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What is Indias counterpart to hell fire missile that would be used on LCH? If i am not wrong NAG is your anti tank missile, will NAG equip LCH for anti tank role?

Yes, We have the helicopter launch version specially designed for LCH called HELINA (HELICOPTER NAG)

 

[fsoul]

can anyone tell me the exact cost of this beast?

$10 million a piece.

 

[sancho]

Yes, We have the helicopter launch version specially designed for LCH called HELINA (HELICOPTER NAG)

Hellfire is on offer for us too, but I hope we won't go for them, because they don't offer real advantages over HELINA (Hellfires range is 8Km, Helinia 7Km). More interesting as an alternative would be Israels Spike NLOS with a range of 25Km, but it's heavier, so can be used only in lower numbers.

 

[tomluter]

Good job, it seems Indian have exceed Chinese in this field.
Though there are some help from the Turbomeca, but it is still a advantage of India in international ralationship.

 

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]Good job, it seems Indian have exceed Chinese in this field.[/B]
Though there are some help from the Turbomeca, but it is still a advantage of India in international ralationship.

well sir, LCH more or less stands shoulder to shoulder to WZ-10

LCH specifications​

Crew: 2
Length: 15.8 m (51ft 8in)
Rotor diameter: 13.3 m (43 ft 6 in)
Height: 4.7 m (15 ft 4 in)
Disc area: 138.9 m² (1472 ft&#178
Empty weight: 2550 kg (5621 lb)
Loaded weight: 4000 kg (8818 lb)
Useful load: 2950 kg (6503 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 5,500 kg (12125 lb)
Powerplant: 2× HAL/Turbomeca Shakti turboshafts, 900 kW (1200 hp) each
Never exceed speed: 330 km/h (178 knots, 207 mph)
Maximum speed: 275 km/h (148 knots, 171 mph)
Cruise speed: 260 km/h (140 knots, 161 mph)
Range: 700km (297 nm, 342 mi)
Service ceiling: 6400 m (21,300 ft)
Rate of climb: 12 m/s (2362 ft/min)
Disc loading: kg/m² (lb/ft&#178
Power/mass: W/kg (hp/lb)
Armament
Guns: M621 20 mm cannon on Nexter THL-20 turret
Rockets: Unguided rockets
Missiles: MBDA air-to-air missiles
Air-to-surface missiles
Anti-radiation missiles
Helina ATGM(8)
Bombs: Iron bombs
cluster bomb units
grenade launcher

CAIC WZ-10 specifications​

Crew: 2
Length: 14.15 m (ft)
Rotor diameter: 13.0 m [4] (ft)
Height: 3.85 m (ft)
Disc area: m² (ft&#178
Empty weight: 5540 kg [4] (lb)
Loaded weight: kg (lb)
Useful load: 1500 kg [4] (lb)
Max takeoff weight: 7000 kg (lb)
Powerplant: 2× WZ-9 turboshafts [4], 957 kw (1285 hp) each
Maximum speed: 300+ km/h [4]
Cruise speed: 270+ km/h [4]
Ferry range: 800+ km [4] ()
Service ceiling: 6400 m (ft)
Rate of climb: over 12+ m/s [4] (ft/min)
Disc loading: kg/m² (lb/ft&#178
Maximum acceleration: +3 g (29 m/s&#178
Guns: 23 mm or 30 mm autocannon mounted on chin turret with grenade launchers, or 14.5 mm Gatling gun
Hardpoints: 4
Rockets: 57 mm, 90 mm multi-barrel unguided rocket pods
Air-to-surface missiles: Up to 8 ATGM
Air-to-air missiles:
Up to 8 TY-90
Up to 4 PL-5, PL-7, PL-9


ONCE THE LCH IS READY FULLY, IT SHOULD BE BETTER... WELL GOOD TO KNOW THAT HAL AND DRDO HAVE ACHIEVED IT

 

[Kinetic]

Hellfire is on offer for us too, but I hope we won't go for them, because they don't offer real advantages over HELINA (Hellfires range is 8Km, Helinia 7Km). More interesting as an alternative would be Israels Spike NLOS with a range of 25Km, but it's heavier, so can be used only in lower numbers.

