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Gwadar Port has potential to turn Pakistan into ‘maritime power’

What is that Gwadar does not have the potential to change?

But the question is, are our best of the best, the elite of the 180+ million people (policy makers, law makers and politicians) sincerely and honestly working for the country?

The generation after 70-80 years from now will indeed curse us using all the possible bad words because we were their predecessors.
 
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We have an accountant in charge of the exchequer, what kind of backward nation does that?

Hello excuse me I have no problem with rest of your post but please don't degrade Chartered Accountants. There are lots of them who are serving this nation very well here in Pakistan and abroad. I would request to edit your post and make it more specific to personal attributes of Finance Minister rather than his profession. (Your remark is an insult to me and Institute of Chartered Accountants of Pakistan).


Thanks.:)
 
Ports so not make maritime powers . Navies do.

Singapore has among the busiest ports but is no where near a maritime power.
 
I think Man will walk on Mars before Gawadar is fully operational.

So ya let's keep hoping and dreaming. and a Maritime power needs a blue water navy. Which Pakistan cannot have.

So ya a business hub it might make Pakistan IF and WHEN ready but a maritime power no sir.
 
Ports so not make maritime powers . Navies do.

Singapore has among the busiest ports but is no where near a maritime power.
Singapore is City State unlike Pakistan or India as India have more then Five Large Ports throughout their Vast Coastline Pakistan only have two ports and if we go to the level of Defence per Port of both India and Pakistan then its not very Large Difference right now and in ase of Emergence of Gawadar Pakistan would Expand its Navy in Large Scale once Gawadar Port started providing Pakistan Revenues and after that the Gawadar would have potential to become Maritime Power. In the mean time Gawadar can Fulfill its purpose to deny Navy Blockade of India in case of War.
 
Singapore is City State unlike Pakistan or India as India have more then Five Large Ports throughout their Vast Coastline Pakistan only have two ports and if we go to the level of Defence per Port of both India and Pakistan then its not very Large Difference right now and in ase of Emergence of Gawadar Pakistan would Expand its Navy in Large Scale once Gawadar Port started providing Pakistan Revenues and after that the Gawadar would have potential to become Maritime Power. In the mean time Gawadar can Fulfill its purpose to deny Navy Blockade of India in case of War.

None of all this makes a ' maritime power'.
 
I am Sorry..........., But this is now becoming very Boring...
 
I am Sorry..........., But this is now becoming very Boring...

Why exactly are you participating in this thread, if you find the current topic boring. This issue concerns Pakistan directly, because Gwadar is an important strategic location which would economically benefit Pakistan. The port will become operational during mid April, so progress and development is taking place.
 
Hello excuse me I have no problem with rest of your post but please don't degrade Chartered Accountants. There are lots of them who are serving this nation very well here in Pakistan and abroad. I would request to edit your post and make it more specific to personal attributes of Finance Minister rather than his profession. (Your remark is an insult to me and Institute of Chartered Accountants of Pakistan).


Thanks.:)

No, I'm not insulting accountants. I'm insulting whoever put an accountant in charge where an Economist/Finance expert is needed. I have only respect for accountants and people of any profession.

No other nation in the world would do such a thing. Think of this like putting a high ranking policeman in place of COAS. It's not going to work, for this job you need someone who specializes, it's simply not enough to have someone who's good with money and numbers.
 
I find it strange that some Pakistanis think that prosperity is achieved by building grand structures and projects all on their own. Metrobuses, x, y and z project. This will not suffice. When you take on a project, say the metrobus, you sit down, and ask the economic benefits and viability with budget, very first thing you consider, what will the metrobus bring apart from the novel idea of something new and exciting? Is it going to increase economic activity, efficiency? Will the local economy benefit? What is the opportunity cost, of both the money, time and other resources used in building, using and maintaining such a project. This is something I found, our politicians, no matter who they are can't seem to grasp, as if forcing down market prices to provide 'relief' to rather ridiculous demands will bring about actual, sustainable prosperity.

