Hindu Taqiyya

[KediKesenFare3]

You may wonder about this terminology but I think it's really a matching concept here.

I already talked with some Pakistani users about India's new approach towards the Muslim nations in the Middle East. The Turkish-Indian relation is one good example to see what I was talking about.

Turkey - India

There are historical connections between India and Turkey. The first exchange of diplomatic missions between the Ottoman Sultans and the Muslim rulers of the subcontinent dates back to the years 1481-82. India and Turkey also have a cultural overlap. The Sufi philosophy of Mevlana Jelaluddin Rumi found resonance in the Indian sub-continent with its own traditions of Sufism and the Bhakti movement. There are also many words in common in Hindustani and Turkish languages.


More recent historical contacts between India and Turkey were reflected in the medical mission led by renowned Indian freedom fighter, Dr. M.A. Ansari, to Turkey in 1912 during the Balkan Wars and the Khilafat movement (1919-1924). India also extended support in the 1920s to Turkey’s War of Independence and the formation of the Turkish republic. Mahatma Gandhi himself took a stand against the injustices inflicted on Turkey at the end of World War-I. (...)

Source: Indian Embassy in Turkey

After reading this short introduction, you'd almost think India is a Muslim country.

This text and the recent developments between India and the GCC states are just additional evidence that India is trying to construct a different narrative of its own history to change its perception in the Islamic world.

Modi's main goal is to occupy the rightful place of Pakistan among the Muslim world. It might sound strange at first but if you think about it you'll understand my arguments. New Delhi is trying to show India as Islamic as possible in the Muslim world in order to make Pakistan obsolete.

I know this won't work in the long term but one have to admit in some cases this strategy was successful.

Gentle reminder:

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Getting ostentatiously closer and closer to Sunni Arab Gulf countries, using Pakistan's Muslim legacy to build bridges to Turkey and in some cases even sending only Muslim Indian diplomats to Islamic countries are other examples of this new approach. I call this "Hindu Taqqiya".

 

[Mamluk]

Absolutely brilliant bro. That's exactly what they are up to.
Wish I could give you +ve rating. @Kaptaan @Khafee

 

[Khafee]

Gentle reminder:

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Getting ostentatiously closer and closer to Sunni Arab Gulf countries, using Pakistan's Muslim legacy to build bridges to Turkey and in some cases even sending only Muslim Indian diplomats to Islamic countries are other examples of this new approach. I call this "Hindu Taqqiya".

And then you have this:

http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/sufi-imam-angry-over-modi-refusing-to-wear-his-cap-10847.html

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

You may wonder about this terminology but I think it's really a matching concept here.

I already talked with some Pakistani users about India's new approach towards the Muslim nations in the Middle East. The Turkish-Indian relation is one good example to see what I was talking about.

Turkey - India

There are historical connections between India and Turkey. The first exchange of diplomatic missions between the Ottoman Sultans and the Muslim rulers of the subcontinent dates back to the years 1481-82. India and Turkey also have a cultural overlap. The Sufi philosophy of Mevlana Jelaluddin Rumi found resonance in the Indian sub-continent with its own traditions of Sufism and the Bhakti movement. There are also many words in common in Hindustani and Turkish languages.


More recent historical contacts between India and Turkey were reflected in the medical mission led by renowned Indian freedom fighter, Dr. M.A. Ansari, to Turkey in 1912 during the Balkan Wars and the Khilafat movement (1919-1924). India also extended support in the 1920s to Turkey’s War of Independence and the formation of the Turkish republic. Mahatma Gandhi himself took a stand against the injustices inflicted on Turkey at the end of World War-I. (...)

Source: Indian Embassy in Turkey

After reading this short introduction, you'd almost think India is a Muslim country.

This text and the recent developments between India and the GCC states are just additional evidence that India is trying to construct a different narrative of its own history to change its perception in the Islamic world.

Modi's main goal is to occupy the rightful place of Pakistan among the Muslim world. It might sound strange at first but if you think about it you'll understand my arguments. New Delhi is trying to show India as Islamic as possible in the Muslim world in order to make Pakistan obsolete.

I know this won't work in the long term but one have to admit in some cases this strategy was successful.

Gentle reminder:

_______


Getting ostentatiously closer and closer to Sunni Arab Gulf countries, using Pakistan's Muslim legacy to build bridges to Turkey and in some cases even sending only Muslim Indian diplomats to Islamic countries are other examples of this new approach. I call this "Hindu Taqqiya".

It's called diplomacy and Indias population is 18% muslim, nothing wrong to have them as a bridge between Hindu and Muslim world.

