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[karan.1970]

It's never going to happen by March 2011.

How about we bet on this??

 

[LCA Tejas]

seri da poodhum pearumai come back to the topic

enna pa? Seriya thaane sonnen? LCA tejas Is going to fly in tamil nadu first... yippie, I will witness it fly...

 

[BlackenTheSky]

Which Aircraft its gonna replace.?

 

[LCA Tejas]

Which Aircraft its gonna replace.?

will replace The Mig 21's aircrafts, however the bison series of Mig 21 will remain till 2020....

 

[Hyde]

@ LCA Tejas / Indian members

With all due respect mate i want to know something. Why India have so many indegineous projects like LCA, Pakfa, MCA and the list goes on. I want to know don't you think if India had concentrate on 1 or 2 projects only at a time they could have speed up the process of indeginization after concentrating on one or two projects only? and also would have opted for their best indiginazation program and buy more aircrafts in numbers to reduce costs too........ i mean just look at so many projects first and then you will buy 100s of aircrafts seperately..... why not concentrate only on 1-2 projects like Pakistan did on JF-17 and buy in large number instead.

I mean first look at the aircrafts you are using..... MIG21, MIG 27, MIG 29, SU30 MKI, Jaguars, Mirages and don't know if i am missing any..... then you guyz are going to have another MMRCA, PAKFA, LCA, MCA and the last goes on. Why you need so many platforms at a single time....... why not go for One PAKFA instead in large numbers and one other indegineous program to reduce the costs of both aircrafts and training etc............

Just my opinion with no bad intentions

 

[LCA Tejas]

@ LCA Tejas / Indian members

With all due respect mate i want to know something. Why India have so many indegineous projects like LCA, Pakfa, MCA and the list goes on. I want to know don't you think if India had concentrate on 1 or 2 projects only at a time they could have speed up the process of indeginization after concentrating on one or two projects only? and also would have opted for their best indiginazation program and buy more aircrafts in numbers to reduce costs too........ i mean just look at so many projects first and then you will buy 100s of aircrafts seperately..... why not concentrate only on 1-2 projects like Pakistan did on JF-17 and buy in large number instead.

I mean first look at the aircrafts you are using..... MIG21, MIG 27, MIG 29, SU30 MKI, Jaguars, Mirages and don't know if i am missing any..... then you guyz are going to have another MMRCA, PAKFA, LCA, MCA and the last goes on. Why you need so many platforms at a single time....... why not go for One PAKFA instead in large numbers and one other indegineous program to reduce the costs of both aircrafts and training etc............

Just my opinion with no bad intentions

Yes buddy, I can explain it to you..... Our govt promotes R&D in India than Importing to be frank with you... You not only take in any field, may it be renewable source of energy or Defense , India has R&D departments in the fields like any other country...

We are taking up a task of Submarine,Aircraft carriers, LCA,MCA,FGFA , at the same time, but these are Not clashing as these are taken Up buy various departments Of DRDO, DRDO by itself has more than 50 R&D departments.... And The govt of India is ready to give money for R&D... and We are doing it now because we are having a dedicated Defense minister Mr AK.Anthony....

India is a very vast Country, It has poverty, but cannot afford to compromise on its defense because of The region we are in....

MCA will be only taken up after LCA.... And TOT from FGFA is granted so the DRDO can go a steap ahead keeping the technology as a base and indulge in MCA....And comparing to other countries, our defense spending is low, as we spend just 3% of our GDP.... So We have a better economy, we can afford so much R&D at the same time without Disturbing defense purchases....

We want our country to Be a developed country and Export good quality weapon systems in the future.. so we are sowing a seed today for better tomorrow...

And May I know what are the Indeginious equipments JF-17 is carrying? Sorry I couldnt find it on web

 

[Hyde]

Yes buddy, I can explain it to you..... Our govt promotes R&D in India than Importing to be frank with you... You not only take in any field, may it be renewable source of energy or Defense , India has R&D departments in the fields like any other country...

