Hindus consider themselves INDIAN in Bangladesh. Questionable alliance?

[Ayush]

Perhaps they suffer from identity crisis . After all bangladesh is an Islamic country bordering hindu india.

 

[A1Kaid]

I hate war criminals, whether they are in PA or IA or any country.

But I am wondering why PA focused more on Hindus too. Weren't Hindus their countrymen ?

But I am wondering why PA focused more on Hindus too. Weren't Hindus their countrymen ?

Why do you think PA focused more on Hindus? If they did so how do you as a Hindu or human feel toward Pakistan?

 

[Spring Onion]

It wasn't fashionable to admit it, but the nine million refugees who fled to India in 1971 were mostly Hindus, victims as much of Pakistani repression as of local Muslim brutality. They didn't want to go back after liberation but had to when Indian army bulldozers razed their camps and Indian soldiers forced them into trucks at bayonet point. I asked a returning Hindu peasant if he regarded himself a Bangladeshi. "No," he replied. "You can call me an Indian living in Bangladesh!"The anomaly of a secular Bangladesh | Business Standard

So thousands of Indians living in Bangladesh "illegally"

 

[Cherokee]

So thousands of Indians living in Bangladesh "illegally"

If you say so . After All who else except a PDF Veteran can come up with such random thought Process . Kudos !!

 

[KRAIT]

Why do you think PA focused more on Hindus? If they did so how do you as a Hindu or human feel toward Pakistan?

That there are people who takes killing Hindus as killing Indians. Indians=Hindus is usually the logic people use. I can give many examples here, where the people say that India = Hindus where we have 150 million Muslims too.

I feel religion based attack is general hatred people have, PA also targeted Hindus who had nothing to do with Mukti Bahini. So they thought Hindus as all culprit in 1971.

People forget that even there is a bomb blast in India, Hindus + Muslims both are killed.

I think Pakistan just think about Muslims. For other religion, they are considered as unwanted. Since independence both in BD and Pakistan, Hindus are declining fast whereas in India, Muslims are increasing just like Hindus, even at much faster rate.

India should sent back illegal Muslim immigrants to Bangladesh and allow Hindus from Bangladesh to come.

 

[jeypore]

The anomaly of a secular Bangladesh

Sheikh Hasina should draw a veil over the nation's blood-soaked past, moderate her quest for justice and resolve the dilemma of the Bengali and Muslim identities


Begum Khaleda Zia's snub to Pranab Mukherjee sadly confirmed that Bangladeshis are still fighting yesterday's battles. They still suffer from the dilemma Zulfikar Ali Bhutto tried to exploit by arguing mischievously during the liberation war that if "Muslim Bangla" was primarily Bengali, it should merge with West Bengal. If it was Islamic, it should remain in Pakistan.

The politics of that illogical and unnecessary conflict between religion and language explains why Sheikh Hasina Wazed, whose ruling Awami League is identified with secular linguistic nationalism, baulks at repealing the constitutional amendment, making Islam the state religion. Nearly 91 per cent of Bangladeshis being Muslim, both the Jamaat-i-Islami and Begum Zia's Bangladesh Nationalist Party would exploit any diminution of the role of Islam.

Though not fundamentalists, Ziaur Rahman and General H M Ershad made inroads into Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's secular constitution for populist reasons. Mujib himself rightly blamed the perpetrators of Operations Blitz and Searchlight for the "biggest human disaster in the world" and passed the Collaborators (Special Tribunals) Order only 10 days after returning to Dhaka. Over 37,000 suspected war criminals were rounded up.

They were all freed, however, when Mujib found it expedient to declare a general amnesty in November 1973. Among those released were East Pakistan's last civilian governor, Abdul Motaleb Malik, and an implacable opponent of both liberation and Mujib personally, Shah Azizur Rahman. In a twist of fate in 1979, Rahman became prime minister of the Bangladesh whose birth he had vehemently opposed.

I won't go into Khondakar Mustaque Ahmed's revocation of the Collaborators Order or passage of an Indemnity Act. He is one of the baddies. He promoted Mujib's killers to high rank and sent them abroad as diplomats. But Mujib himself revived the Islamic Academy, achieved a rapprochement with Pakistan, and took Bangladesh into the Organisation of the Islamic Conference and the Islamic Development Bank. Those who knew him towards the end say "Khuda Hafiz" had replaced "Joy Bangla" as his favourite greeting. He was a pragmatist. He was also a politician. Politics is the art of compromise.

No purpose is served by Indians declaiming that the Talibanisation of Bangladesh will imperil our security, or that the Shahbag Square demonstrators have morality on their side. Sheikh Hasina's first priority is survival. While every Bangladeshi leader craves the imprimatur of India's acceptance, no Bangladeshi leader can afford to be seen as India's protégé. Strident secularism would be denounced as not just betraying Islam, but betraying Islam to India.

For precisely that reason, Sheikh Hasina would be well-advised to moderate her quest for justice, which has followed a zigzag path in Bangladesh. As coups and counter-coups succeeded each other, the courts took their cue from the political authority. Even without the complaints of human rights' activists who fault Sheikh Hasina's International Crimes Tribunal for not respecting world standards of due process, whatever she does is likely to be denounced as vengeance.

That is something Mujib's daughter can never afford to forget. Five of her parents' murderers were executed 35 years after the crime. It's time now for her to recall the indulgence Mujib showed to war collaborators and draw a veil over the blood-soaked past. South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission offers a precedent in reaching out to yesterday's enemies to save the future.

