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Pointing out Wahhabi stupidity is a sin :omghaha:

It seems you do not understand the graph or what I say Rafidah (playing your game that you began). Not the first time it seems. Who the hell made you a PDF Veteran? Judging from your posts then your intellect is seriously limited. It's not like we are discussing rocket science. I suggest that you reread the discussion from your little entrance and until this very post that I am writing in this very moment of time.
 
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The conflict is 1400 years old and learned people in Islam always knew very well about the difference since ancient times. The ordinary Joe might have not especially if he was illiterate which most people in the Middle East where just 100 years ago and the world for that matter.

Are you talking about the Mullahs in Iran or the Safavids who forcibly converted Iran from Sunni Islam to the Shia Twelver Sect 500 years ago and killed hundreds of thousands of people in the process?

Also since there are no Sunnis left in Iran that's hardly a surprise. I thought that your family was secular or was that another Iranian member here?

Anyway we are quite off-topic already.:omghaha:



WRONG!!!!

the Safavids did not forcefully convert people, that is a Wahhabi propaganda.

The majority of Iranian were Shia by choice and lived under Sunni rule.

Every single Iranian Islamic personality from Hafez to Ibin Sina are all SHIA MUSLIMS.

Safavids made Shia muslim the state official religion.
 
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I've to be honest, but they actually did. Not that I am against it.


No they did not, please read about it from trustable books and historians NOT Wikipedia pages that use Wahhabi and Saudi funded sources.

By the time Safavids took over Iran about 60 to 70 percent of the population were already Shia. Half were Twelver and the other half were seveners also known as Ismaili. The Safavids made twelver Shia Islam the official religion and eventually wiped out other sects.

If you go to Semnan, Mazandaran, khurasan, all those still have ismaili population and their history traces back way before 1500's.


the whole Wahhabi propaganda that Safavids "forcefully" converted the Sunni Iranians was partly made up and widely spread after 1979... and I think we all know why......

Also, some western historians took the same tone that the Sunnis were slaughtered and "evil" Safavids forcefully converted the poor Sunni Iranian people.


If you read about Iran's history and know the timeline of each dynasty and each poet or philosopher , etc.. and whether they were shia or Sunni, the idea that Iran was Sunni before 1500's sounds ludicrous, doesn't connect or align with factual realities.



One example: One of the most important Shia Imams in Iran, Imam Reza in Mashhad, khurasan died in 818. Was he Sunni? The Safavids took over much much later than that!

Anyway, my point is that the idea that Iran was exclusively Sunni and the Safavids "forced" them to be Shia is a Wahhabi Lie!
 
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=al-Hasani;4401437]We Sunnis form 90 % of the Muslims. Your so-called "real Islam" is a tiny little sect that 90 % of all Muslims want nothing to do with.

First how come a Wahhabi al-Hasani speaking on behalf of Sunnis? 100% of the Sunnis or shias want nothing to do with Wahhabiusm.

Also stop commenting on Arab matters that you firstly have no knowledge about and secondly do not concern you at all.

Keep telling you the same over and over again this is public forum plus its called pakistan defense forum.
But then i remember over 124000 messengers were sent to earth by Almighty to so Arabs can get the message if they couldn't do it what makes me think you will listen to me


The Libyans liberated their country from a crazy dictator and after the nation will be fully rebuilt they will be much better off. They already are on many fronts.

Talking about dicktakers 100,000 personals to protect house of saud from Arabian people not to mention over 200,000 americans stationed closer by to protect their assets other dictakkers in the area.

talking about trash how is Mubarak

Now go kiss a poster of Khomeini for me rafidah.[/QUOTE]

I rather do that any time then to do your job kissing American *** every day my Wahhabi friend.:cheesy:

WRONG!!!!

the Safavids did not forcefully convert people, that is a Wahhabi propaganda.

The majority of Iranian were Shia by choice and lived under Sunni rule.

Every single Iranian Islamic personality from Hafez to Ibin Sina are all SHIA MUSLIMS.

Safavids made Shia muslim the state official religion.

124,000 for centuries couldn't preach them the right way what makes you think he will listen to you good luck trying.
 
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No they did not, please read about it from trustable books and historians NOT Wikipedia pages that use Wahhabi and Saudi funded sources.

It was, however, nothing less than a reign of terror that inaugurated the new dispensation. On capturing Tabriz in 907/1501, a city two-thirds Sunnite in population, Shah Esmāʿil threatened with death all who might resist the adoption of Shiʿite prayer ritual in the main congregational mosque, and he had Qezelbāš soldiers patrol the congregation to ensure that none raise his voice against the cursing of the first three caliphs, viewed as enemies of the Prophet’s family. In Tabriz and elsewhere, gangs of professional execrators known as the tabarrāʾiān would accost the townsfolk at random, forcing them to curse the objectionable personages on pain of death. Selective killings of prominent Sunnites occurred in a large number of places, notably Qazvin and Isfahan, and in Shiraz and Yazd, outright massacres took place. Sunnite mosques were desecrated, and the tombs of eminent Sunnite scholars destroyed (Aubin, 1970, pp. 237-38; idem, 1988, pp. 94-101).

An integral part of the Safavid imposition of Shiʿism was the eclipsing or suppressing of the Sufi orders, most of them Sunnite in their orientation. As Ebn Karbalāʾi lamented, Shah Esmāʿil “uprooted and eradicated most of the lineages of sayyeds and shaikhs” and “crushed all the selselas [lines of succession], destroying the graves of their ancestors, not to mention what befell their successors” (II, pp. 159, 491). The extirpation of the Kāzaruniya, the oldest Sufi order in Persia existing at the time, was certainly abrupt and thoroughgoing: when Shah Esmāʿil conquered Fars in 909/1503, he desecrated the tomb in Kāzarun of its founder, Abu Esḥāq, and massacred some 4,000 people in its vicinity (Aubin, 1959, p. 58). In general, however, the process was gradual and sporadic, if unmistakable in its tendency; the mid-10th/16th century appears to have been a turning point. Although the Lālaʾi branch of the Kobrawiya to which Ebn al-Karbalāʾi belonged never converted to Shiʿism, one of its members served Shah Esmāʿil as ṣadr (q.v. at iranica.com) before all trace of this hereditary line of shaikhs disappeared.

IRAN ix. RELIGIONS IN IRAN (2) Islam in Iran ? Encyclopaedia Iranica
 
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It seems you do not understand the graph or what I say Rafidah (playing your game that you began). Not the first time it seems. Who the hell made you a PDF Veteran? Judging from your posts then your intellect is seriously limited. It's not like we are discussing rocket science. I suggest that you reread the discussion from your little entrance and until this very post that I am writing in this very moment of time.

Me discussing rocket science with a swine made me fall on the ground laughing.:omghaha:
 
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You seem to be reading from a source that tends to HATE SHIA ISLAM, and wants to completely wipe out the Shia identity from Iran !

Iranica is the most trustworthy source there is on the internet about Iran's history.
 
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Not going to waste my time with an deluded Shia Twelver (Cheetah786). I am sure that you would pass the test to become a Basij so you could arrange fake demonstrations and stab protestors or shot them while driving past them. Like in 2009. I just saw an Iranian made documentary about the protests back in 2009 yesterday evening and also about the Prophet Muhammad (saws) Cartoon protests back in 2006 where a Danish journalist travelled across the Middle East (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and lastly Iran) one year after the publication of the cartoons and he met an 70 year old man who was an expert in arranging demonstrations among the radical elements and for that he got a little piece of land in Karaj (I think that was the name of the city - it was outside of Tehran) while visiting Iran and he also told how he lost his two sons and a brother during the Iraq-Iran war.

The individual I am talking about is the one on the right. The person on the left is the Danish journalist. The picture was taken at his home in Karaj. The documentary aired at the program DR2 on Danish television yesterday at 23.10 local time. The documentary was made in 2007 and is called "Why Democracy? - De forbandede tegninger". My Danish is not fluent since I am only studying here temporary but a Danish speaker would confirm it.

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Here is the link:

http://www.***.dk/boern_og_unge/und...aterialer/andre-materialer/why-democracy.aspx

Since you constantly like to talk about me and my beliefs, despite knowing very well that I am a Sunni of the Shafi'i fiqh like most Hejazis and Yemenis, then I would like to point out that I am a Meccan Hashemite (Ashraf). My father's lineage where Sharif's of Makkah. Secondly what you call "Wahhabi" (Nobody calls themselves that) is the Hanbali fiqh which is one of the 4 recognized Sunni madahib. The other being the Shafi'i, Hanafi and Maliki madahib. The Hanbali fiqh is indeed known to be one of the more conservative ones but that is besides the point.

