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Hate Speech in a Secular State

Oh its not just the owaisi jr his family strives on this kind of cheap talk.

However its the congress who is stuck now they can't openly support his prosecution for muslim vote bank and they can't stall either for popular reaction. Nice to watch how they will play this, i wish somebody could bring that lady for interview who brought that term Internet Hindu don't remember her name. Guess she would not be taking any calls on this. Arundhati Roy doesn't seem to speak up now, may be she isn't feeling well.

I dont have much idea of Andhra politics but by not prosecuting Owaisi the congress is playing a loosing game -

1) The muslim out is definitely out of their hands whether they prosecute or not. By prosecuting the guy as per law atleast they might get some Hindu and other community votes for taking a tough stance on him..by not prosecuting they are loosing votes from both sides.

2) Secondly by not supporting Telengana, they are going to lose votes in both Telengana and in rest of Andhra as anyway YSR CP is likely going to win in Rayalseema and some parts of Seemandhra with Congress having to fight with TDP, YSRCP in the remaining part.

They are remaining a headless chicken, hoping for the probblems to solve themselves..but this is just suicidal..I hoped Kiran Reddy will atleast take a strong stance against Owaisi after that guy had gone from place to place personally abusing the CM. Perhaps it seems like a order from Madam Maino to treat this issue with kid gloves.
 
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I dont have much idea of Andhra politics but by not prosecuting Owaisi the congress is playing a loosing game -

1) The muslim out is definitely out of their hands whether they prosecute or not. By prosecuting the guy as per law atleast they might get some Hindu and other community votes for taking a tough stance on him..by not prosecuting they are loosing votes from both sides.

2) Secondly by not supporting Telengana, they are going to lose votes in both Telengana and in rest of Andhra as anyway YSR CP is likely going to win in Rayalseema and some parts of Seemandhra with Congress having to fight with TDP, YSRCP in the remaining part.

They are remaining a headless chicken, hoping for the probblems to solve themselves..but this is just suicidal..I hoped Kiran Reddy will atleast take a strong stance against Owaisi after that guy had gone from place to place personally abusing the CM. Perhaps it seems like a order from Madam Maino to treat this issue with kid gloves.

Oh the YSRCP is becoming stronger and stronger by the day and the Congress seems to become more and more introvert day by day. It is suiscidal no doubt. The YSRCP in its traditional area holds the cast card and family card and in the rest using the dead father's name because of the development work done by him. In addition recently the new trend is YSR's wife and son in law and daughter (all adopted along with YSR christianity) are going to churches and other gathering's and making them promise to vote for them. They are using a multi pronged approach.
 
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Dont know the credibility of the pictures..but its from Akbar Owaisi facebook page and this guy seems to be partying there, not undergoing treatment

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jai ho..people who compare this guy with Varun Gandhi must see the difference in treatment..
 
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Some positions simply cannot be defended. This is one such case. Many "Hindu" leaders have abused "Muslims" but almost never has it been (as far as I know) about the religious figures involved. This was a case where both types of attacks were done and in a particularly nasty manner not likely to endear the "Muslim" community to adherents of the majority faith. It was both stupid & dangerous, not for Owaisi himself who might still get his political mileage but for the average Muslim on the street.

This is a extraordinary piece of double standards among some Muslims who go ballistic if their religion or figures within it are even slightly mocked but show no compunction while doing the same with those from another religion.

I believe that freedom of speech should exist where most remarks are tolerated but certainly not one where the freedom exists only in one direction.

First of all...I never supported him..What i said was he has done really very bad thing...He deserves maximum punishment without any doubt. I swear that i hate this man sooo much. Because of this mans idiotic speech like you said so many other muslims get into trouble. I really dont bother even if some one killed him.

What i am trying to say is people here generalizing the incidents...Such kind of evil people can exist in every community.
 
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What i am trying to say is people here generalizing the incidents...Such kind of evil people can exist in every community.

That's the problem and reality of the life, people do generalize things. When people go berserk in India for something happening in Myanmar, for a cartoon in Denmark, for a movie in America then there are going to be reaction when someone from minority in India is abusing majority, their religion, their gods. I am not denying that majority don't do that and that has happened quite often but nobody has gone insane to the level of this guy and his brother.. Unfortunately, this vote bank game will have its implications only for the common people..
 