Indian Army already shown interest in Spike NLOS rejecting Javelin. Is there any heli-borne version of Spike NLOS?

 

[lhuang]

Good job, it seems Indian have exceed Chinese in this field.
Though there are some help from the Turbomeca, but it is still a advantage of India in international ralationship.

Erm, doubt it.

 

[marcos98]

Broadsword: India’s Light Combat Helicopter makes first flight

India’s Light Combat Helicopter makes first flight

As the helicopter taxied slowly along the airstrip, a little knot of designers and executives from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) watched silently, the sweat beads on their foreheads from more than just the Bangalore heat. The 29th of March, had been selected for a landmark attempt: the first flight of the indigenous Light Combat Helicopter (LCH). Already a year late, and facing criticism for having gone several hundred kilograms overweight, the LCH had much to prove.

Attack helicopters involve the most complex aeronautical, stealth, sensor and weapons technologies. HAL’s state-of-the-art LCH aims to gatecrash an exclusive club of light attack helicopters that includes Eurocopter’s Tiger and China’s ultra-secret Zhisheng-10 (Z-10). In high-altitude performance, the LCH will be in a class by itself: taking off from Himalayan altitudes of 10,000 feet, operating rockets and guns up to 16,300 feet, and launching missiles at UAVs flying at over 21,000 feet.

At 3.30 p.m. the twin Shakti engines roared to a crescendo and the LCH pilots, Group Captains Unni Pillai and Hari Nair, lifted off the ground. The futuristic helicopter, all angles and armoured sheets, flew for a distance just a few feet above the runway; then cheering and clapping broke out as it climbed to 50 feet. Over the next 15 minutes, Pillai and Nair put the LCH through its first flight test, doing a clockwise and then an anti-clockwise turn, hovering motionless and circling the airport four times.

“It is a big day for all of us, especially those involved in the LCH’s design and fabrication”, Ashok Nayak, Chairman and Managing Director of HAL told Business Standard. “We were going to have the first LCH flight in December but, for one reason or another, it kept getting delayed.”

A feared predator in the modern battlefield, the attack helicopter is a key weapon system against enemy tanks. Once an enemy tank column is detected, attack helicopters speed to confront them, flying just 20-30 feet high to avoid radar detection with enemy rifle and machine-gun bullets ricocheting off their armoured sides. Hiding behind trees or a ridgeline, they pop up when the tanks are about 4 kilometers away to fire missiles that smash through a tank’s armour.

Excess weight has been the main reason for the delay in the LCH programme. The heavy armour needed for protection against enemy fire conflicts with the need for a light, highly mobile helicopter that can twist and dodge and hover stationary to allow pilots to aim and fire their missiles. The LCH was supposed to weight just 2.5 tonnes when empty; but the design team found that it actually weighed 580 kg more than that.

At lower altitudes, this would not be a significant drawback. But, at the LCH’s flight ceiling of 6000 metres (almost 20,000 feet), this would significantly reduce the LCH’s payload of weapons and ammunition.

Last September, the chief of HAL’s Helicopter Complex, R Srinivasan, told Business Standard that the LCH’s weight would be progressively reduced over the first three Technology Demonstrators (TDs) of the LCH. “We will find ways of cutting down TD-1 by 180-200 kg; TD-2, will be another 100 kg lighter; and TD-3 will shave off another 65-75 kg. That would leave the LCH about 200 kg heavier than originally planned, but the IAF has accepted that.”

HAL chief, Ashok Nayak, today confirmed to Business Standard that this schedule was on track. “The weight reduction that we had targeted for TD-1, which flew on Monday, has been met. The second prototype, TD-2, which will make its first flight by September, will be lighter still.”

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has said that it needs 65 LCHs; the army wants another 114. If the development programme is not delayed further the LCH will enter service by 2015-2016. To meet its needs till then, the MoD floated a global tender for 22 attack helicopters. With only three companies responding, that tender was cancelled last year.