Every project we undertake must be done with a few things in mind, prosperity, profit, returns, viability and need. We can build billions of dollars worth of bullet trains between one village and the other. Does that fix our problems? Far from it, it's actually a massive waste of money and a waste of debt that the future consumer will have to pay off.

There are some terrible inefficiencies in projects, I know people always cite corruption, which is almost absolute destruction of funds, but inefficiency is harder spot and much, much harder to fix. I've always said, Pak politicians, even if their hearts were in the right place, they still would fail, they aren't competent in these matters. We have an accountant in charge of the exchequer, what kind of backward nation does that?

But on Gwadar, it's really what you make it, the Chinese wont fix underlying problems that might keep Gwadar from reaching it's full potential, throwing money at it, without real understanding won't fix anything either. This is something investors understand, so it's really no surprise that investors fled Pakistan as if it were a sinking ship.

Some very serious thought needs to be given to efficiency, sustainability, and optimum management of a such a simple economy. And yes, Pakistan's economic troubles aren't nearly as complicated as they seem, some very small steps, some very painful steps need to be taken to ensure prosperity in the long run. But nothing is happening, and the opposition gives me no hope either, clogging the capital for weeks on end, investors flee, markets react poorly, economic activity severely blocked, and then go on demanding some artificial and unsustainable form of relief for the poorest, that too to be paid off in debt.

It's a hopeless situation with such simple solutions.

Great post :enjoy::enjoy:
 
The upper and middle class are too busy fighting each other that in fact, Pakistan may end up needing some sort of knight in shining armor to take control of the situation. Mind you, I'm not taking about any sort of coup.

Aren't you part of the upper or middle class?
Come on, this feeling of helplessness and weakness will get us no where. We ourselves could be the knight in shining armor. All we need to do is get the initiative.
 
No, I'm not insulting accountants. I'm insulting whoever put an accountant in charge where an Economist/Finance expert is needed. I have only respect for accountants and people of any profession.

No other nation in the world would do such a thing. Think of this like putting a high ranking policeman in place of COAS. It's not going to work, for this job you need someone who specializes, it's simply not enough to have someone who's good with money and numbers.

Bro who is better at Finance than Chartered Accountants, just go through the subjects CAs have to study and pass exams before qualifying as a CA. You are mistaken if you think CAs are limited to numbers and money only. And by the way CAs have more diverse knowledge of different subjects than an economist. Just a hint

  • Strategic Financial Management
  • Cost Management and Accounting
  • Taxation Laws
  • Corporate Laws
  • Auditing
  • Financial Accounting & Reporting
  • Business Management
  • Information Technology Audit and Internal Controls
Are few of the subjects a CA has to master and pass.
 
Aren't you part of the upper or middle class?
Come on, this feeling of helplessness and weakness will get us no where. We ourselves could be the knight in shining armor. All we need to do is get the initiative.
Middle? yes, upper middle? No.

I'm not talking out of hopelessness, it is simply reality. Pakistan will endure, and it is only a matter of time before the economy is back to where it needs to be, but without a proper leadership in Pakistan, it is going to take a long long time.
 
Bro who is better at Finance than Chartered Accountants, just go through the subjects CAs have to study and pass exams before qualifying as a CA. You are mistaken if you think CAs are limited to numbers and money only. And by the way CAs have more diverse knowledge of different subjects than an economist. Just a hint

  • Strategic Financial Management
  • Cost Management and Accounting
  • Taxation Laws
  • Corporate Laws
  • Auditing
  • Financial Accounting & Reporting
  • Business Management
  • Information Technology Audit and Internal Controls
Are few of the subjects a CA has to master and pass.

This is no good for his position. Do you know the difference between what is studied in economics and what is in accountancy? They're completely, completely different fields, one not qualified to do the other's job. And in Ishaq Dar's case he is if we go solely by his field and area of experience, unqualified for the role.

These are hugely separate fields.

For example, you as a chartered accountant, can you, by what you've studied give me a critique or a sound analysis of Pakistan's current monetary policy and outlook in 2015 on this subject given current economic conditions and forecasts? And I mean in depth, like that which is expected of any economics graduate.
 
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