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[shaktiman2010]

Its very interesting that same thing happened with home-made Arjun MBT project. When Arjun project came out successful, Army came out with similar excuse - "Sorry guys, we can't buy Arjun now. Our GSQR have changed. Now, we want a light tank. We don't want heavy category tanks anymore."

Same thing has happened with LCA now. Exactly when LCA is near IOC, IAF suddenly changes its tune and says, "Sorry guys, we can't buy this version of LCA. Our requirements have changed. We need 10% more powered engines otherwise LCA will loose war."

And, then Army issues Light tank tender to foreign companies and IAF got a reason to push for double MRCA orders in near future from foreign.

The question here is that, IAF knew very well that LCA is near IOC even 5 years ago then, why they came out with new requirements suddenly now? Was IAF sleeping since 5 years? Why they never told LCA designers before that they won't accept this design? Or, this was their deliberate plan to keep the DRDO designers out of loop and give them a surprise?

Its clear that IAF did this deliberately so that DRDO didn't get time to begin work on MK-II version 5 years before because IAF played this as a googly to delay their whole efforts.

Pattern is very clear behind how domestic projects are discouraged and paid shabbily while imports are given all priorities under the excuse of "wartime".

Everyone lives happily ever after and Indian public is fooled easily. DRDO cries as usual, the victim of bias from corrupt as$holes in Indian Armed services and import lobby in MoD.

American Armed forces uses war-excuses to push domestic defence R&D fundings. While Indian Armed forces uses war-excuses to push weapon imports. What a shame!

 

[sancho]

yess both are in development stages..bt the complex thing is to redesign the airframe for the engine and then testing and many things which are very complex

As I told you, there is no re-designing needed, because the engines under evaluation have the same diameter, or even less (WS13 is bigger than RD93). They will fit inside without a problem, all it might need are bigger air intakes.

and i dnt think so LCA MK2 development is started.
wher as jf-17 engine testing started,IRST integration,300KG composite material usage in the airframe and in future in great number.
the only thing is remaining AESA radar...will see china will come with AESA or frm the italy vixen 1000ES.

You are mixing JF 17 batch 2 and 3 up here!

The next 100 JF 17 will be the 2nd batch, but these will not have IRST, AESA radar and WS13 only if it is mature enough without the reported quality problems.
The 3rd batch of JF 17, which is far away of beeing developed,will get these techs and for sure that engine too, but for now that is nothing more than speculation only, just like the 100kN.

PAF will go for 50+100 4. gen JF 17 with multi mode radars, whereas IAF only wants 40 4.gen LCA alongside its upgraded Mirage 2000 and Mig 29s. The main focus is on LCA MK2 and those techs are already under evaluation!

 

[shaktiman2010]

IAF is only trying to delay LCA project. The fact is that, IAF hates buying home-made planes and they love imported aircrafts.

If IAF was serious about LCA then they would have told DRDO about MK-II requirements years ago and lot of years would been saved.

Now, expectedly MoD is taking years to decide on engines for MK-II version of LCA and this will surely help IAF to push for doubling MRCA orders. Because, unless MoD clears new engine contract, they won't arrive anytime soon and DRDO can't even begin work on building, testing MK-II version of LCA.

IAF has won once again in murdering domestic R&D by showing their careless nature towards domestic R&D.

(IAF+ imports lobby in MoD) = Delay of all efforts in DRDO for domestic aircraft R&D.

 

[sancho]

Are you kidding? LOL.

IAF did everything to badmouth and kill LCA project from time to time. MRCA tender came out only because IAF succeeded in delaying LCA fundings from time to time...

The funny thing is, that you think IN saved LCA and IAF is importing only. Then why in your opinion IN ordered 45 Mig 29K and send out an RFI for 40 more foreign carrier fighters, but ordered only 6 N-LCAs?

And you still have not answered to why IAF keeps pushing indigenous developed aircrafts, weapons and techs, instead of simply buying foreign counterparts like you believe?

