HISTORY OF MALABAR :DISCUSSIONS.

[Levina]

remaining kasargod,kannur,kozhikode,vayanad,palaphat are Hindu majority areas..

you gotta be kidding me.
I thought these places had a muslim majority.
@nair @kurup @seiko
In my knowledge northern Kerala has muslim majority while places like thrissur,palakad and trivandrum had hindu majority.And places around kottayam had christian majority.Right or wrong???

 

[Ragnar]

Sword Mark attributed to Tipu Sultan at Madhur Temple, Kasaragod Zilla:

The legend of Kumble seme says Tipu Sultan wanted to demolish the temple like Adooru Mahalingeswara temple during his invasion of Coorg, Tulunadu, and Malabar. But after drinking water from the well of the temple, he changed his mind on attacking and demolishing the Garbhagudi and marched towards Malabar. But to satisfy his soldiers and Islamic scholars he made a cut with his sword symobolising the attack. The mark is still visible on the building that is built around the temple well.

Source: Wikipedia

 

[abjktu]

That's interesting but then why are Tamils and Keralites so anti. Is it just because of the Dam or some other mystery is behind this kind of hatred because apparently from what you are telling, you both are the same people?

yeah...because of historical/political reasons...
All Indians are more or less the very same people...
Though Tamil used to be the language of Kerala,we had our own unique culture...

you gotta be kidding me.
I thought these places had a muslim majority.
@nair @kurup @seiko
In my knowledge northern Kerala has muslim majority while places like thrissur,palakad and trivandrum had hindu majority.And places around kottayam had christian majority.Right or wrong???

Only some pockets are Muslim majority..but overall Hindu in those district...
Actually Kottayam district as a whole is slightly hindu majority....

What about kozhikode

Hindu...

 

[jbond197]

yeah...because of historical/political reasons...
All Indians are more or less the very same people...
Though Tamil used to be the language of Kerala,we had our own unique culture...

I totally agree with you there and when I said Tamils & Keralites are same people, I never meant you are any different from rest of the Indians.

 

[kurup]

you gotta be kidding me.
I thought these places had a muslim majority.
@nair @kurup @seiko
In my knowledge northern Kerala has muslim majority while places like thrissur,palakad and trivandrum had hindu majority.And places around kottayam had christian majority.Right or wrong???

 

[Levina]

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Thanks!!
The hindu and muslim percentages in kasargod,kannur and kozhikode come very close.The muslim population in all these areas is above 35% which I think is quite high.

 

[kurup]

uttaram muttikunna chodyamaanu..
You are right about kera+alam..land of coconut..
but some historians believe that the word Keralam came from chera+alam(land of chera)...Chera was probably the first main kingdom of Kerala and they spoke Tamil..Moreover Malayalam is a very very recent language and diverged from Tamil only 800-1000 years ago..

Also Malayalam = Mala + Alam (land of mountains)

It will be the only language whose meaning will be that of a place .

 

[SrNair]

uttaram muttikunna chodyamaanu..
You are right about kera+alam..land of coconut..
but some historians believe that the word Keralam came from chera+alam(land of chera)...Chera was probably the first main kingdom of Kerala and they spoke Tamil..Moreover Malayalam is a very very recent language and diverged from Tamil only 800-1000 years ago..


Muslims are majority only in Malappuram district..remaining kasargod,kannur,kozhikode,vayanad,palaphat are Hindu majority areas..

Moreover the Travancore royal family is a direct descendants of Chera Kingdom.Samuthiri/Zamorin Royal Family is an Eradi clan and they are earlier kingdom before Mysore invasion.

That's interesting but then why are Tamils and Keralites so anti. Is it just because of the Dam or some other mystery is behind this kind of hatred because apparently from what you are telling, you both are the same people?

We both are same people and same blood brothers.Our quarrel is not that serious issue.That is an offtopic

Sword Mark attributed to Tipu Sultan at Madhur Temple, Kasaragod Zilla:

The legend of Kumble seme says Tipu Sultan wanted to demolish the temple like Adooru Mahalingeswara temple during his invasion of Coorg, Tulunadu, and Malabar. But after drinking water from the well of the temple, he changed his mind on attacking and demolishing the Garbhagudi and marched towards Malabar. But to satisfy his soldiers and Islamic scholars he made a cut with his sword symobolising the attack. The mark is still visible on the building that is built around the temple well.