Now, I know your very well on this forum and I know that your intellect and knowledge about the Arab world and Islam is extremely limited so it is even a waste of time for me to write this post.


All this is well-known. But I guess this is the work of Arabs and Sunni Muslims too given that it is the Encyclopaedia Iranica. Even Western (secular sources) have written about it.

Actually the most famous Iranian scholars were Sunnis and Iran was majority Sunni for the first many centuries. Until the Safavids gained foothold. There might have been regions that had Twelvers or Ismailis but the most populated areas where majority Sunni as even the sources proof.

Anyway this is all the past and not that important anymore other than pinpointing sectarianism which is not a foreign word or phenomenon in Iran.

Lastly the Safavids imported many Arab Shias to Iran to help the process of conversions. They did that by giving them land and a good pension.

From my knowledge then the only Arabs who initially came to Iran and settled and founded cities such as Qom, Mashhad etc. settled in Khorasan or either emigrated further away or moved back to the Arab world. There is even a little village in the Khorasan province where ancient Khorasani Arabic is spoken. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that there are less than 50.000 Khorasani Arabs left and they have probably mixed with the locals?

Ulrich Seeger The Arabic Dialect of Khorasan

Aside from Khuzestan and the Southern Coastal areas in Iran then all the remaining Arabs are fairly new arrivals and mostly of a clerical background.
 
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Iranica is the most trustworthy source there is on the internet about Iran's history.

according to ???

Historians with opposing views can't pitch , only pro-Shahi people are allowed to write their own version of history, and try to only glorify Persian empire and their hatred for Islam, specially Shia Islam.

Anyway like I said, this is getting off topic.
 
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Wonder why Wahhabi preachers scared from Real Islam spreading :victory:

Well, Ahmadis think they adhere to the "rightful Islam" and so are you. Islam was spread mainly by Muslim leaders whom you hate the most in an area spanning from Morocco to Indonesia including Iran which it's people were forcefully converted to an invented religion. The rightful Islam was embraced by millions of people in three continents withen decades while your religion was invented centuries ago and it's adherents are barely 10% of Muslims. There is nothing so called "Wahabi" and if there was any they are not Muslim problem but rather it's you and your kind.
 
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Let everyone follow their beliefs and Let leave the judgement for Allah All mighty. We all should care about Pakistan a biggest victim of terrorism. We already lost 24000 soldiers and over 23000 civilians, plus thousands disable permanently. Lost 63 Billion dollars of economy . But unfortunately , in whole scenario our country was play ground of foreign forces and we all know very well.And we all know who are the players of the game.
 
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BLACKEAGLE;4403320]Well, Ahmadis think they adhere to the "rightful Islam" and so are you.

So are you!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Islam was spread mainly by Muslim leaders whom you hate the most

My hate is for House of Saud and other puppets what do they have to do with Islam.


in an area spanning from Morocco to Indonesia including Iran which it's people were forcefully converted to an invented religion.

Invented Religion oh yes sheik AL wahab is well known inventor whose invention is being used know a days by people spreading hatred and lets not forget he was disowned by his family and teachers.

The rightful Islam was embraced by millions of people in three continents within decades while your religion was invented centuries ago and it's adherents are barely 10% of Muslims.

Qur'an itself testifies that the Prophet is the final seal of the divinely appointed Messengers?

There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his (Last) Messenger.

And then comes Sheiks AL Wahhab a reject? Whoes teaching are followed by get ready for this Wahhabi and your beloved House of Saud.Who by the way also claim to be Sunnis but follw the teaching of person who was rejected by his family and teachers? which one is it Einstein.

SUNNI
Sunni collections also differ based on the School of Sunni Islam. Abu-Hanifa, Ibn Hanbal, Ash-Shafi'i, and Ibn Annas of the Hanafi, Hanbali, Shafi'i, and Maliki Schools each have their own collections.

CONVENIENTLY WHEN IT COMES TO COUNTING WAHHABI COUNT THEMSELVES AMONG SUNNIS BUT AT THE SAME TIME KILL THE ONES WHO DON'T FOLLOW THEIR TEACHINGS.

There is nothing so called "Wahabi" and if there was any they are not Muslim problem but rather it's you and your kind.

STOP IT YOU ARE MAKING ME CRY .You are not given the right to judge oh Muslim you. If you were a real Muslim you would know that but till you learn Islam. i suggest you and your kind will be called Wahhabi.
 
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