japanese start to explain Asian history. When we started to record history, you were still monkey in cave.

 

[bbccdd1470]

Yo

Yours fairy tale are the most fake ones.... Considering your postions as a dog to yankees, i can not blame you ,
after all,serve your master yankees is your final purposes!

Yo

Yours fairy tale are the most fake ones.... Considering your postions as a dog to yankees, i can not blame you ,
after all,serve your master yankees is your final purposes!
In your terms Taiwan and Korea should belong to Japan!

No, he is right about it as Taiwan was part of China since the time 鄭成功 chased away the Dutch. However, it doesn't changed a fact that Taiwan is belonged to China as Republic of China is now legitimate government of Taiwan. Only way to change that is through war, but there have no country beside USA have that ability.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

And we all know what happened later! QING empire incorprated Taiwan again to Central gov administration instead of Ming and its general created kingdom,and 1894,Japan forced Qing empire to cede Taiwan to itself,and after WWII,taiwan back to China again........
There never existed a country called Taiwan.Only the difference between Communist PRC and KMT ROC,and both them think they are the sole legitimate government that can represent China.
With the decline of the Kuomintang, Taiwan politicians have seen that Taiwan can not counter-attack mainland China and With the reform and opening up in China, mainland China‘s national strength has been strengthened day by day and The unification of Taiwan and mainland China is only a matter of time. Taiwan's independenceists are in a hurry. Therefore, they are eager to call for the establishment of a so-called Taiwan State that never existed whatsoever.

Lol, Japanese start to explain Asian history. When we started to record history, you were still monkey in cave.

We can not blame them,after all,serve their yankees masters need efforts!

 

[Suika]

Or we can speak in short. Though high degree of autonomy, as to international law, and fact, Taiwan is a part of China. Your govt is fool, but when you sit at the place, you will also do the same. Because you support Taiwan independence, you will be punished.

And what International law is this?

"You will be punished" Wow, that's all I can say.

Yours fairy tale are the most fake ones.... Considering your postions as a dog to yankees, i can not blame you ,
after all,serve your master yankees is your final purposes!
In your terms Taiwan and Korea should belong to Japan!And Manchus,like Han,Tibetan,Uigurs as well as mongolians both belong to Chinese nation(中华民族)!

VIII. In 1661, Zheng Chenggong left some of his troops to guard Xiamen and Kinmen. With a nominal force of 25,000 and a fleet of hundreds of warships, in the name of Koxinga and General of Grand Army of Ming dynasty, starting from Kinmenho Bay and marching through Penhu to Taiwan. Nine months after the siege, Taiwan's colonial governor, Fredrich Coyet, had to surrender with his signature on February 1, 1662. As a result, the Chinese people have taken back Taiwan Island, which was occupied by the Dutch colonialists.

I think you need a chill pill. You're flailing all over the place.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

And what International law is this?

"You will be punished" Wow, that's all I can say.



I think you need a chill pill. You're flailing all over the place.

Not as psychopaths and pervert as you japs where your sisters shower together with your father!

And what International law is this?

"You will be punished" Wow, that's all I can say.



I think you need a chill pill. You're flailing all over the place.

In yur world ,What usa meaning your danny said is the international law!
Go to pay visit to your sisters who have been raped by your danny yankees will you!

And what International law is this?

"You will be punished" Wow, that's all I can say.



I think you need a chill pill. You're flailing all over the place.

In yur world ,What usa meaning your danny said is the international law!
Go to pay visit to your sisters who have been raped by your danny yankees will you!

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

ive visited Taiwan number of times, i like the place.... i hope you people sort out ur difference thru talks....

The thing is usa does not like China system and its pottential and is determined to use taiwan as a tool and anchor to weak China in a very long time.
We have not start any war since 1979(38 years) and how many wars have been started by yankees!?
We China hope the best(reunification by peaceful means) but be prepared for the worst scenarios(reunification by military action)!

I have a policy not to respond to mentally deficient trolls, but since I'm in a magnanimous mood I'll make an exception.

I disagree. I think it can do so today. Even if I'm wrong, it can do so in 5 years. If not 5, then 10. It doesn't matter, I have time. Much more importantly, China has time. And a forceful reunification won't be necessary since Taiwan, exactly like the US, is simply going to fold. It's just a matter of time.

Time is on China side....I am not talking about China would threaten western boldly on this and on that in the future,just saying the truth:Every day, China is becoming stronger than it was before.

Japanese wako pirates and traders didn't do the same. They were just travellers or passerbys.

Before the extension of Ming or Qing control on the island, it was just some Chinese people crossing the strait on an island of local natives. A few settled in the some villages. They were not representatives of government. Japanese wako pirates and traders did the same and have gone to places as far as the Philippines and Thailand or closer nearby such as Pusan on the Korean Peninsula. The establishment of some small villages or outposts of sorts don't constitute a national boundary.

This non-stop insistence about territorial claim on the basis of weak arguments is astonishing.

Loser of WWII has no place to make demands on this and on that!!!!
Talking about you jap!!!

 

[Nan Yang]

Come on Martian why do you need to wait for bombers to be built. You can stream across the straight tomorrow. The US military isn’t even on Taiwan. We are way over in Japan, Korea, and Guam (and its not like there is a million man force there either).

Chinese people 20 years from now are going to call your generation and previous ones a bunch of sissies for waiting so damn long to retake Taiwan or simply dropping the ball big time back in the 1950’s in letting Taiwan add another 70+ years of humiliation. They are going to be shaking their heads in utter amazement.

Patience is a virtue. China could have easily walk into Macau and Hong Kong in 1949.

 

[MrSato1]

Real statues with great history, but your Yuan and early Ming paragraphs are fake.
An article about fake history making for the purpose of geo-politics.

The substance of history is facts. A piece of history can only be regarded as such if there is tried and trusted documentation to support it.

A media personality recently said in an article that Taiwan was governed by China’s Song, Yuan and Ming dynasties. He also said that Chinese pirate and trader Cheng Chih-lung (鄭芝龍) came to Taiwan in 1621 and asked the Chinese government for permission to emigrate to Taiwan in 1628, and that warlord Koxinga (鄭成功) wrote “Taiwan is an inheritance from our ancestors” in his declaration of war on the Dutch in 1660.

This is all nonsense. None of these are historical facts. Documentation from the Song, Yuan and Ming dynasties show no records of them governing Taiwan. Cheng followed in Chinese Peter’s (顏思齊) footsteps, arriving in Taiwan in October 1624, two months after the Dutch did so at the Ming’s request. Cheng’s emigration to Taiwan in 1628 was completely fabricated. Koxinga’s 1660 declaration did say “Taiwan is an inheritance from our ancestors,” but it was a lie, without which he had no excuse to start a war with the Dutch.

Taiwan and China have been like two parallel lines, extending independently through time. The two separate lines only met between the 17th and 19th centuries; neither governed the other before or after this period.

Due to political motives, Taiwan’s history has been considerably falsified. Hence, not many people understand the historical facts between Taiwan and China.

Two examples spring to mind:

First, Kublai Khan (忽必烈) sent officials to the Ryukyu Kingdom in 1292 to demand its loyalty to the Yuan Dynasty, but the officials ended up in Taiwan and mistook it for Okinawa, home to the Ryuku Kingdom. After they arrived in Taiwan, they were unable to communicate with the Taiwanese because of the language barrier. After three soldiers were killed, the delegation immediately retreated to Quanzhou in China. How can such a major event, as recorded officially in the Yuan Dynasty’s history, prove that Yuan once governed Taiwan?

Second, the patriarch and also the first emperor of the Ming Dynasty, Chu Yuan-chang (朱元璋), issued a decree on the day of his ascension to the throne in 1638, ordering future generations to restrain themselves from greed and military attacks on other nations, for “a vast territory is not the key to sustainability.” He mentioned 15 nations that must never be invaded by his people and Taiwan was one of them. At that time, Taiwan was called “Little Ryukyu” and this was the first time in history that Taiwan’s political relationship with China was mentioned.

When did Taiwan and China stop being two separate states? It happened between 1683, when Cheng’s Tung Ning Kingdom was annihilated by the Qing Dynasty, and 1895, when Taiwan was ceded to Japan by the Qing: a span of 212 years.

However, China was destroyed long before Cheng’s regime in Taiwan was. In 1644, the Ming Dynasty came to an end. China was then ruled by the Qing until 1912. The Qing governed China for 268 years, during which Taiwan and China were both Qing colonies. The definition of colony can be found in UN Resolution 2908, dated Nov. 2, 1972.

Hence, Taiwan and China only shared a portion of history when they were both ruled by the Qing. China did not govern Taiwan; the Qing Dynasty established by Manchus governed Taiwan. Being colonies of the Qing is the only thing that Taiwan and China shared.

