Gunmen attack Saudi consulate car in Karachi, one Saudi dead

[53fd]

which country is not responsible for the problems in Pakistan today?......if this forum is considered...except china everyother country creates problem in Pakistan.....is this true? no...sadly it is Pakistan that is responsible for its own misery ....you guys just dont accept that....when you do you will be ale to solve them....till then all you do is blame everyone nd nothing happens

No, it is the extremist Sunni militancy that has caused problems for Pakistan; which mainly comes from Saudi Arabia, other Arab & a few African countries. Countries like Iran, Turkey, China & plenty of others with no extremist Sunni militancy have not caused problems for Pakistan.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Was it not Saudi Arabia that provided its Salafi ideology when the Madrassahs were created in the 80s, for the indoctrination/'conversion' of the people into Mujahideens? It was Saudi Arabia that gave the ideological ammunition for the formation of the Mujahideen, & all the terrorist groups targeting Pakistan were formed from the Mujahideen. So yes, Saudi Arabia is responsible for all the problems inside Pakistan & Afghanistan today, as it formed the Mujahideen.

And the guns used in the attack were probably made in Austria.

But ensuring law and order is Pakistan's responsibility, not Austria's and ensuring education standards is a Pakistani responsibility, not Saudia's.

There's a reason Pakistan is an independent country, that it enjoys freedom and is responsible for its conduct and actions.

 

[EjazR]

Why should the Saudi government put their own people at risk when Pakistani authorities are more than happy to sell Pakistani lives for the right price?

Pakistan has become the source of cheap cannon fodder for the Arab governments.

Well that's Pakistan's problem then. The same can be said about the US.

Besides, the issue here is does the Saudi Govt. support Al Qaeda? The answer is quite emphatically no. There might be individuals who are providing support on the sly - non-state actors if you will - but looking at SAG actions its quite clear that AQ is being tackled very effectively by the Saudis both militarily and ideologically.

 

[somebozo]

This is really sad and all finger point to either CIA which is irritant of natrually stronger ties between Pakistan and KSA and supported to being in power bozos like zardari. Or may be Iran out of its revenger for defeat in Bahrain where many Pakistan ex-servicement enlisted for peacekeeping upon saudi request.

OBL was killed by USA so the revenge should be exacted on Pakistan.
Are we seeing the bigger picture here?> the AQ daemons are trying to establish that Pakistan betrayed them from its security commitment..what a bunch of nonsense...if USA killed OBL..then its american targets which should be attacked..not Saudi or Pakistani!
Osama = CIA agent
TTP = CIA Agent

 

[EjazR]

Was it not Saudi Arabia that provided its Salafi ideology when the Madrassahs were created in the 80s, for the indoctrination/'conversion' of the people into Mujahideens? It was Saudi Arabia that gave the ideological ammunition for the formation of the Mujahideen, & all the terrorist groups targeting Pakistan were formed from the Mujahideen. So yes, Saudi Arabia is responsible for all the problems inside Pakistan & Afghanistan today, as it formed the Mujahideen. Most AQ terrorists targeting Pakistan today are Arabs.

The Salafi school of thought which might be conservative and backward to many; but its not the root cause of terrorist attacks and suicide bombings per se.

Like I have mentioned before, sheikh Bin baaz - an influential Wahabbi scholar declared suicide bombings haram back in the 1980s even if it were used against Israelis. Interestingly it was Ayatollah Khomenie of Iran that actually approved suicide bombing making Hizbullah the first muslim group to use the tactic. Ofcourse Iranians also used suicide bombings against Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war.

Pakistan started funding Afghan rebels back in the 70s under Bhutto and the Army/ISI decided to back Islamists militants rather than more secular nationalists in Afghanistan. And then funded the same militants to attack Kashmir. Saudi Arabia is definitely responsible for using Islam for political purposes, just like Pakistan has done too and the US did to a smaller extent. That is why the Saudis got the blowback as well and suffered more deaths than Americans who also were in a way recipient of a blowback on 9/11. But the American and Saudis have tackled the threat head on.

