Has China catched up with Turkey in salaries?

[esolve]

Hımm, it's more like.

Renting is no problem, but buying is not that easy. We are saying the same thing with Targon.

according to your logic, renting is also no problem in China.
what I have been emphasizing is that buying is a problem.

 

[MarkusS]

Mate, i researched at the time for internet. I looked at many job offers. I remember crystal clear. The salary for the position they gave for that postion was 40000 TL.

Let's ask @MarkusS he is both Italian and German

What exactly do you want to know?

 

[-SINAN-]

What exactly do you want to know?

The thing is a few months ago i looked up to job offers in Spain and saw a job in a car factory, position was for a engineer.

Sallary was around 13000-14000 € per month.

but @esolve said a regular salary is around 1500€ per month for a engineer who works in FIAT.

So, we wanted to ask you about the issue as you should have knowledge about the wages in both Germany and Italy.

 

[xenon54 out]

Turkey is relatively large country and they don't have a problem with space as compared to more overpopulated countries like say China, India. Imagine, Turkey is over 783,000 square kilometers; the population is 76 million.

The population density is avarage compared to middle Europe, South and East Asia.

 

[MarkusS]

The thing is a few months ago i looked up to job offers in Spain and saw a job in a car factory, position was for a engineer.

Sallary was around 13000-14000 € per month.

but @esolve said a regular salary is around 1500€ per month for a engineer who works in FIAT.

So, we wanted to ask you about the issue as you should have knowledge about the wages in both Germany and Italy.

Wages in germany are similar to wages in italy. In italy a little bit lower. As an engineer in a renomated car corporation like VW, Daimler, BMW, Fiat and so on your salary would be between roughly13.000 € and 6500,- € per month, depending on the company.

As normal worker at Opel for example you have a income of minimum 2800 € per month.

I work for airbus and i´m at my trainee status. My monthly income is 3900,- €. Next year it does rise to 4500 and when i finish my trainee status would be around 12500 €

But let me give you a warning. Try to avoid "Zeitarbeit" or Time work as it is called. Many non european workers don´t know this. They think they get a contract with a big corporation like Airbus or VW but in reality get a contract with a sub corporation like Adecco. This means your contract is with Adecco but you work for VW. You do exactly the same work as all others...but for half the money and basicly without any rights. Check your contract before you sign it. Time work is in my eyes like modern slavery.

But thats just a personal tip.

 

[esolve]

Wages in germany are similar to wages in italy. In italy a little bit lower. As an engineer in a renomated car corporation like VW, Daimler, BMW, Fiat and so on your salary would be between roughly13.000 € and 6500,- € per month, depending on the company.

As normal worker at Opel for example you have a income of minimum 2800 € per month.

I work for airbus and i´m at my trainee status. My monthly income is 3900,- €. Next year it does rise to 4500 and when i finish my trainee status would be around 12500 €

But let me give you a warning. Try to avoid "Zeitarbeit" or Time work as it is called. Many non european workers don´t know this. They think they get a contract with a big corporation like Airbus or VW but in reality get a contract with a sub corporation like Adecco. This means your contract is with Adecco but you work for VW. You do exactly the same work as all others...but for half the money and basicly without any rights. Check your contract before you sign it. Time work is in my eyes like modern slavery.
But thats just a personal tip.

stop telling lies here, dude!!!!!
the salaries you mentioned is not possible for regular workers, even managers.
I'm in Europe and I fully know the situation, you can't fool the ppl in this forum like this.

 

[-SINAN-]

Wages in germany are similar to wages in italy. In italy a little bit lower. As an engineer in a renomated car corporation like VW, Daimler, BMW, Fiat and so on your salary would be between roughly13.000 € and 6500,- € per month, depending on the company.

As normal worker at Opel for example you have a income of minimum 2800 € per month.

I work for airbus and i´m at my trainee status. My monthly income is 3900,- €. Next year it does rise to 4500 and when i finish my trainee status would be around 12500 €

But let me give you a warning. Try to avoid "Zeitarbeit" or Time work as it is called. Many non european workers don´t know this. They think they get a contract with a big corporation like Airbus or VW but in reality get a contract with a sub corporation like Adecco. This means your contract is with Adecco but you work for VW. You do exactly the same work as all others...but for half the money and basicly without any rights. Check your contract before you sign it. Time work is in my eyes like modern slavery.

But thats just a personal tip.

Thx,mate for the detailed explanation.

 

[MarkusS]

stop telling lies here, dude!!!!!
the salaries you mentioned is not possible for regular workers, even managers.
I'm in Europe and I fully know the situation, you can't fool the ppl in this forum like this.

bitch please, maybe look for a job above cleaining toilets.

For anyone else, here is a income chart in the car sector:

Gehaltsreport: Einkommensvergleich in der Automobilbranche - SPIEGEL ONLINE

 

[esolve]

bitch please, maybe look for a job above cleaining toilets.

