Hazaras leaving for Australia to take refuge

[haviZsultan]

Not just australia. Have seen them in the city of Karachi and many in Dubai and Toronto. They are leaving and they are leaving fo good. Thanks to the government inaction against LEJ our own people are not safe in their land.

 

[muse]

Not just australia. Have seen them in the city of Karachi and many in Dubai and Toronto. They are leaving and they are leaving fo good. Thanks to the government inaction against LEJ our own people are not safe in their land.

Why just point to the surface, after all, whose ideology do they follow? ere do they get their funding from? who protects them? And above all, why overlook who dogs they really are?

 

[Developereo]

The fact sheet you are reading off is pure Labor party propaganda. It's well documented a lot of bogus people are getting their claims accepted.

The fact sheet contains data going back several decades, INCLUDING the decades under Liberal and Labor Party rule. Perhaps you can provide verifiable statistics to back your "well documented" claims to large scale fraud in the refugee system.

Right wing talk radio blabbering doesn't count as verifiable statistics.

Everything in my post above still stands.

Everything in your post is unadulterated racist bullshit spread by xenophobic media. The FACTS and STATISTICS collected by the Australian government show your claims to be 100% BULLSHIT.

When the Liberal party is elected in September, all boats from Sri Lanka will be turned around as the people coming are not legitimate.

It was Malcolm Fraser, the doyen of the Liberal Party, who opened up Australia's immigration policies and challenged the Australian people to rise above xenophobia.

Pity that the current Liberal leadership (and Labor) are not worthy to lick his boots and he has come out forcefully against the blatant xenophobic lies being spread by the media and being repeated by people like you.

It kind of sucks for the Australian economy and they already have a proper process oriented way of coming there if you are applying through skilled migration.

Skilled migration and refugee are two separate streams.

For your information, it is FAR, FAR easier to dupe the Australian skilled migration program than to be a fake refugee. Australia took in literally THOUSANDS of (mostly Indian and Chinese) migrants claiming to be hairdressing and cooking "students" -- many of these schools didn't even have working ovens.

 

[Awesome]

Why just point to the surface, after all, whose ideology do they follow? ere do they get their funding from? who protects them? And above all, why overlook who dogs they really are?

Whose dogs are they?

 

[Developereo]

Some additional info (from the above-linked document).

Australia gets two groups of refugees: in boats and by air.
The "boat people" have a much higher acceptance rate than the ones by air.
The "boat people" (more genuine) are mostly Muslim (plus a small number of Sri Lankan Tamils).
The air arrivals (less genuine) are from SE Asia, China, India and Pakistan.

The media has made scapegoats out of "boat people", turning a few thousand desperate souls into some sort of major national security threat for Australia.

 

[Awesome]

Skilled migration and refugee are two separate streams.

For your information, it is FAR, FAR easier to dupe the Australian skilled migration program than to be a fake refugee. Australia took in literally THOUSANDS of (mostly Indian and Chinese) migrants claiming to be hairdressing and cooking "students" -- many of these schools didn't even have working ovens.

Cooks? After being totally wowed by Australian Masterchef kids... I don't see how that's possible.

As far as I know, there are middle tier authorities that wet your capability and skill level up to the required Aussie level. Its not the embassy's fault if they those middle tier authorities are not doing their jobs properly, they will go with what those authorities say.

But that sucks to find that out, I was actually impressed by their system when we went over it with Roybot earlier. In other countries getting an immigration is a coin toss, in the Australian system I thought there was proper wetting of the individual. This is again a problem for the genuine applicant, since when he goes out to apply for jobs, the potential employer would have a bias against that guy. So being approved as a skilled immigrant SHOULD technically also be some sort of attestation that you are worth being there.

Some additional info (from the above-linked document).

Australia gets two groups of refugees: in boats and by air.
The "boat people" have a much higher acceptance rate than the ones by air.
The "boat people" (more genuine) are mostly Muslim (plus a small number of Sri Lankan Tamils).
The air arrivals (less genuine) are from SE Asia, China, India and Pakistan.

The media has made scapegoats out of "boat people", turning a few thousand desperate souls into some sort of major national security threat for Australia.

How are boat people more genuine? Define genuine?

 

[doppelganger]

Australia is a huge country with small pockets of population. Its more than a country. It is a continent. With huge natural resources and land. They should throw open their doors to anyone who wants to come over, as long as he is not a security threat.

 

[Awesome]

Australia is a huge country with small pockets of population. Its more than a country. It is a continent. With huge natural resources and land. They should throw open their doors to anyone who wants to come over, as long as he is not a security threat.

