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Hindu man harassing Imam masjid and other Muslims

I am not looking for your interpretation of Koran .

.I am asking for refrence from Koran, where it asks for use of loud speakers for Azaan, before calling it as a fundamental right of the Muslim.

if interpretations of the religious text is not required, then who got your parents married off? the local paan wala or the pandit?


P.S - use of loudspeakers for Bhajans, kirtans is now banned.

destroying Babri Masjid was also banned. still happened, then land was gifted to the hindus. so banning loudspeakers for bhajans and whatnot is not the same as enforcement of the law. muslim minority wont go around reminding the hindu majority of the law of ban on loudspeakers for hindus. but the hindu majority will go to the muslims to remind them to the law, and then take the law into their own hands with the help of the entire state.
 
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What if a law is made for harassing one community?
Say it noise pollution or Azaan but don't mix. Noise pollution requires silence from all around like temple bells

Do Indians believe it is the fundamental right of Hindus everywhere to disturb the piece of all the people living in the community?

Stop temple bells and Azaan or let them go both.
Temple bells or church bells are not electronically enhanced sounds.

Similarly an Imam can call Azan at the top of his voice there is no ban on it.

Loudspeakers are banned for use both temple kirtans and Azaan.
 
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if interpretations of the religious text is not required, then who got your parents married off? the local paan wala or the pandit?




destroying Babri Masjid was also banned. still happened, then land was gifted to the hindus. so banning loudspeakers for bhajans and whatnot is not the same as enforcement of the law. muslim minority wont go around reminding the hindu majority of the law of ban on loudspeakers for hindus. but the hindu majority will go to the muslims to remind them to the law, and then take the law into their own hands with the help of the entire state.

Are we going offtopic because you are not able to debate on topic.
I am not looking for your interpretations

You say use of loudspeakers for Azaan is fundamental right of the Muslims.. i am ready to believe you ..as long as you show me refrence to use of loudspeakers in Koran.
I am not looking for your interpretation of Koran.

You should not talk about destruction of Babri Masjid ..when your most holy site has been built by destroying temples and the idols of native population of Mecca.
 
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I am not looking for your interpretation of Koran.

lets play your game then. are firecrackers allowed in hinduism for use in diwali and other hindu festivals?

You should not talk about destruction of Babri Masjid

where is the proof that Babri Masjid was built on top of a destroyed temple?

when your most holy site has been built by destroying temples and the idols of native population of Mecca.

the Kaaba was originally built by Prophets Ibrahim and Ismael, with no idols. the idol worshippers took over the place after a while and polluted it by placing idols there. so the biological and spiritual descendants of Ibrahim and Ismael took back Mecca and restored it to its original state and purpose. so we took back what we built and what always belonged to us.
 
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he didnt just become a coward. he became a communist.

Why don't you become a communist and see for yourself how "cowardly" it is, especially in South Asia ? :lol:

Diwali and Holi are one day a year ..Azaan is 5 times a day.. understand the difference.

Diwali / Deepawali is a festival of light through lighting the 'deepa' ( small oil-burning clay lamp ). Where is it written in Hindu scriptures that you have to use maddening-sounding and crazy-lighting China-origin firecrackers ?

Below is a petition filed in the Indian Supreme Court in 2015 against firecrackers :
As the festival season arrives, fear of pollution reaching abysmal levels is on a rise.

In a first-of-its-kind case, parents of three toddlers, aged between six and 14 months have approached the Supreme Court seeking its intervention to stop the use of loud firecrackers during Dussehra and Diwali, asserting their children’s right to be brought up in a pollution-free environment.

According to news published by Hindustan Times, petitioners Arjun Goyal, Aarav Bhandari and Zoya Rao Bhasin – all between six to 14 months have sought the apex court’s intervention as authorities have failed to take adequate measures to curb air and noise pollution.

“They are foremost prone to lung disease, asthma, coughing, bronchitis, retarded nervous system development and cognitive impairment,” the petitioners submitted and urged the court to issue immediate orders restraining government agencies from issuing licences for sale of firecrackers in the Capital.

Vulnerable infants

The widespread use of firecrackers in Delhi – declared the most polluted city in the world by the World Health Organization – during the festive season exposes vulnerable infants to severe diseases such as asthma and worsens their lung conditions, the petition said.

Asserting their fundamental right to a clean and healthy environment under Article 21, the toddlers said, “The right to breathe clean air is essential for a conducive environment for growth and development.”

Though the Supreme Court has declared the state as the protector of natural resources, the latter has failed to perform its job effectively, the petition alleged.

Authorities haven’t laid down any guidelines to ensure that manufacturers or sellers conform to environmental norms while distributing these crackers. A look at the licences will “show that environmental and pollution concerns are furthest from the minds of the Government representatives,” the petition said.

Several reports from health journals and research papers were given to the court in support of the petition to show how pollutants released from fireworks worsen the lung conditions of children.

“The imminent advent of festivals that involve widespread fireworks are a clear and present danger to the health of the Applicants and the other children who are residents of Delhi,” the petition said.

It cited a study in Bangalore that shows how a widespread awareness campaign and enforcement mechanisms led to a sharp 32 per cent decrease in pollution levels there during Diwali time in 2013 compared to a year ago. The petition said the ruling brought some respite to Delhi residents but studies thereafter revealed that cases of wheezing, respiratory diseases, exacerbation of bronchial asthma and bronchitis increase by 40 per cent during Diwali.

Meanwhile, the National Green Tribunal on Monday sought response from the Union Government on a lawyer's plea seeking designated time and place for use of firecrackers during festivals like Diwali.

A bench headed by Justice U D Salvi issued notice to Union Ministry of Environment Forests and Climate Change (MoEFCC), Ministry of Commerce and Industry, Petroleum and Explosives Safety Organisation and others while seeking their reply by October 12.

According to Economic Times, the plea moved by advocate Piyush Singh says there is severe impact of firecrackers on the environment and causes air and noise pollution. Singh had contended in his plea that the chemicals released into the environment due to bursting of crackers caused negative effects on the health and "every individual especially children, pregnant women and old people are at an increased risk of suffering health complications due to it".

The petition has also referred to a Supreme Court judgement that said, "In no religious text book it is written that Diwali has to be celebrated by bursting crackers. Diwali is considered as a festival of lights, not of noise."

Earlier in 2005, the Supreme Court had issued directions to restrict the use of fireworks and fixed 10 pm deadline for their use. It also changed the basis for evaluating fireworks from the noise level to its chemical composition.
 
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Why don't you become a communist and see for yourself how "cowardly" it is, especially in South Asia ? :lol:

if i had interest in becoming a murtad, then sure why not. or i could just become a scientologist or anything else. one form of kufr is as good as the other.
 
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lets play your game then. are firecrackers allowed in hinduism for use in diwali and other hindu festivals?



where is the proof that Babri Masjid was built on top of a destroyed temple?



the Kaaba was originally built by Prophets Ibrahim and Ismael, with no idols. the idol worshippers took over the place after a while and polluted it by placing idols there. so the biological and spiritual descendants of Ibrahim and Ismael took back Mecce and restored it to its original state and purpose. so we took back what we built and what always belonged to us.

Funnily enough fire crackers have also been banned on Diwali because of all the air pollution.

Know the difference between fiction and reality. Temples and Idols of natives were destroyed by Prophet Muhammad to make room for a Mosque is reality.

A couple of Jews went all the way to Mecca and established a synagogue there is fiction.
Why don't you become a communist and see for yourself how "cowardly" it is, especially in South Asia ? :lol:



Diwali / Deepawali is a festival of light through lighting the 'deepa' ( small oil-burning clay lamp ). Where is it written in Hindu scriptures that you have to use maddening-sounding and crazy-lighting China-origin firecrackers ?

Below is a petition filed in the Indian Supreme Court in 2015 against firecrackers :

 
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So that monster bell is not disturbing anyone? Here we were talking about the noise pollution i think?
Disturbance can be anything electric or not. It can't be justified.

Oh yes stop the flight operations and trains as well.




Temple bells or church bells are not electronically enhanced sounds.

Similarly an Imam can call Azan at the top of his voice there is no ban on it.

Loudspeakers are banned for use both temple kirtans and Azaan.
 
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Funnily enough fire crackers have also been banned on Diwali because of all the air pollution.

that is not what i asked. where are firecrackers allowed in hinduism texts?

Know the difference between fiction and reality. Temples and Idols of natives were destroyed by Prophet Muhammad to make room for a Mosque is reality.

i know my religion better than you. Kaaba was built by Prophets Ibrahim and Ismael. its always belonged to muslims, before the idol worshipers took over. this is corroborated by verses in the Bible as well.
 
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that is not what i asked. where are firecrackers allowed in hinduism texts?



i know my religion better than you. Kaaba was built by Prophets Ibrahim and Ismael. its always belonged to muslims, before the idol worshipers took over. this is corroborated by verses in the Bible as well.

No, and that is why they have been banned, now what about loudspeakers and Azaan ?

You can choose to believe the mythology, that is your choice..

But by any standards Mecca has been built by destroying the worshiping places of natives, who had been worshiping there for centuries.
Haiga Sofia was most revered church of Christendom, was converted into a Mosque.

Somnath temple one of the most revered site of Hinduism was destroyed by Ghazni( after whom you name your missiles) so who are you talk about destruction of Babri Masjid ??


So that monster bell is not disturbing anyone? Here we were talking about the noise pollution i think?
Disturbance can be anything electric or not. It can't be justified.

Oh yes stop the flight operations and trains as well.

Low Flights are not allowed over residential areas.

A manual bell or an Imam shouting Azan at the top of his lungs, does not have the same decibel level as loudspeakers. So ya they are not banned.
 
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A manual bell or an Imam shouting Azan at the top of his lungs, does not have the same decibel level as loudspeakers. So ya they are not banned.
See, I understand that you don’t like Muslims because it’s the natural state between Muslims and Hindus. No feel good slogan can help that. So just admit that you are defending them because shitting on Muslims is what Hindus do when they are unsupervised. No need for rationalizations, Muslims ruled India for over a millennia so give them rights according to their history and impact.

When Muslims are traditional you say that they are backwards, when they use modern tools like loudspeakers you also bitch about them. Just admit you hate Muslims and be done with it.
 
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if i had interest in becoming a murtad, then sure why not.

You are using cliched words to hide your cowardliness and non-wisdom.

Tell me, dog or cat, what is your animal ?

or i could just become a scientologist or anything else. one form of kufr is as good as the other.

Comparing scientific Communism to a cult ? I quote from Wikipedia page for Scientology :
Scientology followers believe that a human is an immortal, spiritual being (Thetan) that is resident in a physical body. The Thetan has had innumerable past lives and it is observed in advanced (and – within the movement – secret) Scientology texts that lives preceding the Thetan's arrival on Earth were lived in extraterrestrial cultures
The material contained in the OT levels has been characterized as bad science fiction by critics, while others claim it bears structural similarities to gnostic thought and ancient Hindu beliefs of creation and cosmic struggle.
As noted, elements of the Eastern religions are evident in Scientology, in particular the concept of karma found in Hinduism and Jainism. In addition to the links to Hindu texts, Scientology draws from Taoism and Buddhism.


New Delhi: The Supreme Court today said that only firecrackers with reduced emission and decibel levels will be permitted during all festivals.
What decides what is "reduced emission and decibel levels" ?

And this is India. A country where breaking rules is socially very acceptable.

Not too distant from my house there have been people launching multi-rocket fireworks late at night.

And I have seen three boys fire off a rocket into a busy road and they laughing.

Simple. Fireworks should not be allowed in India. Anywhere really. I believe China has banned fireworks. Think. The gunpowder inventor country banning fireworks. One aspect of China I like.
 
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See, I understand that you don’t like Muslims because it’s the natural state between Muslims and Hindus. No feel good slogan can help that. So just admit that you are defending them because shitting on Muslims is what Hindus do when they are unsupervised. No need for rationalizations, Muslims ruled India for over a millennia so give them rights according to their history and impact.

When Muslims are traditional you say that they are backwards, when they use modern tools like loudspeakers you also bitch about them. Just admit you hate Muslims and be done with it.

Indians be that Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs or Christians ..they are Indians and are my countrymen and my brothers and sisters.

But what is wrong js wrong. To distrub the peace of others for the sake of your faith is wrong. I use to love fire crackers especially on new year .. Christmas .. Diwali. But they create noise and air polution have been banned in India and I support the ban.

On the other hand, I don't like Pakistanis and not because they are Muslims ..but because they are Pakistanis..hope you understand why.
 
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This has to be a give and take. If the Indian Muslims have to stop doing the azaan on loudspeakers ( and start using the cell phone app Muslim Pro ) then the Hindus have to also stop prayers and songs from Ganapati pandals; the maddening fireworks during Deepawali / Diwali, Dussehra, wedding processions; help other communities to eliminate the 35+ million stray dogs in India ( maddening sound among other things ); abolish privately-owned personal transport vehicles ( imagine their noise ).

India is a disharmonious society largely. Let's together begin to make it harmonious.
no, those are once a year events and we'll celebrate all of them with even more nationalist pride and fervour in the decades ahead.

strays will be looked after by people

azan is best dealt with at the local panchayat and municipality levels, if enough people want it gone, the local leaders should ban them. Modi and the centre would be best advised to not stray there and have people make it a national issue. Ek ek kar ke band honge ;)
just like no one wants to hear temple bells and bhajans, but its still tolerated by muslims.
In Pakistan ?

really ?
Keep up the good work. Our objectives will be achieved without firing a single bullet.
We plan to achieve our objectives without firing a shot too.

Great, a new era of peace will soon dawn upon up.
 
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You are using cliched words to hide your cowardliness and non-wisdom.

Tell me, dog or cat, what is your animal ?



Comparing scientific Communism to a cult ? I quote from Wikipedia page for Scientology :







What decides what is "reduced emission and decibel levels" ?

And this is India. A country where breaking rules is socially very acceptable.

Not too distant from my house there have been people launching multi-rocket fireworks late at night.

And I have seen three boys fire off a rocket into a busy road and they laughing.

Simple. Fireworks should not be allowed in India. Anywhere really. I believe China has banned fireworks. Think. The gunpowder inventor country banning fireworks. One aspect of China I like.
Read the detailed supreme court ruling on ban on sale of firecrackers.. they have given guidelines on reduced emissions and reduced noise fireworks or green fireworks and are allowed only once a year for 2 hours windows.

And ofcourse it is India ..it takes time for any ruling to be effective and become a norm.
 
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