Gwadar port to be operational by year end :Chinese official

[RAMPAGE]

Has anyone ever presented an analysis of what might go through Gawadar, and the economic feasibility thereof?

Not that I'm aware of.

 

[VCheng]

Not that I'm aware of.

Exactly. All we have are 100% BS claims. $70 billion? BS. A quarter of Chinese trade in a decade? BS. Oil security? BS. And so on.

 

[RAMPAGE]

not exactly .... there are so many conflicting reports .... plus it require in depth knowledge of Chinese Economy specially to analysis the requirements of every Industrial sector of China & I should admit that I don't possess any such knowledge .... but as a Pakistani I think we should target at least 1/5 or the quarter of total foreign trade of China at the end of first decade of operation of Gwadar port ....

Alright. What percentage of that cargo's cost do you expect to be paid as transit fees to Pakistan?

 

[volatile]

All the more reason to be skeptical about these claims too.

fact is no one is willing to give us, lend us ,ready to invest in us .

 

[HRK]

Alright. What percentage of that cargo's cost do you expect to be paid as transit fees to Pakistan?

even this question require some specific study related to transit Cargo of China therefore can not quote the exact figure, but just to have an estimate we can use fee & charges incurred for Afghan transit trade which according to one study vary from PKR 100K to 150K per ton of transit cargo ....

 

[VCheng]

fact is no one is willing to give us, lend us ,ready to invest in us .

Oh hush! Please read a few threads on PDF by the likes of Riaz Haq and others, and all will be well.

 

[A.M.]

That's great, but a million tons of what exactly for 2017 to go through Gawadar?

I'm assuming you're being facetious again.

It'll mostly be Chinese produced goods in transit to other parts of the world. The entire idea of CPEC is to support the western underdeveloped part of China.

What is in it for Pakistan? A danda up the military's and politicians behind to keep Baluchistan relatively safe and the electricity projects around the country. The roads and hubs will be of a long term benefit.

 

[Abingdonboy]

well you learn dont you. at a point you find somthing intresting then lose interest in it. when you said easy jet i thought you may take it back, heck since you were their you may as well throw ryanair in there too.
if your single go for virgin, and may i say you wont be a virgin after a while
look at the uniform.

Haha sir

I didn't need any more motivation to become a pilot

 

[Blue Marlin]

Haha sir

I didn't need any more motivation to become a pilot

its not motivation, more as one of the unofficial perks of the job.

you dont need motivation. all you need to do is go to an airshow so its more inspiration than anything else.

 

[Abingdonboy]

you dont need motivation. all you need to do is go to an airshow so its more inspiration than anything else.

True true, just looking at regular flights overhead everyday is inspiring to me.

 

[RAMPAGE]

.A quarter of Chinese trade in a decade? BS.

So what would be your estimate? In tons?

 

[VCheng]

So what would be your estimate? In tons?

For Chinese goods, Gawadar is simply not an economically feasible route. At all.

 

[Zain Malik]

Analysis: Chabahar-Gwadar port contest does not end in a tie ...

PHOTO: REUTERS

In an ideal world, India’s partnership with Iran in Chabahar completes its strategic goal of encircling Pakistan, as the port’s development aims to bypass her in Afghanistan. Even Afghanistan’s CEO Abdullah Adbullah shares former Afghan president Hamid Karzai’ ambition of forging deeper ties with Delhi to lessen dependence on Islamabad.

Gwadar port to be operational by 2017: Chinese official

Chabahar port plans
Though both countries signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) on development of the port in May 2014, there is little to report about progress on the ground. As per the MoU, the Chabahar port will be used to ship crude oil and urea. India aspires to set up a multi-purpose cargo and container terminal besides petrochemical and fertilizer plants.

Last year, India allocated mere $150 million for work on the Iranian port situated 72km west of Gwadar harbour while core issues, such as land allocation for its special economic zone (SEZ), face teething problems. With sanctions recently lifted, India is promising the moon and beyond to Tehran in its bid to maximise benefits of the project.