But HAL remains confident since most of the key technologies in the LCH --- e.g. the Shakti engine, the rotors and the main gearbox --- have already been proven in the Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH), 159 of which are being built for the army and the air force.

Simultaneously, the LCH’s weapons and sensors are being tested on a weaponised version of the Dhruv. These include a Nexter 20 mm turret-mounted cannon, an MBDA air-to-air missile, and an EW suite from SAAB, South Africa. India’s Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) is developing an anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) for the LCH. Based on the already developed Nag ATGM, the HELINA (or HELIicopter-mounted NAg) missile can destroy tanks from a distance of seven kilometres.

 

[KEETARP]

well as far as comparison or draging pak , these machine will have to face CHINA and PAKISITAN its its destiny which you cant ignore so comparison is for sure help you understand where your machine stand.
as far as manuverability is concerned ,does it help to evade a locked missile.
so going by your comments like" its lighter hence more manuverable" is just a **** when same guys call your su30mki more manuverable even its huge.
dear sir's it stand no chance in front of heavy weight contenders like apachi,hind etc.

You are simply not aware of reason behind designing LCH and its maneuverability

First and foremost important thing is - It should operate from LEH airfield which is at height of more than 10000 (highest airfield in world). No other attack chopper is capable of doing it , only light non-combat ALH-DHRUV have done that ,
Bcoz of thin air and lower density of air Fighter jets have problem operating in combat load , this is where a direct takeoff from a chopper comes in handy.
Another issue here is Supersonic jets that india operates are too dangerous to be successful in following Terrain guidance bcoz their speed is too fast.
Thats where a subsonic maneuverable chopper comes in handy.

Whether it will be able to avoid LOCK ON depends on
ECM given to it ,
Type of A2A missile fired by Enemy and
Added maneuverability is just an advantage.
HAL would give a decent job to it since all EW suite components like RWR , MAWS are being finalized with the help from SWEDEN and FRANCE. No doubt it will be class apart.

Now you tell me which A2A missile and what generation missile is used by Pakistan + China for its attack helicoptors.
Whats the missile seeker+Range+added subsystem to jam enemy's EW suite and what abt the maneuverability of missile itself.

Then we can compare it to MBDA's A2A weapon on LCH.

good news for INDIA is IA has been given Green signal to go ahead purchasing Heavy combat Helos like APACHE LONGBOW/ KA 52 ALLIGATOR worth 2 SQ and more in future ,
conclusion LCH will complement this Force of unbeatable Choppers.

And finally unit price is just 10.5 mill, now compare its capabilities to others at this price and what it offers.
Here is the link

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[pop_alsa]

Are you sure unit price is 10$ million?

Above document says, one apache costs $40million+ for one piece and price of one LCH is 1.5$ million?

 

[Arik]

Are you sure unit price is 10$ million?

Above document says, one apache costs $40million+ for one piece and price of one LCH is 1.5$ million?

dhruv costs around $7million.lch is bound to have as higher price.

 

[sancho]

Indian Army already shown interest in Spike NLOS rejecting Javelin. Is there any heli-borne version of Spike NLOS?

...The new weapon can be fired from helicopters. Previous versions of the Spike have been integrated on the Eurocopter Puma and Tiger by Slovenia and Spain respectively. Fixed-wing aircraft are not being considered as firing platforms for any member of the Spike family, Rafael says....

Rafael unveils new long-range Spike missile

 

[Vinashi_JagjitSinghArora]

What I know from some sources in IAF is that the first squadron of LCA will be inducted this year!!

 

[Vinashi_JagjitSinghArora]

Congrats India and HAL!! Great Job!!

 

[liteon]

well sir, LCH more or less stands shoulder to..

ONCE THE LCH IS READY FULLY, IT SHOULD BE BETTER... WELL GOOD TO KNOW THAT HAL AND DRDO HAVE ACHIEVED IT

doubt it. wz-10 been flying for 10 years with more than 8 prototypes. lch have yet to fly over 50 m and without weapons load. there're still a lot more work to do..