Hindu Ramayana and Islam (Allah) in a religious text!

[Valiant_Soul]

His arsh(throne)

Literally, you mean?

 

[Sliver]

Thr reason this find is significant is because this shows a true relationship btw the abrahamic and far eastern religions-a missing link of sorts - since all major eastern religions can be traced to the hindu mythology and all major western to adam ( or abraham for that matter).

If i can find a true source for this, am sure it will be a huge case in point to support that all religions are from a similar source!!!

 

[justanobserver]

since all major eastern religions can be traced to the hindu mythology

Confucianism, Taoism, Shintoism have nothing to do with Hinduism

and all major western to adam ( or abraham for that matter).

I think the reason is simpler. Hinduism, Janism, Buddhism, Sikhism were born in India. Hinduism being much older obviously had a influence. Abrahamic religions were born in the middle east hence the similarity. It's just geography.

Malaysia (or Indonesia) is an example of syncretism, mainly because Islam was brought there through traders rather than conquest

 

[Vimana1]

In Hinduism the Manu is a title accorded to the progenitor of mankind, and also the very first king to rule this earth, who saved mankind from the universal flood.

 

[DesiGuy]

NO RELIGIOUS DISCUSSIONS SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN HERE AT ALL. PERIOD!

 

[true_indian]

I think we should talk about religion without insulting each other's. We need to learn to respect other religions.

 

[Sliver]

Confucianism, Taoism, Shintoism have nothing to do with Hinduism

Yes, thats why I said "Major religions" going by the number of followers, definitely.

I think the reason is simpler. Hinduism, Janism, Buddhism, Sikhism were born in India. Hinduism being much older obviously had a influence. Abrahamic religions were born in the middle east hence the similarity. It's just geography.

Malaysia (or Indonesia) is an example of syncretism, mainly because Islam was brought there through traders rather than conquest

The point is, if these two can be effectively merged without having a backlash from either side, its one way of solving a major religious tussle - for the masses I am talking for!.

Look, its simple, we do this comparative religious study to find out ways and means how every human can co-exist and this was an example where Islamic and Hindu faiths were intertwined. I mean - think of the larger significance if this was acheived in Malaysia - If allah and Ram were in the same religions discourse, Muslims will not have any trouble going to a Hindu place of worship (please DO NOT go into Idol worship not allowed etc etc. I am just proposing the significance of this find) and Hindus would not have a problem with the Islamic/ Christian/ Jewish community centers - effectively unifying almost 85-90% of the world population.

 

[pakdefender]

Apologies if this is a wrong place for the thread but I thought this is something very very interesting - members who have knowledge on this please throw some light on this.

I was researching the Hindu epics and went to Wikipedia for some perspective on variations of that epic ( I will be speaking at a catholic congregation on comparative religions).

I found the following in Wiki :


I am searching for the approximate date of when this variation on Ramayana was written or what its importance is to the local malay community - how does this affect their religion - are they Muslims with Hindu concepts or Hindu with Muslim concepts.. Lots of questions.. but nevertheless, this is a very interesting way to look at the "merging" of the greatest Religions - Abrahamic and Eastern Hindu religion!

trying to create mischief are we ? your question is not as innocent as you have tired to put accross

ravana was the villian in ramayan so what you have posted above does not show that Abrahamic religons and Hinduism have same source , infact it shows the exact opposite and I know where you inted to go with all this

Since you are going to speaking at a catholic gathering tell them to stop drinking the 'blood of christ' and also not eat a white biscuit as the 'body of christ' .. that is about as pagan a practice as can be its not Abrahamic at all.

I can help you with research on these ... in case you need help

 

[CaptainPrice]

I think we should talk about religion without insulting each other's. We need to learn to respect other religions.

Pure right.

 

[amalakas]

The concept of religion is greatly misunderstood throughout and mostly by the people who are blind believers.

Very few ever check the chronology of events, and attribute characteristics to religions long before they ever appeared on the face of the earth disregarding the fact that earlier religions (primitive by "the new believers" standards) already possessed those characteristics in the first place. Arrogant at best.

Someone in this thread asked if God is present in urine,toilets,seamen etc. !!

if God regards these things as f ilthy why would he create them ? How can God be greater than all creation and all creation be a part of him if he is not part of everything?

What kind of arrogance is this, where you assume God is only in things we think as being pure ?

Can God be found in murder ? if not? how can murder exist ? God created man, and he is omnipotent and all knowing, he surely knew man can kill ! and not only that, but following that reasoning, God created man so that man could kill! don't you think ? the question is why ?

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where did evil come from ?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

and don't go tell me, these are blasphemous thoughts, because God gave us our brain and God intended us to use it. Otherwise he would not give it to us.

plus i don't think God would care much if we pray or not, he doesn't have to, he already knew who the good men are and who the bad men are before the universe was ever created.. right ? Because if he didn't know, then he is no God, because there are no limitations to the powers of God. right ? And if he knew who the bad men are and are going to be, and if he knows who the good are and who are going to be, prayer becomes irrelevant. right ?
Because you don't have to prove anything to God, he knows already, he always knew.. he is God !