The question is what now? Will Pakistan mend its ways like the Saudis did and tackle all militant groups militarily including anti-India groups as well as tackle them ideologically. Or will continue to maintain the good/bad differentiation that is surely past its use by date.

 

[53fd]

The Salafi school of thought which might be conservative and backward to many; but its not the root cause of terrorist attacks and suicide bombings per se.

Like I have mentioned before, sheikh Bin baaz - an influential Wahabbi scholar declared suicide bombings haram back in the 1980s even if it were used against Israelis. Interestingly it was Ayatollah Khomenie of Iran that actually approved suicide bombing making Hizbullah the first muslim group to use the tactic. Ofcourse Iranians also used suicide bombings against Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war.

Salafi extremism & terrorism in recent times:

The Middle Ground: Egypt Terrorism Watch: The Salafis in Egypt's Closet

USA emphatic support to Saudi Arabia is music to AlQaedas ears - North Cyprus

Defeating Salafism and Wahhabism the Right way :: M. Zuhdi Jasser

"...Accurately labeling the nature of Salafi-jihadist doctrine as a religious ideology is not merely an exercise in academic theorizing, but has important policy implications. Most importantly, it should be obvious that the United States and its allies are not facing a religion — Islam — as their main enemy, but an ideology, namely the Salafi-jihad. The fact that the Salafi-jihad is no ordinary secular ideology, but a religious one, however, is of additional significance because it renders the attempt to challenge that ideology far more complex. Salafi-jihadists employ religious rhetoric and symbols to advance their cause. Although they selectively pick from the Islamic tradition only those elements that advance their narrow agenda, they nevertheless draw from the same religious sources that inform the lives and practices of more than a billion other Muslims. It is for that reason that ordinary Muslims — not to speak of non-Muslims — find it particularly difficult and dangerous to challenge Salafi-jihadists without running the risk of being accused of targeting Islam as a whole."

The Salafi-Jihad as a Religious Ideology - Harvard - Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs

Pakistan started funding Afghan rebels back in the 70s under Bhutto and the Army/ISI decided to back Islamists militants rather than more secular nationalists in Afghanistan. And then funded the same militants to attack Kashmir. Saudi Arabia is definitely responsible for using Islam for political purposes, just like Pakistan has done too and the US did to a smaller extent. That is why the Saudis got the blowback as well and suffered more deaths than Americans who also were in a way recipient of a blowback on 9/11. But the American and Saudis have tackled the threat head on.

The question is what now? Will Pakistan mend its ways like the Saudis did and tackle all militant groups militarily including anti-India groups as well as tackle them ideologically. Or will continue to maintain the good/bad differentiation that is surely past its use by date.

In the face of Daoud Khan's virtual obsession with the Pashtunistan issue, all other foreign policy issues faded in importance. In 1953 and 1954, Daoud applied more of his time-honored techniques to press the Pashunistan issue, such as payments to tribesmen on both sides of the border to subvert the Pakistani government as well as dissemination of hostile propaganda. It was the Afghanistan government that sent Afghan Lashkrs into Bajaur first in the early 60s that wanted to form 'Pashtunistan', but they were defeated by the tribals in Bajaur. Pakistan did the same to them later in the 70s, & then India joined in by strengthening the Soviet installed puppet governments, interfering in the matters of Afghanistan. Pakistan never supported religious extremists inside Afghanistan prior to the Mujahideen in the 80s, that is completely false & wrong.

 

[53fd]

The Salafi school of thought which might be conservative and backward to many; but its not the root cause of terrorist attacks and suicide bombings per se.

Like I have mentioned before, sheikh Bin baaz - an influential Wahabbi scholar declared suicide bombings haram back in the 1980s even if it were used against Israelis. Interestingly it was Ayatollah Khomenie of Iran that actually approved suicide bombing making Hizbullah the first muslim group to use the tactic. Ofcourse Iranians also used suicide bombings against Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war.

