HAL Tejas | Updates, News & Discussions-[Thread 2]

[Dark Lord Forever]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121076980340781057

didn't indian navy reject teja for forign fighter? what is purpose if it is rejected. stupid indian logic.

mark my words teja was, is and always will be a failure.

bye.

 

[ziaulislam]

It was considered, a process was started, and then it was discarded.

The choice was between getting Gripen MII by 2025 followed by Rafale MII after 2030 in two separate tender processes, or get both Rafale and MWF by 2025 because only 1 tender is necessary. The choice became quite obvious.

Not to mention, the MWF avionics configuration is superior to the Gripen E. GaN radar, dual channel IRST etc.

What if by 2025 LCA new aka MCa is not ready ...IAF is no match against PLAAF and even has no superiority over pakistan because its squardons have diminished just to 30(including 8squadron of mig21) ifHAL fails IAF will fall behind even PAF in squardon size by 2025

Any logical person would sign for ready made project be it gripen c/ng/f16 or f18 immediately so that delivery can start in 12-18 months ..it can wait for 2025 it cant even wait a day more
Su30 wont cut it too large and too maintenance intensive to generate high sorties

The choice is obvious you can't take risks on this..what if IAF/PLAAF go to war...IAF will be slaughtered

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121076980340781057

Navy again evaluating LCA ?

 

[randomradio]

What if by 2025 LCA new aka MCa is not ready ...IAF is no match against PLAAF and even has no superiority over pakistan because its squardons have diminished just to 30(including 8squadron of mig21) ifHAL fails IAF will fall behind even PAF in squardon size by 2025

Any logical person would sign for ready made project be it gripen c/ng/f16 or f18 immediately so that delivery can start in 12-18 months ..it can wait for 2025 it cant even wait a day more

MCA/MWF has to come in only by 2030, not 2025. In the meantime, there will be Rafales. A second order of 36 will be placed by 2020-21. MCA and the jet from the new MMRCA tender will see simultaneous induction well after 2025.

Yes, there is the fear of the IAF falling short in squadron strength even compared to PAF, but the quality of aircraft more than makes up for the difference.

Between now and 2025, the IAF will see the induction of 111 LCAs and 72 Rafales. And there will be an order for 21 more Mig-29s and 18 more MKIs at the minimum during this time. That takes us to 222 new jets before 2025. It's barely enough, but that's a massive number, enough to replace all the remaining Mig-21s and Mig-27s on a one to one basis. That's 222 jets without the MCA and MMRCA coming in.

IAF will be about 700 jets by then. And by 2027, the IN will be worth more than 100 jets as well. Furthermore, with the induction of 150+ dedicated attack helicopters and about 200+ UCAVs along with as many as 10 regiments of S-400 by 2027, it will free up a lot of fighter jets from CAS and air defence duties. Overall, the IAF will be many, many times stronger than they are today.

Su30 wont cut it too large and too maintenance intensive to generate high sorties

It can do 3 sorties a day, more than enough for a heavy aircraft that can stay in the air for hours with a large missile load.

The choice is obvious you can't take risks on this..what if IAF/PLAAF go to war...IAF will be slaughtered

No, the IAF are not really worried about the PLAAF. They are yet to technologically match up to the IAF today. On top of that the geography in Tibet is entirely to the IAF's advantage. The PLAAF have to fly with a 40% payload cut due to the altitude of the Tibetan air fields. So their Flankers are like Mig-21s.

Navy again evaluating LCA ?

Lot of misinformation on this forum. The navy never stopped evaluating LCA. What they rejected was the LCA Mk1 powered by the F404, which was well-known for nearly a decade now. It's merely a TD. The IN have set their sights on the N-MCA/MWF, powered by the F414, perhaps the higher rated Enhanced F414. A new aircraft is being designed based on the LCA.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

What if by 2025 LCA new aka MCa is not ready ...IAF is no match against PLAAF and even has no superiority over pakistan because its squardons have diminished just to 30(including 8squadron of mig21) ifHAL fails IAF will fall behind even PAF in squardon size by 2025

What matters is the number of 4th gen combat jets.
India now has 419 4th gen jets whereas Pakistan has only 186 or so i.e. India has a 2.25:1 advantage.
Also PAF is losing squadron strength too as 3 none Mirage squadrons and 1 F-7P squadron will be retired in 2-3 years

 

[ziaulislam]

What matters is the number of 4th gen combat jets.
India now has 419 4th gen jets whereas Pakistan has only 186 or so i.e. India has a 2.25:1 advantage.
Also PAF is losing squadron strength too as 3 none Mirage squadrons and 1 F-7P squadron will be retired in 2-3 years

Yes, which is nearly not enough against Pakistan. You are going to dominate an opponent with merely 2:1 or 3:1 ratio on their home tarrif? Doesn't work.

