HAL Tejas | Updates, News & Discussions-[Thread 2]

[JohnWick]

Again I will say that it's your point of view.

Our view is different, you don't had much needed fighter plane. Because you were having only one decent fighter f16 aircraft in your inventory. You inducted the jf 17 even not being fully developed.

Indian case is just different, we were already having 4th generation aircraft's in front line duty (su30mki, mirage 2000 and mig 29). We were not in hurray to induct a under developed aircraft. Many critical features are added and getting add in jf 17 after inducted in inventory.

Again, pls technology prove that jf 17 aircraft is superior to present hal tejas.

Overall, hal tejas mk1a will be future of Indian airforce just like jf17 block 3 for Pakistan.

But, our front line deployed aircraft's will be much more capable aircrafts like su 30mki, Rafael, AMCA... Etc

Your Su-30 mki if billions of dollars are not invested on them will become another mig-21.....
36 rafales are too small in number for IAF against J-20 J-10C and Su-35 of PLA and
70 PAF JF-17 Thunder block 3.
Mirage 2000 proves to be an absolute shit against the current Block 2 of thunder on 27 feb....As we had easily jammed their radars....
And it is not India where you can lie openly
IAF used 60 years old mig-21 as its front line fighter.....Crashing here and there and you are saying that we are reluctant to induct an under developed fighter????

 

[THE SEEKER]

Quoting one of a good posts in twitter I usually follow
Saurav Jha
@SJha1618

The most laughable argument is the one about 'how can you call it indigenous when it has xyz imported content'. You think design & integration just drops from a tree? It is the systems-level IP that counts today. And most components can be indigenized given sizeable orders.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Your Su-30 mki if billions of dollars are not invested on them will become another mig-21.....
36 rafales are too small in number for IAF against J-20 J-10C and Su-35 of PLA and
70 PAF JF-17 Thunder block 3.
Mirage 2000 proves to be an absolute shit against the current Block 2 of thunder on 27 feb....As we had easily jammed their radars....
And it is not India where you can lie openly
IAF used 60 years old mig-21 as its front line fighter.....Crashing here and there and you are saying that we are reluctant to induct an under developed fighter????

Your Su-30 mki if billions of dollars are not invested on them will become another mig-21.....

Sorry, it would not. Su 30mki is just like jf 17... Regarding Manufacturing! We are also doing in-house maintenance (I.e engine also) and only few parts need to import...

36 rafales are too small in number for IAF against J-20 J-10C and Su-35 of PLA and
70 PAF JF-17 Thunder block 3.

Anyone is fooling by himself if he thinks that China will come and fight for them.

Mirage 2000 proves to be an absolute shit against the current Block 2 of thunder on 27 feb....As we had easily jammed their radars....

No, mirage 2000 is far better than Jf 17 2, even mirage 2000 was able to shoot down a f16 in a past... Pls read the history carefully..

And it is not India where you can lie openly
IAF used 60 years old mig-21 as its front line fighter.....Crashing here and there and you are saying that we are reluctant to induct an under developed fighter????

Your mirage rose fighter and f 7 fighter aircraft also have good crash records but still in use....

We should not be so much hurray to induct a aircraft and immediately after 5-7 years, go for upgradation...

Half tejas is a good step to become self sufficient for new making aircraft's.

 

[JohnWick]

Your Su-30 mki if billions of dollars are not invested on them will become another mig-21.....

Sorry, it would not. Su 30mki is just like jf 17... Regarding Manufacturing! We are also doing in-house maintenance (I.e engine also) and only few parts need to import...

36 rafales are too small in number for IAF against J-20 J-10C and Su-35 of PLA and
70 PAF JF-17 Thunder block 3.

Anyone is fooling by himself if he thinks that China will come and fight for them.

Mirage 2000 proves to be an absolute shit against the current Block 2 of thunder on 27 feb....As we had easily jammed their radars....

No, mirage 2000 is far better than Jf 17 2, even mirage 2000 was able to shoot down a f16 in a past... Pls read the history carefully..