Source: Wikipedia

Tippu father once aimed for Guruvayoor Temple.But he refrain from demolishing after he received a hefty ransom from Hindus.

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Christian representation in Malabar is way less than Travancore area.

 

[kalanirnay]

That's interesting but then why are Tamils and Keralites so anti. Is it just because of the Dam or some other mystery is behind this kind of hatred because apparently from what you are telling, you both are the same people?

Historically the tamils and malayalees were always warring kingdoms. In fact the history of deep south India is just the fight between three kingdoms, the Cheras, Cholas and Pandayas. (Who claim lineage from the Pandava's)

The name kerala is first mentioned in 261 BC in the edicts of Emperor Ashoka when he mentions one of his neighbours to the south as "Kedalaputho" or 'Kerala-puthra' as we understand it today. or it could very well mean "kadala puthra" or children of the ocean.

Graeco-Roman trade map Periplus Maris Erythraei refers to this Keralaputra as Celobotra. This is what it says,

"Then come Naura (Kannur) and Tyndis, the first markets of Damirica or Limyrike, and then Muziris and Nelcynda, which are now of leading importance. Tyndis is of the Kingdom of Cerobothra; it is a village in plain sight by the sea. Muziris, of the same kingdom, abounds in ships sent there with cargoes from Arabia, and by the Greeks; it is located on a river (River Periyar), distant from Tyndis by river and sea five hundred stadia, and up the river from the shore twenty stadia. Nelcynda is distant from Muziris by river and sea about five hundred stadia, and is of another Kingdom, the Pandian. This place also is situated on a river, about one hundred and twenty stadia from the sea...."

 

[Levina]

Historically the tamils and malayalees were always warring kingdoms. In fact the history of deep south India is just the fight between three kingdoms, the Cheras, Cholas and Pandayas. (Who claim lineage from the Pandava's)

The name kerala is first mentioned in 261 BC in the edicts of Emperor Ashoka when he mentions one of his neighbours to the south as "Kedalaputho" or 'Kerala-puthra' as we understand it today. or it could very well mean "kadala puthra" or children of the ocean.

Graeco-Roman trade map Periplus Maris Erythraei refers to this Keralaputra as Celobotra. This is what it says,

"Then come Naura (Kannur) and Tyndis, the first markets of Damirica or Limyrike, and then Muziris and Nelcynda, which are now of leading importance. Tyndis is of the Kingdom of Cerobothra; it is a village in plain sight by the sea. Muziris, of the same kingdom, abounds in ships sent there with cargoes from Arabia, and by the Greeks; it is located on a river (River Periyar), distant from Tyndis by river and sea five hundred stadia, and up the river from the shore twenty stadia. Nelcynda is distant from Muziris by river and sea about five hundred stadia, and is of another Kingdom, the Pandian. This place also is situated on a river, about one hundred and twenty stadia from the sea...."

Man!!
from where do you get all this info???

 

[zip]

Northern kerala and coastal karnataka people seems to be same but ruled by different kingdoms

 

[kalanirnay]

Sword Mark attributed to Tipu Sultan at Madhur Temple, Kasaragod Zilla:

The legend of Kumble seme says Tipu Sultan wanted to demolish the temple like Adooru Mahalingeswara temple during his invasion of Coorg, Tulunadu, and Malabar. But after drinking water from the well of the temple, he changed his mind on attacking and demolishing the Garbhagudi and marched towards Malabar. But to satisfy his soldiers and Islamic scholars he made a cut with his sword symobolising the attack. The mark is still visible on the building that is built around the temple well.

Source: Wikipedia

LOL. These "secular" history is total BS and is designed to make the mallu's forget the evil terror of Hyder ali and tipu sultan.

