Historical Background of Pakistan and its People

[Abu Zolfiqar]

^^^^^^

 

[civilarmy]

We give a damn even if Pakistan kicks our door down. We know the result.

lol ur counry only need 10 talibans they will make ur country into somalia lol.

 

[ThunderCat]

Can you tell me which Pakistanis are of Russian and European descents? Are you talking of Kalashas (Chitralis) ? They do have Greek admixture but they only range somewhere between 5,000-6,000.

That's not exactly correct. The Kalash have been there just about as long as other populations the main difference is their ancestors did not absorb as much indigenous genes; hence their features are whiter.

As for their religion this is also another thing that gets them mixed up with Greeks. What they practice is another remaining sect of Indo-European religions. The Kalash language is Indo-Aryan, Dardic not Greek.

Pakistanis don't "descend" from Europeans, but rather share common ancestors with them especially eastern European Slavs along Y-Chromosome lines.

Modern Pakistanis are a result of ancient white proto-Europeans mixing with local dark-skinned populations in the Indus Valley and surrounding regions.

Any Pakistani whether living abroad or in Pakistan knows that more than half of the population of Pakistan DON'T understand Farsi. Indigenous Pakistani Tajiks or Farsiwans who speak Farsi are a small minority. It is true that Iranic languages (Pashto, Balochi etc) are spoken by 35-40% Pakistanis.. but Farsi itself isnt spoken by majority..

No dispute there. 100% agreed. I personally am proud of our Urdu language and think it sounds much sweeter than Farsi or Arabic. I could not bear the idea of a language like Farsi becoming the state language.

 

[GentlemanObserver]

Facedesk. Some Indian posters are trying to teach us our own history.. LOL.

Thanks buddy but i got 92% in Pak Studies. So KK Thanks but NO Thanks!

 

[LadyGaga]

I don't know whether i should accept your theory or look at this genetic marker material which clearly shows the opposite.It shows most of india and pakistan in the same gene pool.How do you support your theory?
Haplogroup R1a (Y-DNA) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yes he wasn't wrong, but I think he was being sarcastic when he said "Pakistanis being descendants of Arabs, Europeans and Russians" or maybe he was just being ignorant?

As far as Punjabis are concerned, their language culture etc is classified as Indic but recent genetic tests have shown that 40% Punjabis also carry West and Central Asian genetic markers (That does make sense because Punjab being the first Indic state and surrounded by Kashmiris, Central Asians, West Asians etc) because throughout its history Punjab has been invaded again and again leaving high amount of genetic foot prints from Central and West Asia.

So as a WHOLE, Pakistanis are quite different from Indians. Actually Urdu was NOT one of the dominant languages spoken in present day Pakistan before partition... it is still the mother tongue of ONLY 8% Pakistanis.

 

[Subramanian]

I dont know about NWFP,Baloch and the northern areas.But punjab and sindh,east or west of the indus is all hindu territory.Muslims came there much later and it doesn't matter what the poluation was recently.

Jinnah is a baniya/bora muslim from gujrat.He is not rajput.

Ghaznavid stuff happened 800 years thats like one week in history,thats all.

BTW,i have R1-A1 dna haplogroup and i am tamil brahmin from kanyakumari.My ancestors ran away from muslim oppresion of alauddin khilji and settled in the south of india since 1400 AD.big deal,man.

 

[Kambojaric]

I dont know about NWFP,Baloch and the northern areas.But punjab and sindh,east or west of the indus is all hindu territory.Muslims came there much later and it doesn't matter what the poluation was recently.

Jinnah is a baniya/bora muslim from gujrat.He is not rajput.

Ghaznavid stuff happened 800 years thats like one week in history,thats all.

BTW,i have R1-A1 dna haplogroup and i am tamil brahmin from kanyakumari.My ancestors ran away from muslim oppresion of alauddin khilji and settled in the south of india since 1400 AD.big deal,man.

Actually Sindh was the first province to fall to muslim rule. Muhammad Bin Qasim?

also btw its not NWFP anymore, its kyhber pakhtunkhwa or just kp.

 

[Subramanian]

Actually Sindh was the first province to fall to muslim rule. Muhammad Bin Qasim?

also btw its not NWFP anymore, its kyhber pakhtunkhwa or just kp.

Dude

Before prophet muhammad,even saudi arabia and afghanistan were pagan(hindu?).but the muslims wiped them off or converted them.Right or wrong,that solves a lot of problems.

Muhammad bin qasim may have conquered sindh but that was very recent and even after conquering he couldn't deal with it effectively like other warriors did in afghanistan or saudi arabia.That is the problem.

If they did so,then the partition would have been easy and bloodless.

 

[Spring Onion]

Dude

Before prophet muhammad,even saudi arabia and afghanistan were pagan(hindu?).but the muslims wiped them off or converted them.Right or wrong,that solves a lot of problems.

Muhammad bin qasim may have conquered sindh but that was very recent and even after conquering he couldn't deal with it effectively like other warriors did in afghanistan or saudi arabia.That is the problem.

If they did so,then the partition would have been easy and bloodless.