 

[Sliver]

trying to create mischief are we ? your question is not as innocent as you have tired to put accross

ravana was the villian in ramayan so what you have posted above does not show that Abrahamic religons and Hinduism have same source , infact it shows the exact opposite and I know where you inted to go with all this

Since you are going to speaking at a catholic gathering tell them to stop drinking the 'blood of christ' and also not eat a white biscuit as the 'body of christ' .. that is about as pagan a practice as can be its not Abrahamic at all.

I can help you with research on these ... in case you need help

I have no intention of mischief and the matter ends there. I am going to talk at a catholic congregation as an atheist and as a supporter of harmonious living with other religions - am not even going to talk about athiesm better than theism (poly or mono , doesnt matter to me).

I was researching abt the Ramayana in Wiki and came across this and shared.

And btw, giving boons to Ravana, the villain and hence Allah is negated? dude.. u need to learn about Hindu mythology - Ravana is actually a disciple of Lord Shiva and he gets his boons from Him!

dont jump to conclusions with half knowledge - its dangerous for you and for all people who u will teach later on -(ur kids!) I saw ur other posts (through that - find all posts from user) and all of them are pretty sensible so am sure u can do much better than coming up with this statement.

 

[Lala_Peace]

Something interesting i received in my email.
@ MODS if this is violating any forum rules please delete it.

Excellent explanation of Hinduism which is not just a religion but way of living life




WHY U R A HINDU....!

Four years ago, I was flying from JFK NY Airport to SFO to attend a meeting at Monterey ,
CA An American girl was sitting on the right side, near window seat.
It indeed was a long journey - it would take nearly seven hours.

I was surprised to see the young girl reading a Bible unusual of young Americans. After some time
she smiled and we had few acquaintances talk.I told her that I am from India

Then suddenly the girl asked: 'What's your faith?' 'What?' I didn't understand the question.

'I mean, what's your religion? Are you a Christian? Or a Muslim?'

'No!' I replied, 'I am neither Christian nor Muslim'.
Apparently she appeared shocked to listen to that. 'Then who are you?' 'I am a Hindu', I said.

She looked at me as if she was seeing a caged animal. She could not understand what I was talking about.

A common man in Europe or US knows about Christianity and Islam, as they are the leading
religions of the world today. But a Hindu, what?

I explained to her - I am born to a Hindu father and Hindu mother. Therefore, I am a Hindu by birth.

'Who is your prophet?' she asked.

'We don't have a prophet,' I replied.
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'What's your Holy Book?'

'We don't have a single Holy Book, but we have hundreds and thousands of philosophical and sacred scriptures,' I replied.

'Oh, come on at least tell me who is your God?'

'What do you mean by that?'

'Like we have Jesus and Muslims have Allah - don't you have a God?'

I thought for a moment. Muslims and Christians believe one God (Male God) who created the world
and takes an interest in the humans who inhabit it. Her mind is conditioned with that kind of belief.

According to her (or anybody who doesn't know about Hinduism), a religion needs to have one Prophet,
one Holy book and one God. The mind is so conditioned and rigidly narrowed down to such a notion that
anything else is not acceptable. I understood her perception and concept about faith. You can't compare
Hinduism with any of the present leading religions where you have to believe in one concept of god..

I tried to explain to her: 'You can believe in one god and he can be a Hindu. You may believe in multiple
deities and still you can be a Hindu. What's more - you may not believe in god at all,
still you can be a Hindu. An atheist can also be a Hindu.'

This sounded very crazy to her.. She couldn't imagine a religion so unorganized, still surviving
for thousands of years, even after onslaught from foreign forces.

'I don't understand but it seems very interesting. Are you religious?'
What can I tell to this American girl?

I said: 'I do not go to temple regularly. I do not make any regular rituals. I have learned some of
the rituals in my younger days. I still enjoy doing it sometimes.'

'Enjoy? Are you not afraid of God?'

'God is a friend. No- I am not afraid of God. Nobody has made any compulsions on me to perform these rituals regularly.'

She thought for a while and then asked: 'Have you ever thought of converting to any other religion?'

'Why should I? Even if I challenge some of the rituals and faith in Hinduism, nobody can convert me
from Hinduism. Because, being a Hindu allows me to think independently and objectively,
without conditioning. I remain as a Hindu never by force,but choice.' I told her that Hinduism is not a religion, but a set of
beliefs and practices. It is not a religion like Christianityor Islam because it is not founded by any one person
or does not have an organized controlling body like the Church or the Order, I added.
There is no institution or authority. 'So, you don't believe in God?' she wanted everything in black and white.