Indias trade relation with Persian gulf states is much bigger than that of Pakistan.

 

[HAIDER]

Indian trade with countries. We need to stop dreaming. Everyone has its own interest and safeguard there national interest .Except us.

 

[NakedLunch]

You may wonder about this terminology but I think it's really a matching concept here.

I already talked with some Pakistani users about India's new approach towards the Muslim nations in the Middle East. The Turkish-Indian relation is one good example to see what I was talking about.

Turkey - India

There are historical connections between India and Turkey. The first exchange of diplomatic missions between the Ottoman Sultans and the Muslim rulers of the subcontinent dates back to the years 1481-82. India and Turkey also have a cultural overlap. The Sufi philosophy of Mevlana Jelaluddin Rumi found resonance in the Indian sub-continent with its own traditions of Sufism and the Bhakti movement. There are also many words in common in Hindustani and Turkish languages.


More recent historical contacts between India and Turkey were reflected in the medical mission led by renowned Indian freedom fighter, Dr. M.A. Ansari, to Turkey in 1912 during the Balkan Wars and the Khilafat movement (1919-1924). India also extended support in the 1920s to Turkey’s War of Independence and the formation of the Turkish republic. Mahatma Gandhi himself took a stand against the injustices inflicted on Turkey at the end of World War-I. (...)

Source: Indian Embassy in Turkey

After reading this short introduction, you'd almost think India is a Muslim country.

This text and the recent developments between India and the GCC states are just additional evidence that India is trying to construct a different narrative of its own history to change its perception in the Islamic world.

Modi's main goal is to occupy the rightful place of Pakistan among the Muslim world. It might sound strange at first but if you think about it you'll understand my arguments. New Delhi is trying to show India as Islamic as possible in the Muslim world in order to make Pakistan obsolete.

I know this won't work in the long term but one have to admit in some cases this strategy was successful.

Gentle reminder:

_______


Getting ostentatiously closer and closer to Sunni Arab Gulf countries, using Pakistan's Muslim legacy to build bridges to Turkey and in some cases even sending only Muslim Indian diplomats to Islamic countries are other examples of this new approach. I call this "Hindu Taqqiya".

Just call it what it is- Hindu hypocrisy.

 

[HAIDER]

Now, why any country will defend Pakistan interest ? .. look at Pakistan trade partners. Not even half of Indian trade.

 

[raptor22]

How " The Sufi philosophy of Mevlana Jelaluddin Rumi " have anything with Turkey culture overlap in India?

 

[ranjeet]

Getting ostentatiously closer and closer to Sunni Arab Gulf countries, using Pakistan's Muslim legacy to build bridges to Turkey and in some cases even sending only Muslim Indian diplomats to Islamic countries are other examples of this new approach. I call this "Hindu Taqqiya".

India doesn't see International diplomacy through the prism of Religion or Sect for that matter. Our Ministry of External Affairs work for the interests of India and Indians around the world and not to please others.

Here is the list of Indian Ambassadors in GCC

UAE: Navdeep Suri
Bahrain: Alok Kumar
Kuwait: Sunil Jain
Oman: Indra Mani Pandey
Qatar: P Kumaran
KSA: Ahmad Javed

One can see clearly see How India has flooded Islamic countries with Muslim Indian Diplomats. Heck I am sure if Hindus were allowed in Mecca and Medina we wouldn't have a Muslim Ambassador in KSA as well.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

It's called diplomacy and Indias population is 18% muslim, nothing wrong to have them as a bridge between Hindu and Muslim world.

Indias trade relation with Persian gulf states is much bigger than that of Pakistan.

There is nothing called "Persian Gulf States". If there are we can call Iran an "Gulf of Oman country" or an "Arabian Sea country".

I think that you are talking about countries of the Arabian Peninsula or Arabian countries.

Besides ancient Arabia and ancient South Asia (what is today Pakistan and parts of India (Western India and Southern India) have had ancient trade ties with Arabia that date back to 3000 BC at least. The IVC civilization was a very close trade partner of nearby civilizations native to Arabia/neighboring Southern Iraq such as Sumer, Dilmun, Magan etc.

This trade naturally continued after Islam and the establishment of the Caliphate (largest empire to date back then).

Now, why any country will defend Pakistan interest ? .. look at Pakistan trade partners. Not even half of Indian trade.
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The GCC has trade ties with India (like every Muslim country has, no denying that) but at least the GCC combined is Pakistan's largest trade partner! By a quite wide margin.