We are taking up a task of Submarine,Aircraft carriers, LCA,MCA,FGFA , at the same time, but these are Not clashing as these are taken Up buy various departments Of DRDO, DRDO by itself has more than 50 R&D departments.... And The govt of India is ready to give money for R&D... and We are doing it now because we are having a dedicated Defense minister Mr AK.Anthony....

India is a very vast Country, It has poverty, but cannot afford to compromise on its defense because of The region we are in....

MCA will be only taken up after LCA.... And TOT from FGFA is granted so the DRDO can go a steap ahead keeping the technology as a base and indulge in MCA....

And May I know what are the Indeginious equipments JF-17 is carrying? Sorry I couldnt find it on web

oh well i am nill in defense.... so other dear members might be able to help you answer your question

But all i was saying is........ why keep 8-10 platforms at the same time where even the devoleped countries opt to choose 2-4 platforms at a time?

thanks for your detailed reply

 

[LCA Tejas]

oh well i am nill in defense.... so other dear members might be able to help you answer your question

But all i was saying is........ why keep 8-10 platforms at the same time where even the devoleped countries opt to choose 2-4 platforms at a time?

thanks for your detailed reply

You are welcome sir, the developed countries are researching on new , but we are researching on stuffs which are already built... the only thing we are doing is creating our own technology....

India is taking up a task of making its own Weapon systems rather purchasing it... I dont thing there is anything wrong in it...

We Buy many aircrafts, but when we can ourselves develop a good aircraft, why go for another one... Its applicable for all the platforms...

 

[Hyde]

You are welcome sir, the developed countries are researching on new , but we are researching on stuffs which are already built... the only thing we are doing is creating our own technology....

India is taking up a task of making its own Weapon systems rather purchasing it... I dont thing there is anything wrong in it...

We Buy many aircrafts, but when we can ourselves develop a good aircraft, why go for another one... Its applicable for all the platforms...

well feel free to invent the product that has already been invented

No worries, its your money, your country, your resources......... so if you feel comfortable with it........ best of luck

 

[zeus]

any news abt MMR induction coze it hald on next month.

Tejas LSP-3 will be first to have MMR ,Fine tuning of MMR and software bugs are been sorted out ,HAL wants radar to be fully working on all modes that's the reasons why its taking time ,but Ground trials on LSP-3 and LSP-4 have already been done only because of MMR their are waiting their first flight

 

[LCA Tejas]

well feel free to invent the product that has already been invented

No worries, its your money, your country, your resources......... so if you feel comfortable with it........ best of luck

You got me wrong there sir, Inventing a the products which has already been invented is not what we are doing...

Why is China working of JF-17???? wasnt that an Invented technology either??? the only thing is that You created your own technology in making it rather than Buying... You built JF-17 on the lines of other 4th gen aircrafts... does that make it not yours?

LCA ,MCA,FGFA are the Same.... its a proven technology, India will study it, and develop aircraft of Indian origin... Hope you understand better now...

 

[Hyde]

You got me wrong there sir, Inventing a the products which has already been invented is not what we are doing...

Why is China working of JF-17???? wasnt that an Invented technology either??? the only thing is that You created your own technology in making it rather than Buying...

LCA ,MCA,FGFA are the Same.... its a proven technology, India will study it, and develop aircraft of Indian origin... Hope you understand better now...

yes i have understood Sir,

thanks for your time

Best of Luck India (as long as they stay away from Pakistani borders)

As i always say...... Rich and technologically advanced South Asia is in interest of everybody....... If India, China, Iran and Afghanistan all become rich....... i am sure Pakistani will be rich automatically......... look at the european countries bordering with UK, France and Germany. They became rich automatically for collaborations with their neighbours.

I am sure one day South Asia will give a tough time to Europe...... and i feel that day is not very far

 

[LCA Tejas]

yes i have understood Sir,

thanks for your time

Best of Luck India (as long as they stay away from Pakistani borders)

You are welcome mate.... And thanks, Our weapons are to defend not offend... relax.