Pakistan started funding Afghan rebels back in the 70s under Bhutto and the Army/ISI decided to back Islamists militants rather than more secular nationalists in Afghanistan. And then funded the same militants to attack Kashmir. Saudi Arabia is definitely responsible for using Islam for political purposes, just like Pakistan has done too and the US did to a smaller extent. That is why the Saudis got the blowback as well and suffered more deaths than Americans who also were in a way recipient of a blowback on 9/11. But the American and Saudis have tackled the threat head on.

The question is what now? Will Pakistan mend its ways like the Saudis did and tackle all militant groups militarily including anti-India groups as well as tackle them ideologically. Or will continue to maintain the good/bad differentiation that is surely past its use by date.

Algerian Salafist Group for Call and Combat: A Dossier

The Jamestown Foundation: The Algerian Salafist Group for Call and Combat: A Dossier


Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC)


1998 Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (Groupe Salafiste
pour la Prédication et le Combat, also 'Group for Call and
Combat') founded.
12 Nov 2002 Ambush of a group of Algerian soldiers. 9 dead, 12 wounded.
Feb 2003 32 European tourists are kidnapped. 1 dead, 17 hostages rescued by
Algerian troops on 13 May 2003, and 14 released in Aug 2003.
12 Feb 2004 Near Tighremt, Algeria, Islamic extremists ambushed a police
patrol, killing 7 police officers and wounding three others.
Oct 2003 Announced alignment with al-Qaeda and Taliban leader Mullah Omar.
7 Apr 2005 In Tablat, Blida Province, Algeria, armed assailants fired on five
vehicles at a fake road block, killing 13 civilians, wounding
one other.
Sep 2006 Announces it has joined Al-Qaeda.
15 Oct 2006 In Sidi Medjahed, Ain Defla, Algeria, assailants attacked and
killed eight private security guards.
24 Jan 2007 Group officially changed its name to the "Al-Qaeda Organization
in the Islamic Maghreb.

Spiritual Leader
1998 - 17 Jan 2006 Ahmed Abou al-Baraa (Ahmed Zarabib) (b. 19.. - d. 2006)

Leaders
1998 - af.2001 Hassan Hattab (b. 1967)
by 2003 - 20 Jun 2004 Nabil Sahraoui (b. 19.. - d. 2004)
2004 - Abou Mossab Abdelouadoud (b. 1970)
"Abdel Malik Daroqedel"


Locations: Algeria, Chad, Libya, Mauritania, Mali, Morocco, Niger
Strength: 300 est.

Terrorist Organizations

Al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[53fd]

The Salafi school of thought which might be conservative and backward to many; but its not the root cause of terrorist attacks and suicide bombings per se.

Like I have mentioned before, sheikh Bin baaz - an influential Wahabbi scholar declared suicide bombings haram back in the 1980s even if it were used against Israelis. Interestingly it was Ayatollah Khomenie of Iran that actually approved suicide bombing making Hizbullah the first muslim group to use the tactic. Ofcourse Iranians also used suicide bombings against Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war.

Pakistan started funding Afghan rebels back in the 70s under Bhutto and the Army/ISI decided to back Islamists militants rather than more secular nationalists in Afghanistan. And then funded the same militants to attack Kashmir. Saudi Arabia is definitely responsible for using Islam for political purposes, just like Pakistan has done too and the US did to a smaller extent. That is why the Saudis got the blowback as well and suffered more deaths than Americans who also were in a way recipient of a blowback on 9/11. But the American and Saudis have tackled the threat head on.

The question is what now? Will Pakistan mend its ways like the Saudis did and tackle all militant groups militarily including anti-India groups as well as tackle them ideologically. Or will continue to maintain the good/bad differentiation that is surely past its use by date.

Prominent Salafi leaders such as Safar Al-Hawali are renowned for endorsing terrorism.

Safar Al-Hawali - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Salafist jihadism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Takfir wal-Hijra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia