HINDUS VERY UPSET at comparison of villain Apocalypse with Lord KRISHNAin X-Men trailer

[punit]

Try to read Ramayan with open Mind, e.g Ravan had 10 Heads -- Is there any human or character with 10 Head. It is symbollic representation of the Ravan who got knowledge from Lord Shiva and 10 heads means 6 Shastra and 4 Vedas

how does it relate with ravan getting whopped by bali?

 

[zebra7]

WellI'm an atheist and I think all the gods whether be it Allah/God/Krishna/Ganesha are mythical creatures and they were made up to control dumb population.

And no one cares what religious nut jobs think.

True but when you want to show or tell the people what is good or what is bad to the general people, the man would get borred soon with logn phylosiphical quotes, so it is better to explain in the form of Story, so that people could have more attention and interest to the one who is speaking.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Try to read Ramayan with open Mind, e.g Ravan had 10 Heads -- Is there any human or character with 10 Head. It is symbollic representation of the Ravan who got knowledge from Lord Shiva and 10 heads means 6 Shastra and 4 Vedas

Ravan had 10 heads and 10 Arms and they had to cut repeatedly for him To LOOSE Interest
in SITA

It was Said that Unless Sita remained in Ravan's Heart ; he could NOT be killed

And the Only way to make him upset was to show that His Heads and Arms could be chopped off
by a Human like Ram which then made him very upset

 

[GURU DUTT]

Ravan had 10 heads and 10 Arms and they had to cut repeatedly for him To LOOSE Interest
in SITA

It was Said that Unless Sita remained in Ravan's Heart ; he could NOT be killed

And the Only way to make him upset was to show that His Heads and Arms could be chopped off
by a Human like Ram which then made him very upset

ravan was the most knowledgebale mortal person who walked this earth all the vedik astronomy, mathematics ,dance& performing arts, medicine , physics, chameistry ect ect we know today were compiled and made easy for lesser mortals to understand was done by ravna and his 10 heads and arms symbolise his 10 sidhhi/masteri over these 10 diffrent arts & 10 heads symbolise his masterri over 10 types of martial arts /devine wepons which onli lord vishnu or shiva could master + it was he who stopped "gomed yagya" and was the first prophet of social equality but he was also a MAN and had ego + sita episode became a ego issue to him after his sisters nose was cutoff by laxman which she told to her brother that ram was responsible hence in revenge he abducted sita rest as they say .... hstory is written by the victors for the victors and looser is always shown as corrupt and what not

 

[Stephen Cohen]

ravan was the most knowledgebale mortal person who walked this earth all the vedik astronomy, mathematics ,dance& performing arts, medicine , physics, chameistry ect ect were compiled and made easy for lesser mortals to understand was done by ravna it was he who stopped "gomed yagya" and was the first prophet of social equality but he was also a MAN and had ego + sita episode became a ego issue to him after his sisters nose was cutoff by laxman which she told to her brother that ram was responsible hence in revenge he abducted sita rest as they say .... hstory is written by the victors for the victors and looser is always shown as corrupt and what not

Of course all this is True

His Ego caused his down fall

 

[GURU DUTT]

Of course all this is True

His Ego caused his down fall

same happened(ego problem) with every other great conqurer ruler in all recorded history of mankind and were responsible for his empire & its eventual downfall

 

[raktaka]

Regardless of interpretations, Vali does always come across as the wronged person. Neither Rama nor Sugriva come out well in that episode.

You mean apart from Vali kidnapping and Raping Sugriv's wife and separating Sugrive from his kid.

You mean apart from Vali trying to kill Sugriv and sugriv barely managing to escape.

Ya sure, why not. Vali seems like a great guy.

Of course all this is True

His Ego caused his down fall

His ADHARMA was his downfall, not his EGO.

A man is allowed his Ego, he is not allowed to destroy Dharma.

 

[zebra7]

how does it relate with ravan getting whopped by bali?

Dear Punit first of all our culture is based of Vedas not Ramayan or Mahabharata and their is no religion called Hindu. We are Ethistics but free to adopt good ideas, knowledge, and flexible enough to respect other religious faith.

How ?

A shaloka in Rigveda

नासदासीन्नोसदासीत्तादानीं नासीद्रजो नो व्योमापरो यत |
किमावरीव: कुहकस्यशर्मन्नम्भ: किमासीद्गहनं गभीरं ||

Srishtee se pehle sat nahin thaa, asat bhi nahin
(Before creation there was no truth, or untruth)
Antariksh bhi nahin, akash bhin nahin thaa
(no universe, not even the sky)
chhipaa thaa kyaa kahaan, kisne dhakaa thaa
(Where was it hidden, who hid it ?)
us pal to agam, atal jal bhi kahaan thaa
(At that time there was no water)

Srishtee kaa kaun hai kartaa
(who is he creator ?)
Kartaa hai vaa akartaa

Oonche aakash mein rahtaa
(Who stays up there in the sky )
Sada adhyaksh banaa rahtaa
(who is in charge)
Wahin sachmuch mein jaantaa..Yaa nahin bhi jaanataa
(He truly must know everything, and maybe not!)
Hai kisi ko nahin pataa, nahin pataa,
(no one knows..no one knows)
Nahin hai pataa, nahin hai pataa

Clearly shows they are seeking the reality of the Creator who knows everything, and also doubting he might not be able to Know every thing of his creation >> showing High degree of Philosophical thinking and The restless Pursuit, desperation of the Truth or Knowledge .