 

[LCA Tejas]

As i always say...... Rich and technologically advanced South Asia is in interest of everybody....... If India, China, Iran and Afghanistan all become rich....... i am sure Pakistani will be rich automatically......... look at the european countries bordering with UK, France and Germany. They became rich automatically for collaborations with their neighbours.

I am sure one day South Asia will give a tough time to Europe...... and i feel that day is not very far

Iam sure too, as now India and Pakistan are on talks, We are pretty sure of that happening, Imagine an aircraft developed by CHINA,India,Russia and Pakistan... can you deny that from becoming a world class fighter jet?

We will come across that day soon... Something like Indo-Pak fighter typhoon.... how about that?

 

[TheBraveHeart]

@ LCA Tejas / Indian members

With all due respect mate i want to know something. Why India have so many indegineous projects like LCA, Pakfa, MCA and the list goes on. I want to know don't you think if India had concentrate on 1 or 2 projects only at a time they could have speed up the process of indeginization after concentrating on one or two projects only? and also would have opted for their best indiginazation program and buy more aircrafts in numbers to reduce costs too........ i mean just look at so many projects first and then you will buy 100s of aircrafts seperately..... why not concentrate only on 1-2 projects like Pakistan did on JF-17 and buy in large number instead.

I mean first look at the aircrafts you are using..... MIG21, MIG 27, MIG 29, SU30 MKI, Jaguars, Mirages and don't know if i am missing any..... then you guyz are going to have another MMRCA, PAKFA, LCA, MCA and the last goes on. Why you need so many platforms at a single time....... why not go for One PAKFA instead in large numbers and one other indegineous program to reduce the costs of both aircrafts and training etc............

Just my opinion with no bad intentions

Dude u seem to confuse between the various ongoing projects..and the different aircraft types..past/present/future...

To start with India requires a minimum of 42 operating squadrons with 16-20 planes each, at any time to secure its interests..but at present operates only ~32 squadrons. Dont compare it with Pakistans coz PAF has very less ground area to cover and doesn't have two nuclear powered enemies breathing down for its neck in unison. Also, it can't fund so many projects due to economic problems however they would certainly wish to.

Earlier India fielded a large number of Mig's-21,23,27 which were comparatively cheap and readily available from Russia but were not potent enough...So when opportunity came,the IAF went with Jaguars, Mirages and Mig-29 kind of planes with different capabilities i.e ground attack to air to air to BVR attack, to check on the costs(operating as well buying, Indian economy wasn't flourishing then) they were inducted in less numbers. In early 2000 Su-30MKI were inducted which were much better than Mig-29 and were multi-performance capable.At this point India had a well behaving economy to support its demands and therefore a huge chunk had been ordered. That explains need for so many different types.

Now regarding the projects, LCA began in early 1990's, it initially went at snails pace due to numerous sanctions/embargoes that were put on us. It was supposed to replace all Mig-21,23 but due to
delays it is will take a decade more since more than 200 are supposed to be inducted.

The induction of MMRCA is to quickly fill a void in the no. of squadrons as well as replace a few Mig-21.

PAK-FA is supposed to be a future plane capable of projecting India as a global power and to deter China in the future. These planes going to be inducted in ~2020 ....so atleast a decade from now when Su-30Mki would have lost its shine.

MCA is more of a ground attack plane which is supposed to replace Mig-27,Jaguars. The project hasn't begun as such and is in preliminary stages but is supposed to be successful in ~2025(optimistic view) when those oldies mentioned would retire..

So looking at a very optimistic situation these are the figures IAF may have in 2020

LCA- 150+
FGFA-20+
MIG-29-50+
Mirages-50+
MMRCA-120+
Su-30MKI-230+
Jaguars-~100

Later IAF would only have Tejas(200+), FGFA(200), MMRCA(125) and Su-30MKI(230) for multi role/air dominance and MCA(200) for ground attack.