Forget about PLAAF there isnt even any competition

PAF will continue to add 1sq/year (16 aircrafts ) of jf17 replacing all f7s this year, mirages in next 2 years, PGs till 2025 and Rose mirages till 2030 assuming f16s are continuously blocked

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

Yes, which is nearly not enough against Pakistan. You are going to dominate an opponent with merely 2:1 or 3:1 ratio on their home tarrif? Doesn't work.

Forget about PLAAF there isnt even any competition

PAF will continue to add 1sq/year (16 aircrafts ) of jf17 replacing all f7s this year, mirages in next 2 years, PGs till 2025 and Rose mirages till 2030 assuming f16s are continuously blocked

IAF is also adding 1+ squadron a year. More than PAF.
The ratio on western front in 1971 was just 1.9:1 and yet we prevailed

 

[ziaulislam]

IAF is also adding 1+ squadron a year. More than PAF.
The ratio on western front in 1971 was just 1.9:1 and yet we prevailed

IAF is losing more than its gaining squardons..
But if IAF is okay with having less aircrafts than PLAAF j10 alone than who am i to argue we are happy with IAF current pace..hence PAF ability to escalate and respond that we saw

you are completely wrong on 1971 loses and aircraft ratio but that is different topic

 

[randomradio]

IAF is losing more than its gaining squardons..
But if IAF is okay with having less aircrafts than PLAAF j10 alone than who am i to argue we are happy with IAF current pace..hence PAF ability to escalate and respond that we saw

you are completely wrong on 1971 loses and aircraft ratio but that is different topic

Our current squadron strength is a problem only if both Pakistan and China attack us together.

If it's only Pakistan or only China, we have more than enough.

 

[Sully3]

Our current squadron strength is a problem only if both Pakistan and China attack us together.

If it's only Pakistan or only China, we have more than enough.

the chinese will smoke you as of right now

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

IAF is losing more than its gaining squardons..
But if IAF is okay with having less aircrafts than PLAAF j10 alone than who am i to argue we are happy with IAF current pace..hence PAF ability to escalate and respond that we saw

you are completely wrong on 1971 loses and aircraft ratio but that is different topic

So is PAF.
PAF will get only 1 full JFT Blk3 squadron by 2022 but pull out the 4 squadrons from service.
PLAAF is barely a threat to us.
Which is why only 3 of our 4th gen fighter squadrons are on China front, rest are all kept for Pakistan.
As for 71, PAF sorties loss rate was twice of IAF's but that is another topic.

 

[Aryan0395]

Yes, which is nearly not enough against Pakistan. You are going to dominate an opponent with merely 2:1 or 3:1 ratio on their home tarrif? Doesn't work.

Forget about PLAAF there isnt even any competition

If IAF doesnt have enough aircrafts to dominate PAF in their own airspace then similarly PLAAF doesnt either to do the same with IAF. IAF wont attack against PLAAF instead it will defend. China's number coupled with topography doesnt allow it to dominate Indian airspace.

 

[randomradio]

If IAF doesnt have enough aircrafts to dominate PAF in their own airspace then similarly PLAAF doesnt either to do the same with IAF. IAF wont attack against PLAAF instead it will defend. China's number coupled with topography doesnt allow it to dominate Indian airspace.

As of today, defending our airspace is our only option in a two front war on the Chinese border. But this is not desirable. However we will soon operate a lot of attack helicopters and UCAVs for supporting our troops, which is a good thing.

 

[Aryan0395]

But this is not desirable.

Actually i believe that developing attacking capabilities vis-a-vis China is quite difficult because of Geography.
Tibetan Plateau separating India from mainland China is big nothing and our jets will have to go in too deep to hit anything meaningful.
Doesn't seem reasonable.
But ofc, hitting temporary and smaller bases and infra is desirable, for that platform already exists with IAF.

 

[randomradio]

Actually i believe that developing attacking capabilities vis-a-vis China is quite difficult because of Geography.
Tibetan Plateau separating India from mainland China is big nothing and our jets will have to go in too deep to hit anything meaningful.
Doesn't seem reasonable.
But ofc, hitting temporary and smaller bases and infra is desirable, for that platform already exists with IAF.

That's not correct. Any India China war will see massive supply lines from the frontier to all the way deep within China. We need to hit everything. This is called Deep Air Interdiction. There will be plenty of targets that we will need to hit, including assembly areas.

 

[Han Patriot]

That's not correct. Any India China war will see massive supply lines from the frontier to all the way deep within China. We need to hit everything. This is called Deep Air Interdiction. There will be plenty of targets that we will need to hit, including assembly areas.

Such confident Indians, I think you need to check our gen 4 aircraft inventory and the fact that we manufacture almost the entire aircraft ourselves.