This is what the Dairy of a Muslim officer of Mysore army edited by Tipu sultan's son Ghulam Muhammad Sultan Sahib says,

"Nothing was to be seen on the roads for a distance of four leagues, nothing was found but only scattered limbs and mutilated bodies of Hindus. The country of Nairs was thrown into a general consternation which was much increased by the cruelty of the Mappilas who followed the invading cavalry of Hyder Ali Khan and massacred all those who escaped without sparing even women and children; so that the army advancing under the conduct of this enraged multitude Mappilas instead of meeting with continued resistance, found villages, fortresses, temples and every habitable place forsaken and deserted."

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Tipu Sultan wanted to demolish the temple like Adooru Mahalingeswara temple

Why would he want to do that?

Our history books state clearly that he was a freedom fighter who fought against the evil British.

 

[SrNair]

Historically the tamils and malayalees were always warring kingdoms. In fact the history of deep south India is just the fight between three kingdoms, the Cheras, Cholas and Pandayas. (Who claim lineage from the Pandava's)

The name kerala is first mentioned in 261 BC in the edicts of Emperor Ashoka when he mentions one of his neighbours to the south as "Kedalaputho" or 'Kerala-puthra' as we understand it today. or it could very well mean "kadala puthra" or children of the ocean.

Graeco-Roman trade map Periplus Maris Erythraei refers to this Keralaputra as Celobotra. This is what it says,

"Then come Naura (Kannur) and Tyndis, the first markets of Damirica or Limyrike, and then Muziris and Nelcynda, which are now of leading importance. Tyndis is of the Kingdom of Cerobothra; it is a village in plain sight by the sea. Muziris, of the same kingdom, abounds in ships sent there with cargoes from Arabia, and by the Greeks; it is located on a river (River Periyar), distant from Tyndis by river and sea five hundred stadia, and up the river from the shore twenty stadia. Nelcynda is distant from Muziris by river and sea about five hundred stadia, and is of another Kingdom, the Pandian. This place also is situated on a river, about one hundred and twenty stadia from the sea...."

Please share more info.That was knowledgable.

 

[kalanirnay]

Why would he want to do that?

Our history books state clearly that he was a freedom fighter who fought against the evil British.

Of course, let us see some of the facts of this great secular freedom fighter.

In 1785 Tipu Sultan wrote to his Governor of Bekal, Budruz Zaman Khan approving forced conversions of Nairs,

"Your two letters, with the enclosed memorandums of the Nâimâ (Nair) captives, have been received. You did right in causing a hundred and thirty-five of them to be circumcised, and in putting eleven of the youngest of these into the Usud Ilhye band, and the remaining ninety-four into the Ahmedy troops, consigning the whole, at the same time, to the charge of the Kiladar of Nugr (Bednore).


The same year he sent an order to the Faujdar of Calicut, Arshad Ali Baig regarding the treatement of a Gurukul teacher,

"Getting possession of the villain, Goorkul, and of his wife and children, you must forcibly make Mussalmans out of them, and then dispatch the whole under a guard to Seringapatam."

In 1788, Tipu issued a proclamation to the Nairs of kerala, wherein he outlined his new scheme of social reform,

"From the period of the conquest until this day, during twenty-four years, you have been a turbulent and refractory people, and in the wars waged during your rainy season, you have caused number of our warriors to taste the draught of martyrdom. Be it so. What is past is past. Hereafter you must proceed in an opposite manner, dwell quietly and pay your dues like good subjects and since it is the practice with you for one woman to associate with ten men, and you leave your mothers and sisters unconstrained in their obscene practices, and are thence all born in adultery, and are more shameless in your connections than the beasts of the fields : I hereby require you to forsake these sinful practices and be like the rest of mankind; and if you are disobedient to these commands, I have made repeated vows to honour the whole of you with Islam and to march all the chief persons to the seat of Government."


..........now the seculars post picturess saying Tipu sultan was reformed after drinking water from the well

Please share more info.That was knowledgable.

Moroccoan cleric Ibn Battuta who travelled to kerala in 1335 has written about Kerala.

You might want to read his autobiography which is as good as the travels of marco polo.