Last week, the Indian petroleum minister wooed Iran by projecting likely investment of the private sector of up to $20 billion. Delhi has expressed interest in setting up an LNG plant and a gas cracker too. Unlike the case of China in Gwadar, the Indian official was merely promising what the private sector can do given the enabling conditions.

‘Gwadar will emerge as key shipping point’

Many ambitious proposals made by the Persians and the Indians are too nascent for investment to be pledged and deadlines to be set. Though both sides don’t lack commitment, tricky issues of competitive pricing and tariffs require more than political will. Some reports suggest that India has been offered gas at a cheaper rate of $2.95 per mmBtu but Delhi isn’t happy still. Be it Tehran or Delhi, bureaucracies remain lousy and old-fashioned, even in the absence of UN sanctions.

Is it a win for South Asia?
India wants to grab Chabahar but without a clear plan about its utility. The wish-list is recent and evolving. The bigger questions of feasibility of logistical linkages still remain unanswered. Like Pakistan and India, Iran too is competing for the Afghan market and reconstruction opportunities. The same holds ground regarding trade and services for Central Asian republics. The sanction may have gone but financial liquidity is not there yet. The road network and rail link vital to connect Chabahar to Central Asian states are capital intensive and time-consuming projects. The billion-dollar question here is whether India will come forward like China has, and will the Persians accept it?

In the case of China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, no such hiccups exist. Even a change in Islamabad’s power circles in the wake of Panama Papers won’t impede ventures associated with the Chinese corridor.

Sink or swim?
Meanwhile, the Gwadar project has been vigorously pursued by Pakistan and China alike. Balochistan government and security forces have employed political resources and tactical measures alike to impose the state’s writ. With the arrest of senior level Indian naval spy, Islamabad may not treat southern Balochistan as its outpost, which was the case for decades.

Many analysts believe India has greater interest in Chabahar serving as a base for its blue water navy than a harbinger of cross-Central Asia trade. In the same vein, numerous Chinese observers foresee Gwadar port to be as much its economic hub as a strategic naval outpost.

Notwithstanding, Iran has its own share of problems in the predominantly Sunni and marginalised Sistan-Balochistan region. In an unprecedented move, Ayatollah’s praetorian guards are holding full-dress drills with its latest weaponry near Pakistan border. Bypassing the political government, the Revolutionary Guards commanders have been hurling veiled threats to Pakistan. For post-sanction theocratic states, balancing between economic ambitions and strategic aspirations is a tall order. China, for that matter, won’t be pleased over such overture for India is not a bigger investor in Iran than her.

Gwadar residents voice concerns over CPEC benefits

India’s clandestine activities in Southeastern Iran and Tehran’s frustration over Pakistan’s exposure of Indian designs against the country have a lot to do with the mess in Chabahar. Earlier this year, Iranian ambassador publically warned the Indian government for lack of investment in the port.

Things may have paced up a bit between Tehran and Delhi more recently; there are many a slip between the cup and the lips. However, Islamabad has little time to waste in clearing mess in Makran region and Balochistan. Only climate change isn’t to be blamed for mounting temperature of the Arabian Sea.

 

[Providence]

If by giving that 10m is in his interest too, then their is very little to be questioning his intent

Err... bro something might be in the interest of both. But remember this is exports we are talking about. So, unless the chinese tell you the destination country of the claimed products, the potential profits would just be empty claims which politicians make running upto the elections !

 

[CHD]

Err... bro something might be in the interest of both. But remember this is exports we are talking about. So, unless the chinese tell you the destination country of the claimed products, the potential profits would just be empty claims which politicians make running upto the elections !

They are building roads, power plants, industrial parks and infrastructures.And all of these are already started and some are near completion, so i dont think these are empty claims.
Pakistan need energy and infrastructure and if chinese can provide these to us we wont need anything else.We have enough manpower/resources to do wonders