I m very much confused about this deal.the contradiction between two statments .one from rana tanvir that the submarine construction will start simultaneously in both countries.
2nd of Head of Submarine construction while briefing to parlimentary committe.that first 4 sub from china will be delivered till 2022 .23 and the next lot of four will be constructed at ksew and will be delivered till 2028.
Here the intresting is point that deal was signed in 2015.
Now china who is manufacturer will build first lot of four submarines in 8 years.
And Pakistan who will get technology under ToT will built 2nd lot of 4 submarines in 4 years..
How is this possible for Pakistan (having one shipyard) to built four subs in 4 years while china having much more dhipyards and expertise will take 8 years to built four subs..
To me the statement of Parlimentaty body is false
Well, politicians are politicians and sometimes cannot be taken as that much serious about these of kind of key points w.r.t defence procurement so to sum it as per my understanding it is as follows.
Contract signed and construction started for the 1st batch of 4 subs built in China and the construction is from the scratch type as per our need so may take that long. Adding to that, in the meantime, Pakistani staff (concerned technical staff of Pakistan) would be trained simultaneously during built-in China phase.
On other side we will be preparing for necessary space/facility at KSEW to handle/manufacturer such type/sized subs which also may need some time. Also, we have Ormara Sub Rebuild Facility to be activated as estimated 2 to 3 years(speculated).
Building of Subs in Pakistan wouldn't take much time that we will be assembling the most of it by our already trained by China staff. So you will have a idea that building from the start and assembling are different tasks that we will be playing with ready stuff.
China has own projects as well and it is not necessary that having such number of docks be engaged by single project so different things are done on parallel lines.
The word simultaneously would be most probably about 4 in China and 4 in KSEW but cannot be started on the same time as you also noted that built-in China takes 7 years almost then assembled in Pakistan takes 4 years so if it was simultaneously then we would be having all of them 2023-24. KSEW is currently busy with upgradation work of 90B Sub with the help of STM Turkey ad well. One can also assume that may be, after 2020, new Sub assembling in Pakistan would be started simultaneously with China so fairly 8 years for both countries as 2023 for China and 2028 for Pakistan.
I took it as a typo or misinterpreted though I could be mistaken in my assessment as well so any correction(s) would be appreciated. Just my guess work.
Sorry but i disagree.
If u revisit the past 2nd agosta 90b submarine it also 3 years to assemble it in Pakistan and the third one took 4 years.
Now here what i know about KSEW it have 3 dry docks and two floating docks. One is possesed by Azmat FAC . 2nd by Survey vessel and third by 32 ton tug boat. With pipeline project of Milgem.
The two floating docks plus the new ship lift system which will be operational by 2018 will be used for ship repairs.
PN dockyard has one dock which is already possesed by Agosta,s .
Now there is also remours of indegenous nuclear sub which to me is nothing more than remours.
U reffered to submarine rebuild facility at ormara which is just for maintainance not for building.
So as per view point if Pakistan have to get 8 sumarines till 2028 they must start one sub constructing in 2017 because with a speedy construction atleast 2 years per sub is required.
If u get timeline of chinese or any other country submarine construction it takes average time of 36 months.