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Gwadar- turn it into a liberal city.

Islam is not outdated ... What we call Sharia is not Islam ...
just stop man, your taking this thread in the wrong direction.
please leave this thread to simply making gawadar a liberal city and give reasons on why we should or shouldn't.

please as a fellow gujjar i ask you not to say no shit like that , you will not go any where if you keep posting stuff like that. you will be dismissed as a bigot.
 
well you going to have the option of drinking just like you do in canada. but you don't have it.
The option isn't even needed. A ban on alcohol won't change anything, in fact, there are major reasons to keep the ban. People have a tendency to think having a choice in drinking alcohol is the epitome of liberal society, but that's not the way to go about this. There is enough evidence to show that Alcohol causes more harm than marijuana, and considering that we're not even considering legalizing marijuana, the ban on the drink should remain in place.

Islam is not outdated ... What we call Sharia is not Islam ...
Dude, stop, Qamar is right, this isn't the thread for this topic.
 
You would be surprised about the fact that even Finland a very open minded country has laws regulating drinking...they are only sold on weekends and the tax is damn high you can see people bringing crates from Estonia ...man it was funny was like someone robbed a warehouse :P

So I guess some countries have realized its effects on society...while they are trying to reverse it...you are trying to go towards the damage :D
come on now lol
you know I'm right in my argument and still you want to try to win us over? lol
fine you win i lose.

The option isn't even needed. A ban on alcohol won't change anything, in fact, there are major reasons to keep the ban. People have a tendency to think having a choice in drinking alcohol is the epitome of liberal society, but that's not the way to go about this. There is enough evidence to show that Alcohol causes more harm than marijuana, and considering that we're not even considering legalizing marijuana, the ban on the drink should remain in place.


Dude, stop, Qamar is right, this isn't the thread for this topic.

alcohol is illegal and we have bootleggers and dozens of pakistan die from poisonous alcohol, we probably have alcohol mafias like america did in the 20s
 
@qamar1990 just for your information:

India[edit]
Main article: Prohibition in India
In India, manufacture, sale and/or consumption of alcohol is prohibited in the states of Gujarat, Manipur, Mizoram and Nagaland,[1] as well as the union territory of Lakshadweep. Prohibition has become controversial in Gujarat, following a July 2009 episode in which widespread poisoning resulted from alcohol that had been sold illegally.[2]

All Indian states observe dry days on major religious festivals/occasions depending on the popularity of the festival in that region. Dry Days are specific days when the sale of alcohol is banned, although consumption is permitted. Dry days are also observed on voting days. Dry Days are fixed by the respective state government. National holidays such as Republic Day (January 26), Independence Day (August 15) and Gandhi Jayanthi (October 2) are usually dry days throughout India.

Nordic countries[edit]
Two Nordic countries (Finland,[3] and Norway[4]) had a period of alcohol Prohibition in the early 20th century.

In Sweden, prohibition was heavily discussed, but never introduced, replaced by strict rationing and later by more lax regulation, which included allowing alcohol to be sold on Saturdays.

Following the end of prohibition, government alcohol monopolies were established with detailed restrictions and high taxes. Some of these restrictions have since been lifted. For example, supermarkets in Finland are allowed to sell only fermented beverages with an alcohol content up to 4.7% ABV, but Alko, the government monopoly, is allowed to sell wine and spirits. This is also the case with the Norwegian Vinmonopolet and the Swedish Systembolaget (though in Sweden the limit for allowed ABV in supermarkets is 3.5%).


United States[edit]

In the United States, there was an attempt from 1919 to 1933 to eliminate the drinking of alcoholic beverages by means of a national prohibition of their manufacture and sale. This period became known as the Prohibition era. During this time, the 18th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States made the manufacture, sale, and transportation of alcoholic beverages illegal throughout the United States.
Prohibition led to the unintended consequence of causing widespread disrespect for the law, as many people procured alcoholic beverages from illegal sources. In this way, a lucrative business was created for illegal producers and sellers of alcohol, which led to the development of organized crime. As a result, Prohibition became extremely unpopular, which ultimately led to the repeal of the 18th Amendment in 1933 via the adoption of the 21st Amendment to the Constitution.