Pagans does not mean Hindus or does it?

If does it then we are right when we say Hindus were used to bury their daughters alive as they born in pre-Islamic Arab era ?

And please do not link Afghanistan/Pukhtuns to Hindus kindly we werent Hindu by any mean

 

[Peshwa]

Pagans does not mean Hindus or does it?

If does it then we are right when we say Hindus were used to bury their daughters alive as they born in pre-Islamic Arab era ?

And please do not link Afghanistan/Pukhtuns to Hindus kindly we werent Hindu by any mean

Sorry to burst your bubble.....

Anyways.....no one can stop you from selectively blocking history....Its fast becoming a trend for your kind...

Gandhāra (Sanskrit: गन्धार, Pashto: ګندهارا, Urdu: گندھارا, Gandḥārā; also known as ویهیند Waihind in Persian)[1] is the name of an ancient kingdom (Mahajanapada), located in northern Pakistan and eastern Afghanistan. Gandhara was located mainly in the vale of Peshawar, the Potohar plateau (see Taxila) and on the Kabul River. Its main cities were Purushapura (modern Peshawar), literally meaning City of Man[2] and Takshashila (modern Taxila).[3]

The Kingdom of Gandhara lasted from early 1st millennium BC to the 11th century AD. It attained its height from the 1st century to the 5th century under the Buddhist Kushan Kings. The Hindu Shahi, a term used by history writer Al-Biruni[4] to refer to the ruling Hindu dynasty[5] that took over from the Turki Shahi and ruled the region during the period prior to Muslim conquests of the tenth and eleventh centuries. After it was conquered by Mahmud of Ghazni in 1021 CE, the name Gandhara disappeared. During the Muslim period the area was administered from Lahore or from Kabul. During Mughal times the area was part of Kabul province.

 

[Subramanian]

Pagans does not mean Hindus or does it?

If does it then we are right when we say Hindus were used to bury their daughters alive as they born in pre-Islamic Arab era ?

And please do not link Afghanistan/Pukhtuns to Hindus kindly we werent Hindu by any mean

Pagan does mean hindu bro.They may have done so.Buried their daughters alive and there could be reasons for that.It is a different society and different time for me to judge.

There are lots and lots of frontierwale(Pakhtun) who are hindu.Dont sell this bullshit to me.

You were all Hindu by all means and you got converted.If you did not,then you came from turkey and Arabia,slaughtered those daughter burying pagans and sat in their homes.

PS: and if u see the map of greater punjab(west+east+haryana+himachal) and KPK,they are not far at all.It is very easy for hindus to have lived there.

I mean there were Bamian Buddhas in Afghanistan,from where did they come from and Iran had abolutely no muslims before the invasion.What religion were they following before?Zoroastranism and it was a country with extremely strong cultural links to India.

Moreover the rig veda speaks of soma( a drink for cleansing the wounded and in the war and for recuperation).That is nothing but the opium that the Taliban is smuggling around today.

In fact the whole religion started there,without the KPK and Afghanistan,there would be no hinduism.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

,then you came from turkey

Most of the Turks that came to India didn't even come from Anatolia, but central Asia. They are mutts. Turk or Turkic is linguistic term.

This is what the early invading Islamic Turkics or Mughals would have looked like.

 

[Subramanian]

A turk need not necessarily be from anatolia,even a kazhak,uzbek or Tajik would be turkic.

 

[Spring Onion]

Pagan does mean hindu bro.

I am Girl so dont call me bro.

Secondly you you called Arabs before Islam as Hindus (Pagans)

They may have done so.Buried their daughters alive and there could be reasons for that.It is a different society and different time for me to judge.

The point to bring that point was that whenever someone mentions that pre-Islamic practice in Arab world, The Indians jump in and say They were pagans that does not mean those arbas were Hindus.

Since you said Pagan arabs were hindus so i was just testing what was your stance on that point then.

There are lots and lots of frontierwale(Pakhtun) who are hindu.Dont sell this bullshit to me.

Dont try to sell you Indian bullshit to me as being Pukhtun i know what does a Pukhtun mean and NO Hindu is Pukhtun. Its a bloodline that makes you a Pukhtun or otherwise. Just by living in Frontier or Kabul does NOT change Bloodline or genes of Hindus into Pukhtun Bloodline or genes.

You were all Hindu by all means and you got converted.If you did not,then you came from turkey and Arabia,slaughtered those daughter burying pagans and sat in their homes.

another Indian with some Complex to prove everyone Hindu.

Sorry my Ancestors being Pukhtuns were NEVER having any kind of Hindu roots.




And no one was slaughtered forces of our Prophet (PBUH) when Islam was started. It was very much a peaceful invitation but turned into battles and wars for survival when those might pagans started atrocities against those who adopted a new religion.

 

[Spring Onion]

Most of the Turks that came to India didn't even come from Anatolia, but central Asia. They are mutts. Turk or Turkic is linguistic term.


This is what the early Mughals would have looked like.

Those came from CARs are by NO Means Hindus or having Hindu roots.


This is interesting that Indians for so long had been trying to prove themselves anything other than Dravidian