'I didn't say that. I do not discard the divine reality. Our scripture, or Sruthis or Smrithis –
Vedas and Upanishads or the Gita - say God might be there or he might not be there.
But we pray to that supreme abstract authority (Para Brahma) that is the creator of this universe.'

'Why can't you believe in one personal God?'

'We have a concept - abstract - not a personal god. The concept or notion of a personal God, hiding behind the clouds of
secrecy, telling us irrational stories through few men whom he sends as messengers, demanding us to worship him or
punish us, does not make sense. I don't think that God is as silly as an autocratic emperor who wants others to respect him
or fear him.' I told her that such notions are just fancies of less educated human imagination and fallacies,
adding that generally ethnic religious practitioners in Hinduism believe in personal gods.
The entry level Hinduism has over-whelming superstitions too.


The philosophical side of Hinduism negates all superstitions.

'Good that you agree God might exist. You told that you pray. What is your prayer then?'

'Loka Samastha Sukino Bhavantu.. Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti,'

'Funny,' she laughed, 'What does it mean?'

'May all the beings in all the worlds be happy. Peace, Peace, Peace..'

'Hmm ..very interesting. I want to learn more about this religion. It is so democratic, broad-minded and free' she exclaimed.

'The fact is Hinduism is a religion of the individual, for the individual and by the individual with its
roots in the Vedas and the Bhagavad-Gita. It is all about an individual approaching a personal
God in an individual way according to his temperament and inner evolution - it is as simple as that.'

'How does anybody convert to Hinduism?'

'Nobody can convert you to Hinduism, because it is not a religion, but a set of beliefs and practices.
Everything is acceptable in Hinduism because there is no single authority
or organization either to accept it or to reject it or to oppose it on behalf of Hinduism.'

I told her - if you look for meaning in life, don't look for it in religions; don't go from one cult to another or from one guru to the next.

For a real seeker, I told her, the Bible itself gives guidelines when it says ' Kingdom of God is within you.' I reminded
her of Christ's teaching about the love that we have for each other. That is where you can find the meaning of life.

Loving each and every creation of the God is absolute and real. 'Isavasyam idam sarvam' Isam (the God)
is present (inhabits) here everywhere - nothing exists separate from the God, because God is present everywhere.
Respect every living being and non-living things as God. That's what Hinduism teaches you.

Hinduism is referred to as Sanathana Dharma, the eternal faith. It is based on the practice of Dharma, the code of life.
The most important aspect of Hinduism is being truthful to oneself. Hinduism has no monopoly on ideas.-
It is open to all. Hindus believe in one God (not a personal one) expressed in different forms.
For them, God is timeless and formless entity.
Ancestors of today's Hindus believe in eternal truths and cosmic laws and these truths are opened to anyone
who seeks them. But there is a section of Hindus who are either superstitious or turned fanatic to make this
an organized religion like others.. The British coin the word 'Hindu' and considered it as a religion.

I said: 'Religions have become an MLM (multi-level- marketing) industry that has been trying to expand the
market share by conversion. The biggest business in today's world is Spirituality. Hinduism is no exception'

I am a Hindu primarily because it professes Non-violence - 'Ahimsa Paramo Dharma' - Non violence
is the highest duty. I am a Hindu because it doesn't conditions my mind with any faith system.
A man/ woman who change 's his/her birth religion to another religion is a fake and does
not value his/her morals, culture and values in life.

I read it...felt so proud not to be a Hindu, but believing in what Hindu way of life expects from me. It is so fulfilling.

 

[prtikul]

Silver, I really appreciate your effort for finding co relation between all religions so everybody can leave in harmony but abrahamic and eastern religions are originated from different sources.

I, as an atheist hindu completely fine with concept of multiple gods,no prophet and no single holy book. Concept about hinduism perfectly given in the post of Lady Gaga so we are completely fine with our religion, there is no need to call Sri Ram as a prophet but we believe he was was incarnation of God Vishnu(I am not indicating you are raising this issue but when co relation topic come for discussion then some members of abrahamic religions love to draw baseless conclusions about our religions in order to imply that prophet is must for every religion).

So basically hinduism is not for conversion, its only way of life so it have no objection of visiting church or mosque.Only some fanatics which are obviously small in numbers are causing problems. We just like to preserve our religion and culture, and there is no opposition for theory of evolution as seen in abrahamic religions, we are not scared by collision between science and religion but just want to preserve our unique culture and religion for us.

Regards..................

 

[The Clarifier]

Guys you should attend Zakir Naik's "Similarities between hinduism and Islam" if you can. If not, buy the DVD.

You will be interested.

All real religions come from one God. They change at the whims of men.

 

[Veeru]

Guys you should attend Zakir Naik's "Similarities between hinduism and Islam" if you can. If not, buy the DVD.

You will be interested.

All real religions come from one God. They change at the whims of men.

No there is no similarity. As our God never forced anyone to follow them and not issue threat to anyone for not recognizing him as one only god.

Hinduism is a voluntary religion we don't force or ask anybody to convert into it.