Prior to national Prohibition, beginning in the late 19th century, many states and localities had enacted Prohibition within their jurisdictions. After the repeal of the 18th Amendment, some localities (known as dry counties) continued to ban the sale of alcohol.

come on now lol
you know I'm right in my argument and still you want to try to win us over? lol
fine you win i lose.
Brother I can show you their laws if you prefer that?
 
@qamar1990 just for your information:

India[edit]
Main article: Prohibition in India
In India, manufacture, sale and/or consumption of alcohol is prohibited in the states of Gujarat, Manipur, Mizoram and Nagaland,[1] as well as the union territory of Lakshadweep. Prohibition has become controversial in Gujarat, following a July 2009 episode in which widespread poisoning resulted from alcohol that had been sold illegally.[2]

All Indian states observe dry days on major religious festivals/occasions depending on the popularity of the festival in that region. Dry Days are specific days when the sale of alcohol is banned, although consumption is permitted. Dry days are also observed on voting days. Dry Days are fixed by the respective state government. National holidays such as Republic Day (January 26), Independence Day (August 15) and Gandhi Jayanthi (October 2) are usually dry days throughout India.

Nordic countries[edit]
Two Nordic countries (Finland,[3] and Norway[4]) had a period of alcohol Prohibition in the early 20th century.

In Sweden, prohibition was heavily discussed, but never introduced, replaced by strict rationing and later by more lax regulation, which included allowing alcohol to be sold on Saturdays.

Following the end of prohibition, government alcohol monopolies were established with detailed restrictions and high taxes. Some of these restrictions have since been lifted. For example, supermarkets in Finland are allowed to sell only fermented beverages with an alcohol content up to 4.7% ABV, but Alko, the government monopoly, is allowed to sell wine and spirits. This is also the case with the Norwegian Vinmonopolet and the Swedish Systembolaget (though in Sweden the limit for allowed ABV in supermarkets is 3.5%).


United States[edit]

In the United States, there was an attempt from 1919 to 1933 to eliminate the drinking of alcoholic beverages by means of a national prohibition of their manufacture and sale. This period became known as the Prohibition era. During this time, the 18th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States made the manufacture, sale, and transportation of alcoholic beverages illegal throughout the United States.
Prohibition led to the unintended consequence of causing widespread disrespect for the law, as many people procured alcoholic beverages from illegal sources. In this way, a lucrative business was created for illegal producers and sellers of alcohol, which led to the development of organized crime. As a result, Prohibition became extremely unpopular, which ultimately led to the repeal of the 18th Amendment in 1933 via the adoption of the 21st Amendment to the Constitution.

Prior to national Prohibition, beginning in the late 19th century, many states and localities had enacted Prohibition within their jurisdictions. After the repeal of the 18th Amendment, some localities (known as dry counties) continued to ban the sale of alcohol.
idk about the rest of these places but i know american history quite well and during the prohibition alcohol went under ground and it created gangs and crime and mafias.
 
so i have was thinking that the government of pakistan should turn gawadar into a liberal city.
what do i mean by this?:
1.have a defined boundary for gawadar
2.have its own laws
- complete freedom of speech
- alcohol is legal
- gambling is legal

-complete freedom of religion
- have its own special police force
- completely independent of balochistan
3. pakistanis from rest of pakistan would have to get special permission to work and live there.
4. the whole citys prices of goods and wages should be completely different from pakistan
- pick any european country ( follow its wages and prices for goods)
- if a bottle of pepsi costs a dollar then in gawadar it should be 100 rupees
- if minimum wage is 8 dollars an hour then in gawadar we should make it 800 rupees an hr
- and so on.
basically gawadar will become the hong kong of of pakistan.
what do you guys think?


bars, strip clubs, gays, -----yes
peadophilia -hell no
dollhouses-- already exist in pakistan so why not gawadar?
beach sex--- no
massage parlors ---yeah why not?


if we have casinos and bars and clubs ect
the people will come.

it is already at such a good location.
it will be our own europe in pakistan.


Now lets get back to what you said. Looks like you are promoting sex tourism in Gwadar in the name of economic progress and liberalism.
 
@Akheilos
I'm aware of the such laws and i know they exist. but that doesn't prove anything.
it doesn't disprove my argument.
but argument was never that liquor is good for or bad for you, but my argument was that people should have the freedom to drink if they choose.
 
@qamar1990

2009 article of BBC

In 2004 tax on alcohol in Finland was dramatically reduced, leading to price reductions of up to a third, depending on the type of alcohol.