Regardless of any of your arguments about periods and history, the Island of Taiwan today is under a government that came directly from China, and is only sperate because of a Civil war, had there not been a civil war, you would have no arguments, because Taiwan would have simply been a probince of China.

If the Nationalist won the civil war, you would have had no argumend, because Taiwan which calls itself the Republic of China would be a Province of China.

Natives are irrelevant when they are only 2% of a population, no one cares, “native americans” can’t say in any legal term that verginia doesnt belong to Washington because history, its all irrelevant! Taiwan is a province of China on way or another!

As a Japanese its surprising seeing your point know that Okinawa or Ryukyu was not “apart” of any historical Japanese society, strange how picky people are when being hypocrites!

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

The PRC has made it clear that it will use military force in response to any formal declaration of independence by Taiwan or if PRC leaders decide that peaceful unification is no longer possible.

 

[Martian2]

Come on Martian why do you need to wait for bombers to be built? You can stream across the straight tomorrow. The US military isn’t even on Taiwan. We are way over in Japan, Korea, and Guam (and it's not like there is a million man force there either).

Chinese people 20 years from now are going to call your generation and previous ones a bunch of sissies for waiting so damn long to retake Taiwan or simply dropping the ball big time back in the 1950’s in letting Taiwan add another 70+ years of humiliation (by your OWN people of all things!). Looking back they are going to be shaking their heads in utter amazement doing a "WTF was that all about????".

What's the rush?

Taiwan has been sitting out there for decades.

China has not finished its own internal development.

China will have finished building all of its highways, high-speed railways, subways, robot automation of its factories, nuclear power construction, etc. in the next twenty to thirty years.

Also, China's navy and air force will rival the US military in size and technological sophistication in about twenty years.

Hence, logically speaking, the best time for China to make a move is in 20 to 30 years. Not now.
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China is the contender for the heavyweight championship title of the world.

The US is the aging world champion boxer.

In twenty to thirty years, China could easily deliver a knockout blow. Challenging the champion now is risky. I don't think China is ready for an all-out conventional war. I think China will win in an Asian war, but the price will be too high.

China needs to build its BRI (Belt and Road Initiative) throughout Eurasia to secure oil supplies from Russia, Kazakhstan, Iran, Iraq, etc.

When China is fully ready in 20 to 30 years, it will be unstoppable.

Right now, China is still busy with its preparations. For example, China does not have a sufficient number of nuclear submarines to challenge the US. That will change in 20 to 30 years.

Another example is China's H-20 stealth bomber. It won't be ready until 2025. China will need more years to build a fleet of H-20 stealth bombers.

In conclusion, China should wait. China grows stronger every year relative to the US. It is militarily advantageous to wait. When the Visigoths sacked Rome, they patiently waited for the right moment. Like the Visigoths, China should pick the time of the fight on its own terms.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

What's the rush?

Taiwan has been sitting out there for decades.

China has not finished its own internal development.

China will have finished building all of its highways, high-speed railways, subways, robot automation of its factories, nuclear power construction, etc. in the next twenty to thirty years.

Also, China's navy and air force will rival the US military in size and technological sophistication in about twenty years.

Hence, logically speaking, the best time for China to make a move is in 20 to 30 years. Not now.
----------

China is the contender for the heavyweight championship title of the world.

The US is the aging world champion boxer.

In twenty to thirty years, China could easily deliver a knockout blow. Challenging the champion now is risky. I don't think China is ready for an all-out conventional war. I think China will win, but the price will be too high.

China needs to build its BRI (Belt and Road Initiative) throughout Eurasia to secure oil supplies from Russia, Kazakhstan, Iran, Iraq, etc.

When China is fully ready in 20 to 30 years, it will be unstoppable.

Right now, China is still busy with its preparations. For example, China does not have a sufficient number of nuclear submarines to challenge the US. That will change in 20 to 30 years.

Another example is China's H-20 stealth bomber. It won't be ready until 2025.

In conclusion, China should wait. China grows stronger every year relative to the US. It is militarily advantageous to wait. When the Visigoths sacked Rome, they patiently waited for the right moment. Like the Visigoths, China should pick the time of the fight on its own terms.

You guys angrily cry all the time about 100 years of humiliation by other nations...don't you think it might be possible that you just bring it upon yourselves simply by inaction? Maybe that really could have been only 5 years of humiliation but you let it go to 100.