Expressions of Indian support for the Shahbag Square demonstrators will only complicate her task. India can help best by expediting the proposed South Asian market and promoting the measures needed to draw Bangladesh into a growth triangle that encompasses the northeastern states and the Bay of Bengal region.

It wasn't fashionable to admit it, but the nine million refugees who fled to India in 1971 were mostly Hindus, victims as much of Pakistani repression as of local Muslim brutality. They didn't want to go back after liberation but had to when Indian army bulldozers razed their camps and Indian soldiers forced them into trucks at bayonet point. I asked a returning Hindu peasant if he regarded himself a Bangladeshi. "No," he replied. "You can call me an Indian living in Bangladesh!"

That may be an inescapable identification. But, otherwise, India must be seen as the friend of all Bangladeshis, not just of a particular lobby. Bangladeshis alone can resolve the dilemma - if one exists - of their Bengali and Muslim identities.

As I have said before in this column, India's best friend would be a Bangladesh that is not paying off old scores, but has come to terms with the past and is at peace with itself.

The anomaly of a secular Bangladesh | Business Standard

Your message is good or probably right, but I have wondered that no one in this thread has looked at the author....

If this is true then I would be really surprised because Hindus have taken a great strides in South African communities as well as New England communities under such stress or minority issues....

 

[A1Kaid]

That there are people who takes killing Hindus as killing Indians. Indians=Hindus is usually the logic people use. I can give many examples here, where the people say that India = Hindus where we have 150 million Muslims too.

I feel religion based attack is general hatred people have, PA also targeted Hindus who had nothing to do with Mukti Bahini. So they thought Hindus as all culprit in 1971.

People forget that even there is a bomb blast in India, Hindus + Muslims both are killed.

I think Pakistan just think about Muslims. For other religion, they are considered as unwanted. Since independence both in BD and Pakistan, Hindus are declining fast whereas in India, Muslims are increasing just like Hindus, even at much faster rate.

India should sent back illegal Muslim immigrants to Bangladesh and allow Hindus from Bangladesh to come.

That there are people who takes killing Hindus as killing Indians. Indians=Hindus is usually the logic people use.

How did the PA know they were Hindus? Do Hindus have a distinct physical marker which sets them apart from a common south Asian or East Pakistani of that time? How could they have so deliberately gone after so many Hindus as you put it, how where they able to distinguish Hindu from non-Hindu please explain how to differentiate especially in military operations where things are done timely.

 

[KS]

How did the PA know they were Hindus? Do Hindus have a distinct physical marker which sets them apart from a common south Asian or East Pakistani of that time? How could they have so deliberately gone after so many Hindus as you put it, how where they able to distinguish Hindu from non-Hindu please explain how to differentiate especially in military operations where things are done timely.

 

[Spring Onion]

If you say so . After All who else except a PDF Veteran can come up with such random thought Process . Kudos !!

if random Indians in Bangladesh say so how can we disagree with Indians

And this picture was debunked as they were Indians doing so

 

[KS]

And this picture was debunked as they were Indians doing so

Whatever. This picture is from a Bangladeshi genocide website maintained by a Bangladeshi muslim.

First query and then if given a proof deny.

Why am I not surprised ?

 

[Cherokee]

if random Indians in Bangladesh say so how can we disagree with Indians

If you would have applied this thought process on ur own soil , things would have been so much better for you guys but alas ....

 

[Spring Onion]

If you would have applied this thought process on ur own soil , things would have been so much better for you guys but alas ....

dahhh Sorry i dont buy your self-styled claims. We can see the plight of those who agreed with you at that time.

anyway back to the topic.

If Hindus in Bangladesh consider themself as Indians owing to their religion then its a clear picture )

 

[KRAIT]

If Hindus in Bangladesh consider themself as Indians owing to their religion then its a clear picture )

First its a big IF. The author give just one example and painted entire community, tehe poster @BDforever said there are Hindu Bangladeshis who hate India.

And why would they call themselves as Indians on base of Religion, India is not a Hindu country, its Hindu dominated country.

 

[newdelhinsa]

The experience I have here on this forum many Bangladeshi Muslims who are apologists of their inception in 1971, and the way they defend Pakistan do consider themselves more Pakistanis than Bangladeshis, but no one write such an articles for them.

There is a major pro Pakistan national party receiving funds from ISI and their goons rioting on streets in thousands of numbers to save war criminals who killed their own mates in 1971, but no one has such an allergy from them, oh may be because they are Muslims, It's all in the family ?

 

[KRAIT]

How did the PA know they were Hindus? Do Hindus have a distinct physical marker which sets them apart from a common south Asian or East Pakistani of that time? How could they have so deliberately gone after so many Hindus as you put it, how where they able to distinguish Hindu from non-Hindu please explain how to differentiate especially in military operations where things are done timely.

First of all, every record is there with officials.

Secondly, every local cop and security personal knows the Hindu areas and colonies as it is part of their job. Ask the watchman, he will tell who is Hindu, who is Muslim.

Third, anyone can be stopped and asked for id card or any proof, like KS posted that picture. It is also done in Riots.

Remember Shia killings where terrorists asked who are Shias and check their id cards, and even asked Sunnis to tell who are Shias,

Similar things happens in riots where neighbors turns against each other. All you have to do is put a gun on head of one child of a person in a colony, he will tell you which are Hindu homes.