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Hajj stampede: witnesses blame Saudi officials and police as King Salman orders review
Some pilgrims say they are afraid to continue the ritual stoning of the devil amid complaints of inexperienced police and a lack of organisation

A pilgrim prays on the Mountain of Mercy, on the Plain of Arafat, near the holy city of Mecca. Photograph: Mosa'ab Elshamy/AP

Witnesses to a stampede that left more than 700 people dead at the hajj in Saudi Arabia on Thursday blamed Saudi authorities and said they were afraid to continue the rituals.

The worst tragedy in 25 years at the annual Muslim pilgrimage occurred on Thursday during the symbolic stoning of the devil at Mina, just outside the holy city of Mecca.

At least 717 people were killed and 863 people were hurt, spurring King Salman to order “a revision” of hajj organisation while authorities started to investigate the disaster.

The Saudi health minister, Khalid al-Falih, earlier pointed a finger of blame at the dead, saying the pilgrims had been undisciplined and not followed movement instructions, but the witnesses disagreed.

“There was crowding. The police had closed all entrances and exits to the pilgrims’ camp, leaving only one,” said Ahmed Abu Bakr, a 45-year-old Libyan who escaped the stampede with his mother.

“I saw dead bodies in front of me and injuries and suffocation. We removed the victims with the police.”

He added that police at the scene appeared inexperienced. “They don’t even know the roads and the places around here,” he said as others nodded in agreement.


The pope expresses his sympathy over the deaths in Mecca. Link to video.
Pilgrims in Mina stay in a complex of white fireproof tents big enough to hold more than 2 million people, and the interior ministry said it deployed 100,000 police to secure the hajj, maintain safety and manage traffic and crowds.

One outspoken critic of redevelopment at the holy sites said despite the large numbers, police were not properly trained and lacked the language skills for communicating with foreign pilgrims, who make up the majority of those on the hajj.

“They don’t have a clue how to engage with these people,” said Irfan al-Alawi, co-founder of the Mecca-based Islamic heritage research foundation. “There’s no crowd control.”

Another witness, 39-year-old Egyptian Mohammed Hasan, voiced worries that a similar incident “could happen again”. “You just find soldiers gathered in one place doing nothing,” he said.

He also alleged that he had been insulted because of his nationality, when security men asked him to “come identify this Egyptian corpse”.

“Why are they humiliating us like this? We are coming as pilgrims asking for nothing,” Hasan said angrily, urging the security forces to “organise the roads” to ensure the smooth movement of people.


Even before Thursday’s stoning tragedy, other pilgrims had complained of a lack of organisation.

Thursday’s tragedy occurred outside the five-storey Jamarat bridge, which was erected in the last decade at a cost of more than $1bn and intended to improve safety.

Almost a kilometre long, the Jamarat bridge allows 300,000 pilgrims an hour to carry out the ritual, in which they throw pebbles against walls.

An interior ministry spokesman, General Mansur al-Turki, said the stampede was caused when “a large number of pilgrims were in motion at the same time” at an intersection of two streets in Mina. “The great heat and fatigue of the pilgrims contributed to the large number of victims,” he said.

And one Saudi minister blamed the pilgrims for the tragedy, saying they had not followed hajj rules.

But in the view of an Egyptian worshipper who identified himself only by his first name, Ahmed, “the fault is not on the pilgrims”.

“Saudi Arabia is spending a lot on hajj but there is no organisation,” he said, complaining that the flow of people into and out of the tent camp needed to be better managed.

“They could make one road for those going and another for those returning,” Ahmed said. “If one policeman would stand at the start of every road and organise the pilgrims, none of this would happen.”


Muslim pilgrims sit by the site where pilgrims were crushed and trampled on Thursday. Photograph: Mosa'ab Elshamy/AP
The stoning ritual is supposed to continue on Friday and Saturday, but pilgrims said they were fearful of a repeat of Thursday’s deaths. Some put their faith in God, saying he would protect them.

“Of course we are afraid of tomorrow,” said Hasan, the Egyptian pilgrim. “I want to go do the stoning at night. I asked a cleric, he said it’s OK.”
 
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RIP!

Saudi Arabia is spending a lot on hajj but there is no organisation,” he said, complaining that the flow of people into and out of the tent camp needed to be better managed.
Could the ongoing construction activities be the reason why a few gates were closed?
 
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Saud are responsible to this tragedy shame of you saud killing of innocent hajjis May Allah curse you and and may he disgrace you and make a example out of you .
Curse of Allah and his messenger and his angel and his pious people on Saudi ruler .
If you are not able to handle the responsibility let other do for you dum fcuk.
 
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Are you really this naive? If that individual is a prince then I am Donald Trump.


Regarding this article from a dubious source (British media tabloid = famously anti-KSA and anti-Muslim overall) then I can easily find numerous contradictory witness accounts by the same pilgrims. Some have already been posted by me and others.

One is free to make a google search for a confirmation of that. The blame game makes no sense as there have been no report yet. It's likely a combination although this is just a personal guess.

Obviously this was not deliberate (only utter lunatics believe this to be the case) and if anyone is found to be partially or fully guilty rest assured that they will be punished and also rest assured that proper compensation for the victims will be given as when after that equally unfortunate crane collapse.

Just like after this freak accident due to heavy rainfall and a storm.

Mecca crane collapse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There have been no major incidents in Makkah and Madinah for 9 years in a row and now suddenly the regime in KSA has decided to kill pilgrims deliberately. Makes perfect sense.
 
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@ Oscar @Irfan Baloch @Manticore

please take care of this abusive troll

Saudi sob are responsible to this tragedy shame of you saud killing of innocent hajjis May Allah curse you and and may he disgrace you and make a example out of you .
Curse of Allah and his messenger and his angel and his pious people on Saudi ruler .
If you are not able to handle the responsibility let other do for you dum fcuk.
 
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Are you really this naive? If that individual is a prince then I am Donald Trump.


Regarding this article from a dubious source (British media tabloid = famously anti-KSA and anti-Muslim overall) then I can easily find numerous contradictory witness accounts by the same pilgrims. Some have already been posted by me and others.

One is free to make a google search for a confirmation of that. The blame game makes no sense as there have been no report yet. It's likely a combination although this is just a personal guess.

Obviously this was not deliberate (only utter lunatics believe this to be the case) and if anyone is found to be partially or fully guilty rest assured that they will be punished and also rest assured that proper compensation for the victims will be given as when after that equally unfortunate crane collapse.

Just like after this freak accident due to heavy rainfall and a storm.

Mecca crane collapse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There have been no major incidents in Makkah and Madinah for 9 years in a row and now suddenly the regime in KSA has decided to kill pilgrims deliberately. Makes perfect sense.

The number of people performing haj should be limited especially from extremist muslim countries like iran and iraq .
 
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The number of people performing haj should be limited especially from extremist muslim countries like iran and iraq .

I agree. They really need to limit the number of people performing Hajj from Iran. It's such a waste for our people to keep dying. If our own government bans them, then the people will get upset at our country. But if Saudi bans them, then the anger won't be internal.

So, good idea, I 100% support.
 
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The number of people performing haj should be limited especially from extremist muslim countries like iran and iraq .
something that made me happy.
I still can't understand why some people waste their money to go to haj for 18th time instead of helping the needy people in their own country.

By the way nobody care about the ideas of the peoples who are blinded by sectarianism.
 
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