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Even the cow slaughter should be banned. India is one of the largest supplier of beef. India should ban export of beef, live stock cattle and Gau seva ghars should be established.
 
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So you agree that not one Hindu leader has called your prophet or Allah any names. Good. Did you hear this guys speech and what he talked about Lord Ram, Lakshmi and Kaushalya ? Chopping hands - that of those who raise hands against Hindus with evil intentions. Does not have 1/100th of the venom in this speech. And even in that case he was arrested that evening under NSA and everyone went ballistic on him. So try something better. Anyway do you think we dont hear what transpires in each and every friday sermon in many mosques across India..please dont try to insult anyone's intelligence and please dont try to defend this chutiya's speech with all kind of riders. It only makes you look like you agree with those views but just condemning him publicly out of compulsion.




Dont you dare put the blame on "people like me". We did not drill down the concepts of Ummah, kaffirs,jehad, Pakistan etc into their heads.


p.s.: You did not make any sense about "tamil" Tamil" something you said and I am also not going to entertain you trying to take the topic offtopic.

So what did Owaisi said?? He said that hindus of various other regions in India claim that Lord Ram was born at their place. He was questioning as to how come Lord Ram's mother be in all the places at the same time. So how did that mount to insult. I don't see a post on PDF if some Togadia or Mutalik makes an equal rabble rousing. So why this brouhaha over this, So why is the main stream media, social networking, administration etc all working overtime which is not always the case had it happened the other way round which is more frequent. And we also know what goes behind the closed doors of Shakhas and mandirs. Just a sample below


How RSS teaching about Muslims Please Share - YouTube




Are these below less venomous??

indian Muslim Women Abused By Hindu Extremist 1:17 - YouTube


Hindu Extremist Warn's They Will Kill 10 Muslim In india If 1 Hindu Is Killed - YouTube

I hope to see you equally critical when some "Chutiya" Hindu leader makes similar statements instead of being selective...
 
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AIMIM has been in existence for almost 5 decades yet they never worked for the actual education and development of muslims instead kept on harping on communal issues keeping those muslims in perennial conflict with hindus...
 
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So what did Owaisi said??

No dear he did not say that alone. I was refraining from posting all that he said because another guy was complaining about washing dirty laundry in public. But your shameless defence of Owaisi is forcing me to post his various utterances.

Here goes the list of various speeches given by your "youth icon" Owaisi.

A short list of hate speeches by Akbaruddin Owaisi.. link

Speech 1: At Nizamabad, December 12, 2012:

“Woh jo baithi hain na” (gestures)
“Yeh Bhagya Lakshmi kaun sa naya naam? Aaj tak nahin suni”
“Aise naare lagao ki wo Bhagya bhi hil jai, wo Lakshmi bhi gir jaye”

Then makes everyone shout “Naare-e-takbeer Allahu Akbar”.


Clearly, this speech makes derogatory remarks with hand gestures about Goddess Bhagya Lakshmi, whom Hindus have been worshiping for centuries across the nation, if not for millenia.

Akbar Owaisi-Part 3 @Nizamabad in Dec12.mpg - YouTube (Between 2nd and 3rd minutes)

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Speech 2: At Kurnool, Unknown Date:

“Are waha pe, do sau chauriyanno hain.. are yaad rakho musalmaano, musalmaano ke beech mein, musalmano ke mohalle mein baat karna aasan hain.. lekin Kufrastan mein, wo do sau chauriyanno kaafiron ke beech mein baat karna.. wo bada himmat ka kaam hota hain, bahut jigar ka kaam hota hain.”

He was referring to MLAs in Andhra Pradesh Assembly using a derogatory ‘kafir’ term and area as ‘Kufrastan’ in an even more derogatory manner.

And here he refers to his Assembly speech after news of former PM PV Narasimha Rao’s death.

“Narasimha Rao, Andhra ka pehla wazeer e azam tha.. Telugu bidda, telugu tidda, kya kya bhi bol rahe the.”

Telugu people fondly refer to PVN as ‘Telugu bidda’ (son of Telugu land). Insulting remarks like ‘Telugu bidda, tidda’ were greeted by the crowd with cheers.