Let alone all the millions of Pakistanis who work or have worked in the GCC in the past few decades. Their remittances are an important source of income for Pakistan.

Anyway my friend, do you propose that GCC cut ties to India so instead other Muslim countries who already trade with India (Turkey, Iran, Indonesia etc.) will fill that gap?

And why complain when you yourself (Pakistan) trade with India?

Arabs controlled trade and some of the most crucial trade routes in history for millennia. We know how to do business and our leaders are not yet that stupid.

Personally though, I am wary of India's Modi and nobody with a brain will trust them blindly.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Getting ostentatiously closer and closer to Sunni Arab Gulf countries

India/indians are very close with Shia and Sunnis Muslims. I don't think the Muslim world cares if the Indians/Modi have a dislike for Islam
Muslims only care for money, and they will do anything for it. Even if it means killing Muslims.

 

[HAIDER]

There is nothing called "Persian Gulf States". If there are we can call Iran an "Gulf of Oman country" or an "Arabian Sea country".

I think that you are talking about countries of the Arabian Peninsula or Arabian countries.

Besides ancient Arabia and ancient South Asia (what is today Pakistan and parts of India (Western India and Southern India) have had ancient trade ties with Arabia that date back to 3000 BC at least. The IVC civilization was a very close trade partner of nearby civilizations native to Arabia/neighboring Southern Iraq such as Sumer, Dilmun, Magan etc.

This trade was continued after Islam.



The GCC has trade ties with India (like every Muslim country has, no denying that) but at least the GCC combined is Pakistan's largest trade partner!

Let alone all the millions of Pakistanis who work or have worked in the GCC in the past few decades. Their remittances are an important source of income for Pakistan.

Anyway my friend, do you propose that GCC cut ties to India so instead other Muslim countries who already trade with India (Turkey, Iran, Indonesia etc.) will fill that gap?

Arabs controlled trade and some of the most crucial trade routes in history for millennia. We know how to do business and our leaders are not yet that stupid.

I know and I fully support GCC position in regards to India. But, we Pakistani are unnecessary emotional and fail to understand that world doesn't revolve around us. I see thousands of arabs students studying in West and they are coming back and getting jobs in home country. Now Pakistani and rest need to face the reality and get ready to come back home....but, again you will see emotional comments time after time....
In next 5 to 6 years , approximately 15,000 Saudi graduates will come back from Canada. Guess ..... you will see another mass deportation from KSA and GCC of foreign workers. But again .... you ll listen more emotional comments.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I know and I fully support GCC position in regards to India. But, we Pakistani are unnecessary emotional and fail to understand that world doesn't revolve around us. I see thousands of arabs students studying in West and they are coming back and getting jobs in home country. Now Pakistani and rest need to face the reality and get ready to come back home....but, again you will see emotional comments time after time....

As if Arabs (people from the Middle East in general) are not emotional?

However I am yet to hear complains from Arabs about Pakistan trading with Iran. This would make no sense as even despite the current Arab-Iranian hostilities, GCC states (UAE and Qatar especially) are some of the largest trading partners of Iran. As are other Arab countries. Even KSA and Iran do trade while we speak.

Anyway I am glad that you can understand the facts I mentioned.

Personally I believe in a free market and if states, even rivals, can trade, the lesser is the chance for conflict and the better we (governments and people) can focus on the most important issues such as education, health care, infrastructure in our respective countries.

Imagine if we (GCC) were located in a more peaceful part of the world, say Southern America. Imagine if we used the money we use on military on something better. Food for thought.

Or the Arab world for that matter. I long for the day when sanity emerges and we can do what really matters. Improving our societies on all fronts. Together. Not against each other.

 

[HAIDER]

As if Arabs (people from the Middle East in general) are not emotional?

However I am yet to hear complains from Arabs about Pakistan trading with Iran. This would make no sense as even despite the current Arab-Iranian hostilities, GCC states (UAE and Qatar especially) are some of the largest trading partners of Iran. As are other Arab countries. Even KSA and Iran do trade while we speak.

Anyway I am glad that you can understand the facts I mentioned.

Personally I believe in a free market and if states, even rivals, can trade, the lesser is the chance for conflict and the better we (governments and people) can focus on the most important issues such as education, health care, infrastructure in our respective countries.

Imagine if we (GCC) were located in a more peaceful part of the world, say Southern America. Imagine if we used the money we use on military on something better. Food for thought.

I live and travel West, in last 10 years KSA and GCC has send thousands of youngster to Canadian and US engineering schools . And I smell a huge expulsion of foreign worker is coming soon.

 

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