Health campaigners say alcohol related harm visibly increased within the space of two or three years.
A change of government has since led to two increases in taxation, the most recent a 10% rise in January this year.
Finland has a heavy drinking culture and, like many countries who had a prohibition era, the sale of alcohol is strictly regulated.

Beer, wine and spirits that are more than 4.7% alcohol are sold via the monopoly chain of Alko stores.

In these stores any increase or decrease in government tax is directly passed on to consumers via prices, unlike the UK where retailers often absorb any extra duty imposed by the Treasury.

They are not allowed to discount alcohol via special offers.

BBC NEWS | Health | Finland's u-turn on alcohol tax

@Akheilos
I'm aware of the such laws and i know they exist. but that doesn't prove anything.
it doesn't disprove my argument.
but argument was never that liquor is good for or bad for you, but my argument was that people should have the freedom to drink if they choose.
These laws were adjusted based on studies


Health campaigners say alcohol related harm visibly increased within the space of two or three years.

Studies that showed more people got sick ...Finland is only 1 of the examples I can think of with a half dead brain! prob coz it is the latest 1 i read about :D
 
alcohol is illegal and we have bootleggers and dozens of pakistan die from poisonous alcohol, we probably have alcohol mafias like america did in the 20s
The problem is that the government nor police are cracking down on it. The American government didn't do it in the 20s either, which is a major reason why the lifting of the ban was done so easily in the US.

As an economic hub, Gwadar would be strictly controlled, it's police force would be paid and trained extremely well, and it's forces would have an incentive to crack down on such activity.

Basically, being an economic hub would set it apart from the rest of Pakistan.
 
@qamar1990

Here is a journal article :P
I am gonna go all science and morals on ya! :D

Ways of regulating one's drinking: a factor analysis of a Finnish general population sample.
Huhtanen P1, Raitasalo K.
Author information

Abstract
INTRODUCTION AND AIMS:
This article studies the various ways of regulating drinking used by Finns and how these vary between men and women, and in different groups of age, educational attainment and alcohol consumption.

DESIGN AND METHODS:
The data consist of a cross-section of survey data collected in Finland in 2005. The response rate was 53%. The analysis was restricted to respondents who had used alcohol in the last 12 months and were between 15 and 71 years of age (n = 1013). A factor analysis was performed to discover underlying dimensions in the ways of regulation. In order to study the relationship between the ways of regulation and drinking habits, correlations and regression analyses were used.

RESULTS:
The ways of regulating one's drinking extracted to three factors which were named self-control, social control and external control. Self-control was the most common way of regulation. Stronger reliance on external control of drinking increased the probability of heavy alcohol use.

DISCUSSION AND CONCLUSIONS:
These survey results indicate that external control of drinking, for example the restriction of availability of alcohol, could have a greater impact on heavy drinking than on moderate drinking.

© 2012 Australasian Professional Society on Alcohol and other Drugs.

Ways of regulating one's drinking: a factor... [Drug Alcohol Rev. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

doesn't prove anything.
Proves people are aware of the harm and are trying to take a U-turn while you are rushing towards it...
 
The problem is that the government nor police are cracking down on it. The American government didn't do it in the 20s either, which is a major reason why the lifting of the ban was done so easily in the US.
As an economic hub, Gwadar would be strictly controlled, it's police force would be paid and trained extremely well, and it's forces would have an incentive to crack down on such activity.
Basically, being an economic hub would set it apart from the rest of Pakistan.

Read my post above. Dude wants to have strip clubs and dollhouses in Gwadar.
 
The problem is that the government nor police are cracking down on it. The American government didn't do it in the 20s either, which is a major reason why the lifting of the ban was done so easily in the US.

As an economic hub, Gwadar would be strictly controlled, it's police force would be paid and trained extremely well, and it's forces would have an incentive to crack down on such activity.

Basically, being an economic hub would set it apart from the rest of Pakistan.
no actually the americans tried to enforce the prohibition quite well, they use to go look for speakeasies and bootleggers ect.
they lifted the ban because it created too much crime by banning it.
 
Now lets get back to what you said. Looks like you are promoting sex tourism in Gwadar in the name of economic progress and liberalism.

Do You know that Sexual relations between two consenting adults was not a crime in Pakistan before 1979 ? And then began "our journey back to the stone age" ... Thanks to Zia sahib
 

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