And it is not India where you can lie openly
IAF used 60 years old mig-21 as its front line fighter.....Crashing here and there and you are saying that we are reluctant to induct an under developed fighter????

Your mirage rose fighter and f 7 fighter aircraft also have good crash records but still in use....

We should not be so much hurray to induct a aircraft and immediately after 5-7 years, go for upgradation...

Half tejas is a good step to become self sufficient for new making aircraft's.

Su-30 mki and JF-17 Thunder are different as respect to the maintenance....
One uses a single engine and other is a twin engine....
JFT costs much less flight hours than that of the su-30 and a very high safe flight hours as respect to the Su 30 mki.....
None of the air craft it's crashed since 2012.....

Mirage 2000 it's no where near F-16 .....
but in the wizard of oz you live even a mig-21 can fo the same job....So not a new one.

JF-17 is the main reason why PAF didn't go bother about mirage 2000 procurement in early 2000.....

JF-17 uses state of the art radar jamming EW system.....
And it is also not a fan made story....

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Su-30 mki and JF-17 Thunder are different as respect to the maintenance....
One uses a single engine and other is a twin engine....
JFT costs much less flight hours than that of the su-30 and a very high safe flight hours as respect to the Su 30 mki.....
None of the air craft it's crashed since 2012.....

Mirage 2000 it's no where near F-16 .....
but in the wizard of oz you live even a mig-21 can fo the same job....So not a new one.

JF-17 is the main reason why PAF didn't go bother about mirage 2000 procurement in early 2000.....

JF-17 uses state of the art radar jamming EW system.....
And it is also not a fan made story....

Thunder are different as respect to the maintenance....
One uses a single engine and other is a twin engine....

Regarding maintenance, both are OEM products. You totally depends on China because they developed/ tested the aircraft. Also, parts are being used are Chinese's... Same goes to MKI... Manufacturing the parts, does not means.... OEM tags and dependency get removed completely.


JFT costs much less flight hours than that of the su-30 and a very high safe flight hours as respect to the Su 30 mki.....
None of the air craft it's crashed since 2012.....

Mki - 7 crashed in 20 years and flying around 200+...... Not a bad safety record.

Jf 17 - 3 crashed in 10 years...

There is no compression mki comes under different class... Jf 17 2 is just comparable to half tejas.


Mirage 2000 it's no where near F-16 .....
but in the wizard of oz you live even a mig-21 can fo the same job....So not a new one.

Totally wrong...

JF-17 uses state of the art radar jamming EW system.....
And it is also not a fan made story....

Technically, comes the same hal tejas level..

Hak tejas mk1a will be future of Indian air force... Again, it will be second line defense because we will have more advanced fighters plane in front line duty... Su 30mki, Rafael etc...

 

[JohnWick]

Thunder are different as respect to the maintenance....
One uses a single engine and other is a twin engine....

Regarding maintenance, both are OEM products. You totally depends on China because they developed/ tested the aircraft. Also, parts are being used are Chinese's... Same goes to MKI... Manufacturing the parts, does not means.... OEM tags and dependency get removed completely.


JFT costs much less flight hours than that of the su-30 and a very high safe flight hours as respect to the Su 30 mki.....
None of the air craft it's crashed since 2012.....

Mki - 7 crashed in 20 years and flying around 200+...... Not a bad safety record.

Jf 17 - 3 crashed in 10 years...

There is no compression mki comes under different class... Jf 17 2 is just comparable to half tejas.


Mirage 2000 it's no where near F-16 .....
but in the wizard of oz you live even a mig-21 can fo the same job....So not a new one.

Thunder are different as respect to the maintenance....
One uses a single engine and other is a twin engine....

Regarding maintenance, both are OEM products. You totally depends on China because they developed/ tested the aircraft. Also, parts are being used are Chinese's... Same goes to MKI... Manufacturing the parts, does not means.... OEM tags and dependency get removed completely.


JFT costs much less flight hours than that of the su-30 and a very high safe flight hours as respect to the Su 30 mki.....
None of the air craft it's crashed since 2012.....