IAF and IN are clearly the forces that wants and believes in indigenous arms, unlike IA, but as long as these can't offer comparable things, we still have to buy foreign arms to.
You can't compare our defense industry with the US, the European, or Russian, they are decades in front of us and not like you believe because of money only. They are at a different level that we try to catch up with and we are on a good way, but still will need quit some time to get their.

 

[shaktiman2010]

The funny thing is, that you think IN saved LCA and IAF is importing only. Then why in your opinion IN ordered 45 Mig 29K and send out an RFI for 40 more foreign carrier fighters, but ordered only 6 N-LCAs?

Exactly my point!

Why Indian Navy showed so much faith in LCA when they needed only a few on their Aircraft Carrier since you can't have 100 LCA on a aircraft carrier which we don't have currently.(Gorshkov will arrive in 2013).

While on other hand, IAF needed 100+ LCA. But, it was Navy who put their money in LCA project. It was surprising that IAF whose needs were bigger wasn't even interested in funding the project because they were too busy reading foreign weapon company pamphlets.

So, it was very praiseworthy that Navy showed serious support for just 8 NLCA and funded aircraft R&D with their own budget. Thanks to them for sensible decision.

While this was expected from morons in IAF, but they had no interest in funding and supporting LCA project. Rather they changed their GSQR just when LCA is near IOC and rejected their original plan of buying 100+ LCA.

And, now they are forcing DRDO to re-do whole design and make 110KN version because morons in IAF are ready to settle with faulty imported AJT Hawk but they don't want a successful indigenous LCA because they invented new reasons to reject LCA and rejected full induction of LCA just to embarrass DRDO.

IAF's only wish is that DRDO should not walk away with a win because that embarrasses IAF because it was IAF who has consistently called LCA a failure in public and it shown IAF down now that LCA is near IOC. So, to protect their own egos, IAF is doing everything(from changing GSQR, delaying engine selection) to show DRDO down.

What a shame for IAF! They have billions for crappy british Hawk AJT which crashed on first flight but no money for home-made 4th Generation aircraft R&D. Shame shame!!

And you still have not answered to why IAF keeps pushing indigenous developed aircrafts, weapons and techs, instead of simply buying foreign counterparts like you believe?

IAF and IN are clearly the forces that wants and believes in indigenous arms, unlike IA, but as long as these can't offer comparable things, we still have to buy foreign arms to.
You can't compare our defense industry with the US, the European, or Russian, they are decades in front of us and not like you believe because of money only. They are at a different level that we try to catch up with and we are on a good way, but still will need quit some time to get their.

Talks prove nothing. Actions show what you are.

IAF has proved by their actions, they are one amateur and foolish organisation who can't do anything better than whining on street about their own mess and making world laugh on them.

 

[shaktiman2010]

Its also interesting to note that, Indian Navy is also funding several Sonar projects with their own money.

Has IAF ever invested in any Radar R&D project domestically?

IAF is a hypocrite organisation which talks, but does nothing other than imports.

Also, IAF was stupid enough to conduct a public survery on - "Why youths are running away from joining IAF?"

LOL. If fools had brains, they would know the answer. Spoonism rules in IAF.

 

[Dark Angel]

There hasnt been a official MOD and IAF statement so why are everyone jumping their guns

 

[shaktiman2010]

There hasnt been a official MOD and IAF statement so why are everyone jumping their guns

Its official now. IAF has rejected current LCA design for mass induction(100+) which was their original requirement. Now, they are demanding DRDO to redesign whole thing and make a new LCA version(MK-II) with 110KN engine.

Also, MoD is delaying 100KN engine selection by years. Soon, IAF will push for dooubling of MRCA orders under the excuse of delay in LCA Mk-II.

Import lobby in MoD and IAF working hand in hand to screw mass induction(100+) of LCA into Indian airforce. 40 LCA have been ordered to save IAF's face in public.

 

[sudhir007]

way back in 2000 report from TOI

 

[Haanzo]

LCA is more deadly than Jaguars in service.