For anyone else, here is a income chart in the car sector:

Gehaltsreport: Einkommensvergleich in der Automobilbranche - SPIEGEL ONLINE

tell us the net salary, not the gross salary pls！
besides, I can tell you, my last employer, Amadeus, a top-10 software companies located in France, the gross salary is around 40K/year. And the growth rate is very small.

Software jobs are also high-paid jobs in Europe.

 

[Aepsilons]

Wages in germany are similar to wages in italy. In italy a little bit lower. As an engineer in a renomated car corporation like VW, Daimler, BMW, Fiat and so on your salary would be between roughly13.000 € and 6500,- € per month, depending on the company.

As normal worker at Opel for example you have a income of minimum 2800 € per month.

I work for airbus and i´m at my trainee status. My monthly income is 3900,- €. Next year it does rise to 4500 and when i finish my trainee status would be around 12500 €

But let me give you a warning. Try to avoid "Zeitarbeit" or Time work as it is called. Many non european workers don´t know this. They think they get a contract with a big corporation like Airbus or VW but in reality get a contract with a sub corporation like Adecco. This means your contract is with Adecco but you work for VW. You do exactly the same work as all others...but for half the money and basicly without any rights. Check your contract before you sign it. Time work is in my eyes like modern slavery.

But thats just a personal tip.

Looks good. How's the cost of living like in Germany?

 

[esolve]

Looks good. How's the cost of living like in Germany?

ask him to tell you the net salary before saying "looks good"
but in price, Germany is the cheapest in west Europe, much cheaper than Japan

 

[MarkusS]

Looks good. How's the cost of living like in Germany?

it depends on the social status you have. You can have it cheap...or expensive, depending what you want. I eat no industrial food for example, so you pay more for better quality. rents for a apartment also can be quite high depending on the area you live in.

 

[Wave]

stop telling lies here, dude!!!!!
the salaries you mentioned is not possible for regular workers, even managers.
I'm in Europe and I fully know the situation, you can't fool the ppl in this forum like this.

The wages he gave are without taxes, a worker who earns 2800euro and is not married will get about 1600 or 1700 in the end of the month.

 

[Aepsilons]

it depends on the social status you have. You can have it cheap...or expensive, depending what you want. I eat no industrial food for example, so you pay more for better quality. rents for a apartment also can be quite high depending on the area you live in.

I'm thinking of possibly looking at career opportunities in EU , after i finish my Ph.D here. I hear that there are a lot of good opportunities for skilled professionals there in Germany. Been looking at Belgium and Holland, too.

But i hear you on the food aspect, bro. Quality over quantity. Btw, i've never ever lived in Europe, but the thought of working and living there for some time has ever crossed my mind.

The wages he gave are without taxes, a worker who earns 2800euro and is not married will get about 1600 or 1700 in the end of the month.

I think 2800 euro a month is decent; especially if one is single.

ask him to tell you the net salary before saying "looks good"
but in price, Germany is the cheapest in west Europe, much cheaper than Japan

After living in 'states now for a while, I like : 1) ease of job, 2) the pay, 3) work culture.

They definitely pay me well here for what I do, and career opportunities are also high. I think the same exists in developed economies in EU; like in UK , Germany, Holland and Belgium.

In Japan; there is rabid competition. Too much competition, lol...!

 

[esolve]

I'm thinking of possibly looking at career opportunities in EU , after i finish my Ph.D here. I hear that there are a lot of good opportunities for skilled professionals there in Germany. Been looking at Belgium and Holland, too.

But i hear you on the food aspect, bro. Quality over quantity. Btw, i've never ever lived in Europe, but the thought of working and living there for some time has ever crossed my mind.
I think 2800 euro a month is decent; especially if one is single.



After living in 'states now for a while, I like : 1) ease of job, 2) the pay, 3) work culture.

They definitely pay me well here for what I do, and career opportunities are also high. I think the same exists in developed economies in EU; like in UK , Germany, Holland and Belgium.

but after tax, 2800 euros leave you only 1600, dude,
actually, it is not easy to get high net salaries in Europe. The tax in Germany is very high.

I'm thinking of possibly looking at career opportunities in EU , after i finish my Ph.D here. I hear that there are a lot of good opportunities for skilled professionals there in Germany. Been looking at Belgium and Holland, too.

But i hear you on the food aspect, bro. Quality over quantity. Btw, i've never ever lived in Europe, but the thought of working and living there for some time has ever crossed my mind.



I think 2800 euro a month is decent; especially if one is single.



After living in 'states now for a while, I like : 1) ease of job, 2) the pay, 3) work culture.

They definitely pay me well here for what I do, and career opportunities are also high. I think the same exists in developed economies in EU; like in UK , Germany, Holland and Belgium.

In Japan; there is rabid competition. Too much competition, lol...!

for professionals, usually you can get higher salaries in the US than Europe.