Then he used terms like katil, darinda, beimaan, dhokebaaz, chor etc. for an ex Prime Minister who had just passed away. No one uses words like thief, murderer, cheat etc. even for the head of an enemy state. This was happening when the funeral had just happened and the Assembly was offering condolences. Such was the respect for the only PM of India from the State where the Owaisis were born.

The worst was yet to come: “Accha hua ye mar gaya. Agar zinda hota to hazrat tho hum apne haaton se usko maar daalte” . Essentially, what Akbar Owaisi said was that if the former PM had not died, he would have murdered him with his own hands! And this was a statement in the Assembly of Andhra Pradesh!

Akbar Uddin Owaisi Jalsa At Kurnool (4TvNews) - YouTube (Between 1:10 and 1:17 minutes)

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Speech 3: Nizamabad, 8 December 2012:

“Hamere to sirf do eida hain. Inke to har das din ko ek eid hain”

Here he made fun of Hindu festivals by saying they have so many and ‘we’ have only 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4yxe05WRhw (At the start)

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Speech 4: Hyderabad, November 2012:

He keeps talking about “gair kanooni mandir”

The reality is that it is an Endowments Department-recognised temple for decades. Governments don’t put illegal temples on their list to take donations to temple as tax money.

Newswala : Akbaruddin Owaisi's speech on Bhagyalaxmi temple issue at Darus Salam Hyderabad - YouTube ()

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Speech 5: Hyderabad, November 2012:

“Yeh khaki wardi ke police wale, ye naamardon ki fauj leke, humko darana chahte hain naa,
hum aaj bhi challenge karo na.. hum Kiran Kumar Reddy se kahenge.. Police ko hatalo, phir dekhenge kisme kitni himmat hain….”


He is referring, in a very derogatory way, to the police force of Andhra Pradesh as an ‘army of impotent people’. Then he incites his audience, asking the CM to remove police and see who has more ‘courage’.

“Unme himmat nahin hain.. Musalmaano se muqable karne ki.”

Again he says, ‘they’ do not have ‘courage’ to fight Muslims. Whether he is referring to Hindus or the police force is not clear.

Indian Muslim leader akbaruddin owaisi speech against Hindus and India - YouTube (First 3 minutes )

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Speech 6: Karimnagar, August 2012:

“Paisath baras ki is Hindustan ki azadi ki taariq mein, pachas hazaar se zaida fisadat is mulk mein hue.. sabse zaida agar kisi ki gale kate, to woh Musalmaan ka tha…”

Talking about 50,000 riots in India over the 65 years since the country became independent, he says the majority of throats cut belonged to Muslims. The tone and delivery of his speech, whether factual or not, is to create a sense of victimhood by taking one-sided numbers.

AKBARUDDIN OWAISI SPEECH IN KARIMNAGAR PART 1 - YouTube (Between 14 and 17th minutes)

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Speech 7: April 2012:

“Ab mera sawal ye hai, ki aakhir Ram ki maa kahan kahan gayi thi, aur kahan jani Ram ko?”

Owaisi asks, “My question now is: Where all did Ram’s mother go wandering and where did she give birth to him? (high-pitched, derogatory, and received with loud cheers demeaning Lord Sri Rama’s mother and Rama’s birth)

Hyderabad Muslim MLA Akbar Uddin Owaisi abusing Lord Rama and this is called secularism - YouTube (After 2nd minute )

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Speech 8: November 2012:

Owaisi keeps referring to“Tareeq of sar zameen e Dakkan” or history of Deccan, but limits it only to 400 years. Similar to how Pakistanis limit their history to only after the Arab invasion of India. Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Maharashtra have thousands of years of glorious history in Deccan, which is not touched upon.

“After police action… Hamare jaagere lut chuki thi… laakhon ke taidat mein hamare gale kaate gaye the”

He talks about the post-independence period when ‘lakhs’ of Muslims were killed. No one knows how factual his one-sided ‘history’ is, but the intention to create a sense of victimhood is only too evident.

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Speech 9: This was in 1996, way before 2002, and still similar language:

“Majboor ho jata hain Musalman, inteqaam ke aag mein jalta hua, inteqaam aur badla lene kiye.. kisne kiya? Tumne itna loota humko..”