When we talking about Ramayana, the importance of events and story is not the story itself but the SAAR. Ramayana is full of examples and knowledge given in the form of characters.

E.g Ravana is the character that represent the most knowlegable man on the earth at that time with 10 heads means knowledge of 6 shastra and 4 Vedas, but when in the wrong path, which leads to his distruction and due to his deed distruction of his family and the whole city called Lanka.

Baali the character of Immense power, but on wrong path, leads to his death.

Hanuman the character, which becomes even bigger than his Idol Ram. Which shows its not the God that gives everything to the man, but its the man who makes the God.

Ram the character who is consider as the Maryada Purshottam --- The perfect Purush, but then how could he expell Sita because some people in his kindom was talking of her character.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

His ADHARMA was his downfall, not his EGO.

A man is allowed his Ego, he is not allowed to destroy Dharma.

ADHARMA is Born from EGO

When ego increases far too much ; Man considers himself INVINCIBLE

EGO destroys Intelligence and the egoist is doomed

Ravan : Kansa ; Duryodhana ; ALL were egoists

 

[raktaka]

ravan was the most knowledgebale mortal person who walked this earth all the vedik astronomy, mathematics ,dance& performing arts, medicine , physics, chameistry ect ect we know today were compiled and made easy for lesser mortals to understand was done by ravna and his 10 heads and arms symbolise his 10 sidhhi/masteri over these 10 diffrent arts & 10 heads symbolise his masterri over 10 types of martial arts /devine wepons which onli lord vishnu or shiva could master + it was he who stopped "gomed yagya" and was the first prophet of social equality but he was also a MAN and had ego + sita episode became a ego issue to him after his sisters nose was cutoff by laxman which she told to her brother that ram was responsible hence in revenge he abducted sita rest as they say .... hstory is written by the victors for the victors and looser is always shown as corrupt and what not

Ravan did not go there to avenge Surpanaka, he went there to kidnap Sita after surpanaka praised Sita's beauty to Ravana after failing to provoke Ravana into attacking Rama.

 

[GURU DUTT]

You mean apart from Vali kidnapping and Raping Sugriv's wife and separating Sugrive from his kid.

You mean apart from Vali trying to kill Sugriv and sugriv barely managing to escape.

Ya sure, why not. Vali seems like a great guy.

why did sugriv ran away when his brother had asked him to gaurd the entrence of cave where he had gone to fight that demon .... in short sugreev was a coward and even today in animal kingdom or say monkeys when the old alfa male abondens his pride the new alfa male takes over the females of the tribe/pride/pack it is complicated but i dont think rama was right to kill vali like that

 

[raktaka]

ADHARMA is Born from EGO

When ego increases far too much ; Man considers himself INVINCIBLE

EGO destroys Intelligence and the egoist is doomed

WRONG.

Even the poorest knave with zero ego can indulge in Adharma for money or power or women etc.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Ravan did not go there to avenge Surpanaka, he went there to kidnap Sita after surpanaka praised Sita's beauty to Ravana after failing to provoke Ravana into attacking Rama.

classic case of history rewritten by the victor for the victor

personally im a ravna follower

 

[raktaka]

why did sugriv ran away when his brother had asked him to gaurd the entrence of cave where he had gone to fight that demon .... in short sugreev was a coward and even today in animal kingdom or say monkeys when the old alfa male abondens his pride the new alfa male takes over the females of the tribe/pride/pack it is complicated but i dont think rama was right to kill vali like that

Sugrive is ALLOWED to be a coward. That is not adharma.

Adharma is NOT doing your duty.

Sugriv blocked the cave to preven the Asura from coming out , he did it to protect his kingdom the best way he could.


You are free to think Osama Bin laden is a hero too ..... no one gives a fcuk.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Hanuman the character, which becomes even bigger than his Idol Ram. Which shows its not the God that gives everything to the man, but its the man who makes the God.

Ram's Humilty in Ramayan SHOULD not be looked as His weakness

He ALWAYS gave Credit to Others like Lakshman ; Hanuman ; Sugreev
because of his HUMILITY

personally im a ravna follower

HEY RAM ; What is this World Coming to