Mki - 7 crashed in 20 years and flying around 200+...... Not a bad safety record.

Jf 17 - 3 crashed in 10 years...

There is no compression mki comes under different class... Jf 17 2 is just comparable to half tejas.


Mirage 2000 it's no where near F-16 .....
but in the wizard of oz you live even a mig-21 can fo the same job....So not a new one.

Totally wrong...

JF-17 uses state of the art radar jamming EW system.....
And it is also not a fan made story....

Technically, comes the same hal tejas level..

Hak tejas mk1a will be future of Indian air force... Again, it will be second line defense because we will have more advanced fighters plane in front line duty... Su 30mki, Rafael etc...

2 jft are crashed till date.....
And jft is also very modren with respect to mirage 2000
Mirage 2000 cockpit

jft cockpit

With cutting edge EW suit....
And with higher weaponry
Like SD-10E defined as Chinese AMRAAM
AIM-120C.....
And evolving.....

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

2 jft are crashed till date.....
And jft is also very modren with respect to mirage 2000
Mirage 2000 cockpit View attachment 607161jft cockpitView attachment 607162
With cutting edge EW suit....
And with higher weaponry
Like SD-10E defined as Chinese AMRAA AIM-120C.....
And evolving.....

Its Indian Mirage 2000 (Upgraded) cockpit....... Again, it is easily comparable and threat to F16 with MICA missiles.

Let comes and talk about original Thread on Hal Tejas..... just trolling is not a good idea ...

 

[PakShaheen79]

Q.1 : Have all Mirage-2000H have been upgraded?
Q.2: Did Upgraded aircraft take part in Balakot failed strike?

 

[anathema]

Q.1 : Have all Mirage-2000H have been upgraded?

No. Not all - it still is going on. Dont know how many of them have been upgraded.

Q.2: Did Upgraded aircraft take part in Balakot failed strike?

Tomato - TAMATO. Balakot strike was a success and fully achieved its political objectives. Upgraded aircraft was not used for deep strike. Upgraded Mirage was on CAP duty in which JF17 absolutely refused to engage.

Your Su-30 mki if billions of dollars are not invested on them will become another mig-21.....
36 rafales are too small in number for IAF against J-20 J-10C and Su-35 of PLA and
70 PAF JF-17 Thunder block 3.
Mirage 2000 proves to be an absolute shit against the current Block 2 of thunder on 27 feb....As we had easily jammed their radars....
And it is not India where you can lie openly
IAF used 60 years old mig-21 as its front line fighter.....Crashing here and there and you are saying that we are reluctant to induct an under developed fighter????

I see the Gafoora effect . Man does your ISPR department do their job well. Anyways lies come back to bite. Heres something for you to research - JF17 refused to engage with M2K, i mean absolutely. If you can prove otherwise- with an official article then i am all hears. I am still waiting for Su 30 MKI kill from radar intercepts.

 

[PakShaheen79]

No. Not all - it still is going on. Dont know how many of them have been upgraded.


Tomato - TAMATO. Balakot strike was a success and fully achieved its political objectives. Upgraded aircraft was not used for deep strike. Upgraded Mirage was on CAP duty in which JF17 absolutely refused to engage.

Thanks.
Same is true for Upgraded Mirages which supposed to be a much superior aircraft. Actually, you are wondering why did JF-17's pilot didn't make the same mistake committed by your WC Abhi. It is called professional conduct after receiving clear instructions on secure channels.

Achieved its political objectives ... Hmm... Please care to explain how did that happen without achieving anything on ground?

 

[anathema]

Thanks.
Same is true for Upgraded Mirages which supposed to be a much superior aircraft. Actually, you are wondering why did JF-17's pilot didn't make the same mistake committed by your WC Abhi. It is called professional conduct after receiving clear instructions on secure channels.

Maybe or maybe not. All we know is that CAP Mirages tried to engage with JF17 - but it kept going cold, refused to be engaged. Perhaps that may be the strategy - one will never know.
With regards to your secure channels comment. Yes - Loud and clear. That discrepancy is now being removed on war footing with ODL and SDR.