Yeah and screw over the people who already living there? The average unskilled bloke in Australia deserves to get unskilled jobs and make a decent living off of it. Now if unskilled people from our countries come, they will need jobs too, and they will then compete for those jobs.

They should bring in genuine cases and skilled ones where possible. Its a policy our countries would do well to adopt.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Hazars people can't leave Pakistan, if they does with illegal way, then they will again suffer and shot at the spot.

Either way they would get shot. Leaving is better option in both case.

 

[A1Kaid]

Sad Pakistan has not done enough to protect them, they have to leave due to pathetic Government and Afghan/Pathan/whatever cavemen suicide bombers attacking their community.

 

[True pakistani 22]

Thousands of Shias lost there life in Iraq
that not means thay should leave Iraq

 

[doppelganger]

Yeah and screw over the people who already living there? The average unskilled bloke in Australia deserves to get unskilled jobs and make a decent living off of it. Now if unskilled people from our countries come, they will need jobs too, and they will then compete for those jobs.

They should bring in genuine cases and skilled ones where possible. Its a policy our countries would do well to adopt.

My point is, they have huge amount of land and natural resources. Which the current population of Australia cannot exploit fully because the population is so small, and the land so vast. So make it a business proposition. Sort of like the old West when the pilgrims and settlers came in. New towns will spring up. Commerce will grow. So will lawlessness. But eventually Australia will grow. This is eventually going to happen anyways in the world, with some nations bursting at the seams, while others are dying away into old age and non-productiveness. Might as well legalize and structure and control the process.

 

[Kompromat]

They should be prepared to be locked up in an open air jail for about 3 years.

 

[Fieldmarshal]

It is all B.S !!!

they are all economic migrants and it has nothing to do with security. They have been doing it for for more than two decade now. before they were posing them selves as afghan hazaras since the time of the taliban and seeking assulum in aus, their line being that they are not safe in afghanistan under the taliban.
which was a complete lie as they werent afghan hazara in the first place. so while they were enjoying living in melboure suburb of dandenong the actual afghan hazara was living in refugee camps in Pakistan/iran. their is a very large no. living in melb infact the largest hazara community lives in dandenong melb.
now they have a oppertunity of a life time the one they have been waiting for all their lives and they have jumped at it like their is no tomorrow.

Now i know all this as i my self have lived in melb for many years and am a regular visitor to australia.

so question is if ur this desprate to leave Pakistan by hook or crook, u would be willing to do things that one cant even dream off and the death a few inocent people here n their in this day n time in Pakistan, which serves the purpose completly cant be than far fetched.............

(just a suggestion not a condemnation)

 

[xdrive]

The fact sheet contains data going back several decades, INCLUDING the decades under Liberal and Labor Party rule. Perhaps you can provide verifiable statistics to back your "well documented" claims to large scale fraud in the refugee system.

The information i'm providing is between 2007 and now. Our next government has already acknowledged the problems i outlined in my previous posts, hence why they will be turning back all boats from Sri Lanka. They have access to even more information relating to refugee processing than we and the media do. Are you saying they are lying?

Here is a few media links for you to read about the flood of bogus asylum seekers being let in. But no doubt you will reject it with "oh the media are racist and biased" which seems to be your standard line across every thread.

Migration system besieged by bogus asylum claims - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian
Warning on bogus refugee claims
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Right wing talk radio blabbering doesn't count as verifiable statistics.

Don't bother trying to start this whole "anyone on the right is an extremist" narrative.

It was Malcolm Fraser, the doyen of the Liberal Party, who opened up Australia's immigration policies and challenged the Australian people to rise above xenophobia.

That has 0 relevance to anything we are talking about. This isn't a debate on immigration. Australians support immigration and a refugee program. Whipping out words like "xenophobia" is the stock standard thing when it comes to pointing our the fact that bogus asylum seekers are being let in.

Pity that the current Liberal leadership (and Labor) are not worthy to lick his boots and he has come out forcefully against the blatant xenophobic lies being spread by the media and being repeated by people like you.

Again with the buzz words and far left lines that are parroted over and over again. There is nothing xenophobic about what i'm saying you obviously aren't reading things im saying as you are so quick to whip out "OMG XENOPHOBIC" etc in a bid to sound intelligent.

It kind of sucks for the Australian economy and they already have a proper process oriented way of coming there if you are applying through skilled migration.

But that's why they come by boat. They want to bypass the whole process. Most of them arent skilled in anything so they can't come via skilled migration.

The government released figures showing that after 5 years of being granted asylum here, most refugees are still unemployed and are on benefits.