As you can see, even before the riots that happened in Gujarat in 2002, he used language suggesting that a Muslim is ‘forced’ to take ‘revenge’ using events from the 1990s. The trend is always to create victimhood, no matter which decade it is.

akbaruddin owaisi bhainsa in 1996 - YouTube.FLV - YouTube (First 3 minutes)

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Speech 10: In the Andhra Pradesh Assembly, December 2012:

“Hum police se na ghabarate hain, na hukumat se.”

We fear neither the police nor the Government. This is coming from an elected representative, right in the Assembly!

“Hamara jiddu jehat us waqt tak jaari rahegi, jab tak babri masjid nahi banegi, aur jab tak us gair kanooni Char Minar pe jo dhappa hain usko nahin hata denge”

He talks in a derogatory way about the Bhagya Lakshmi temple in Hyderabad and vows to remove it.

Akbaruddin Owaisi vs CM Kiran in Assembly - Sakshi TV - YouTube (After 16th minute)

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Speech 11: Nirmal, 24 December 2012:

“Har action ka reaction hain” (After 2nd minute)

Talks of action and reaction, softly justifying Mumbai terror attacks.

“Kya naam us bachhe ka” (referring to Pakistani terrorist Kasab as a ‘kid’) – Then he asks for an elected CM Modi to be hanged like terrorist Kasab!

“Ayodhya ki wo tuti phuti Ram mandir bachegi”
“Ajanta Ellora ke nangi nangi murtiya bachegi”


Talking derogatorily about non-Muslim heritage of India like Ayodhya, Ajanta and Ellora.

“Tum marte ho to jal ke fiza ho kar awara ke tarah chale jaate ho”

Making a mockery of Hindu cremation and implying that Muslim burial is a better way.

“Are Hindustan hum pacches hain na. tum sau karod hai naa.. theek hain.. tum to hamare se itne zyada hain. Pandrah minute ke liye police to hataado, bata denge kis mein himmat kitna hain (?)” (After the 13th minute)

Direct incitement to violence or ‘show of strength’ by Muslims. “Hey India, you are 100 crore and we (Muslims) are 25 crore. Just remove police for 15 minutes and we will show our ‘courage’.

“Ek hazaar kya.. ek laakh kya.. ek karod naamard bhi milkar koshish karle to bhi, ek to paida nahin kar sakte. Aur ye log humse muqabla nahin ka sakte. Ye naamardon ki fauj aa jaati hain.”

Again a very insulting tone about non-Muslims of India. Calling them impotent people who can’t ‘fight’ Muslims. Maybe referring to Police again as the ‘army of impotent’ like an earlier speech.


He said that hindus of various other regions in India claim that Lord Ram was born at their place. He was questioning as to how come Lord Ram's mother be in all the places at the same time. So how did that mount to insult.

I dont know if you know Hindi or not..but with my limited knowledge I know what "kahan kahan gayi thi" addressed towards a woman means, your shameful defence notwithstanding.



I don't see a post on PDF if some Togadia or Mutalik makes an equal rabble rousing.

Togadiya or Muthalik never addressed your Prophet using any of the colorful terms that could very well be apt for him or addressed your Allah in any derogatory manner. Neither Togadiya or Muthalik has ever called upon the 100 crore Hindus to finish off the 25 crore Muslims. And lets not even forget Todagiya or Muthalik were not MLAs or Floor Leaders in any state assembly. So stop this defence of Owaisi. You are coming across as one of those brainwashed who were giving out narah-e-takbirs when Owaisi was exhorting people to finish off the Hindus,

So why this brouhaha over this, So why is the main stream media, social networking, administration etc all working overtime which is not always the case had it happened the other way round which is more frequent. And we also know what goes behind the closed doors of Shakhas and mandirs.

You think people dont know what venom gets spilled during the friday sermons in various mosques across India. And look the video - "kill one hindu, then we will retaliate". Hardly the same as the Owaisi bile.

Its not just Razakars who suffered..........

From the Sundarlal Report

That I know...it took a while for the Hindus to get organized. The aftermath, the conservative estimate of Razakar toll is about 2 lakh. Perhaps the Razakar v 2.0 needs another police action.

Even the cow slaughter should be banned. India is one of the largest supplier of beef. India should ban export of beef, live stock cattle and Gau seva ghars should be established.

Bah....the beef India exports is buffalo beef. You think cow beef would be allowed in the first place ?
 
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