Achieved its political objectives ... Hmm... Please care to explain how did that happen without achieving anything on ground?

Indias political objective is two fold- (a) to create a space where conventional conflict can be held. It created that space on 26th Feb. (b) to go after perpetrators - it achieved this as well.
PAF's and broadly speaking PAK armed forces objective was singular (a) Appear to be restoring status quo to placate domestic audience. PAK armed forces achieved its objective as well.

 

[PakShaheen79]

Indias political objective is two fold- (a) to create a space where conventional conflict can be held. It created that space on 26th Feb. (b) to go after perpetrators - it achieved this as well.
PAF's and broadly speaking PAK armed forces objective was singular (a) Appear to be restoring status quo to placate domestic audience. PAK armed forces achieved its objective as well.

Ok. From Pakistan's perspective, Indian attempt met with a complete failure. Killing a crow was all what was achieved. Pakistan successfully called off the Indian bluff of failing the Pakistan's conventional deterrence within 30 hours by 1. Bombing military installation in IoK, 2. By Detecting and forcing Indian submarine out 3. Denying India a ballistic missile strike. After 27/2 .. Indian military failed to climb up the escalation ladder itself destroying the idea of a limited war under nuclear overhang!

 

[JohnWick]

No. Not all - it still is going on. Dont know how many of them have been upgraded.


Tomato - TAMATO. Balakot strike was a success and fully achieved its political objectives. Upgraded aircraft was not used for deep strike. Upgraded Mirage was on CAP duty in which JF17 absolutely refused to engage.



I see the Gafoora effect . Man does your ISPR department do their job well. Anyways lies come back to bite. Heres something for you to research - JF17 refused to engage with M2K, i mean absolutely. If you can prove otherwise- with an official article then i am all hears. I am still waiting for Su 30 MKI kill from radar intercepts.

don't burn man

 

[Comfortably Numb]

No. Not all - it still is going on. Dont know how many of them have been upgraded.


Tomato - TAMATO. Balakot strike was a success and fully achieved its political objectives. Upgraded aircraft was not used for deep strike. Upgraded Mirage was on CAP duty in which JF17 absolutely refused to engage.




I see the Gafoora effect . Man does your ISPR department do their job well. Anyways lies come back to bite. Heres something for you to research - JF17 refused to engage with M2K, i mean absolutely. If you can prove otherwise- with an official article then i am all hears. I am still waiting for Su 30 MKI kill from radar intercepts.

1-His name is Ghafoor
2-"if only we had rafales......"
3- You are full of shit

 

[anathema]

Ok. From Pakistan's perspective, Indian attempt met with a complete failure.

From a Pakistani perspective - its fine. Like i said. PAF and Pak armed forces achieved its objective.

Killing a crow was all what was achieved.

40 days to give a tour of neighborhood site - sure COWS were the only living organisms that were killed. Gafoor did his job well , with utmost sincerity. Pity he was passed off for promotion.

Pakistan successfully called off the Indian bluff of failing the Pakistan's conventional deterrence within 30 hours by 1. Bombing military installation in IoK,

Every bomb of yours fell short of target by 500 mtrs to more than a KM. It just means poor employment of stand off weapons. But PAF is a professional air force - this will be corrected immediately.

2. By Detecting and forcing Indian submarine out 3. Denying India a ballistic missile strike. After 27/2 .. Indian military failed to climb up the escalation ladder itself destroying the idea of a limited war under nuclear overhang!

With regards to ballistic missiles - how did you deny India that oppurtunity. I dont know of this. India did not climb escalation ladder because it met its objectives. Also the utter capitulation on PAK's part to return back Abhinandan - it hoped for cessation of hostilities. It got what it wanted.

1-His name is Ghafoor
2-"if only we had rafales......"
3- You are full of shit

If only we had rafales - is a perfectly acceptable statement. If you cannot process it then its your problem. Our generals have much more freehand to speak. We dont put generals in house arrest due to a difference of opinion

You are full of shit is a statement resorted by people who are incompetent and jingoistic. Absolutely devoid of facts.