If only IAF had shown some confidence and funded LCA properly, things would have been faster and different today.
the only replacement for the jag is the heay contender from MRCA ,the gripen and f-16 wont cut it and lca wont even come close the payload characteristics of the jag and lca are completely different and the airframe is designed for a different purpose altogether
And, on top of that, IAF delayed MK-II GSQR by 4 years. Due to confused minded IAF top brass, now DRDO has to redesign a new version of LCA because original calculations of IAF for LCA went wrong and now they want a higher power version of it.
DRDO DOES NOT DESIGN AIRCRAFTS FOR GODS SAKE ...i know you are keen on this subject but a basic knowledge wont do any harm ...so start digging up websites and news articles
Anyways, this is not only example of IAF's blunder. They already committed a blunder by choosing faulty British Hawk AJT. The whole fleet is almost in grounded position and is of no use. Billions of dollar is wasted on a junk just because elite minded IAF hates pot belly DRDO scientists and they love shiney good looking imported products.
who said the whole fleet is grounded ...HAWK IS NOT JUNK ...its the best trainer aircraft out there ..... and stop associating DRDO with aircrafts
Its a shame really when your own people(IAF) don't support you.iaf is our own no doubt ....its like a kid with an impressive wish list but its mom (politicos) wont buy it anything ...instead it wants to spend on jewelery (vvip chopper deal ,cars etc.etc ......)

so it wont do any good for you if you post like this ...it will just increase your post count

 

[Vasily Zaytsev]

I don't understand one thing if any of the defence products is not inducted we either blame the armed forces or the DRDO/HAL.

See worldover, there have been many defence products produced by defence manufacturers those never saw the light of the day as a successfull product or were rejected by their respective defence forces.

Many leading defense companies have written off billions of dollars of development cost as sunk cost.

Whats about being so much hyper if we fail in some products or are rejected by armed forces.

 

[Haanzo]

I don't understand one thing if any of the defence products is not inducted we either blame the armed forces or the DRDO/HAL.

See worldover, there have been many defence products produced by defence manufacturers those never saw the light of the day as a successfull product or were rejected by their respective defence forces.

Many leading defense companies have written off billions of dollars of development cost as sunk cost.

Whats about being so much hyper if we fail in some products or are rejected by armed forces.

most of them here are young bloods ...they expect immediate results .....like fast food ,internet ,everything's available when you wish ..they have not seen their kids grow up ....the effort you put into your kids ....it takes time for them to realise what they are capable of then alone your hardwork bears fruit....these young people dont understand anything these days

 

[Cent4]

India's first operational-standard Tejas light combat aircraft has made its maiden flight from Bangalore, reaching a speed of Mach 1.1.
The Aeronautical Development Agency's (ADA) fourth limited series production aircraft made its debut on 2 June and reached an altitude of 36,000ft (11,000m).
India's Defence Research and Development Organisation says LSP-4 is the first Tejas to have been produced in the configuration that will be inducted into Indian air force service.
The air force has so far committed to buying 40 Mk 1 examples of the Tejas, which is being manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics. Initial operational clearance should be received by December 2010.
The ADA says its nine previous development examples of the Tejas had completed 1,375 test flights by 31 May.

 

[Dark Angel]

Its official now. IAF has rejected current LCA design for mass induction(100+) which was their original requirement. Now, they are demanding DRDO to redesign whole thing and make a new LCA version(MK-II) with 110KN engine.

Also, MoD is delaying 100KN engine selection by years. Soon, IAF will push for dooubling of MRCA orders under the excuse of delay in LCA Mk-II.

Import lobby in MoD and IAF working hand in hand to screw mass induction(100+) of LCA into Indian airforce. 40 LCA have been ordered to save IAF's face in public.

Can u provide a link

 

[gogbot]

Can u provide a link

He is just cynic.

He only looks at things and makes judgments.

He clings onto a negative and expands it till it encompasses the whole issue.

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IAF wanted more thrust for the LCA , they were merely expanding on the requirement. They also demanded AESA radar as a mimium

Their standards for the LCA are always high,

The reason they are buying 40 LCA mk 1's now is to show their stake and investment in the project.

IAF has also shown similar support to the LCH program.

MOD is delaying the selection of a new engine , because i believe there is internal politics being played out currently between the MoD and GTRE . No doubt the question of weather to develop the engine or import, is still being fought over.