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That's why I said US can magically turn people into criminals, no matter where they are from. you should ask why people become criminals once they live in US. As for whether China has crimes, of course, every country has crimes, but US pushed it to a new different level.

Well for the Chinese nationals in question they were already Chinese mafia criminals. So now we have to ask why one Chinese national turned into a mass murderer of those mafia members. Maybe they are too protected in China to be reached and so when they were in Oklahoma they were easier targets.
 
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Well for the Chinese nationals in question they were already Chinese mafia criminals. So now we have to ask why one Chinese national turned into a mass murderer of those mafia members. Maybe they are too protected in China to be reached and so when they were in Oklahoma they were easier targets.
Why he didn't kill in China and started killing frenzy in US? Not only for so called mafias, why everyone is much likely to become a murderer once they are in US?
 
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Why he didn't kill in China and started killing frenzy in US? Not only for so called mafias, why everyone is much likely to become a murderer once they are in US?

If everybody was a murderer the population would be close to zero.

The question is why are Chinese mafia members only the victims of mass murder by Chinese nationals outside of China. There is obviously some kind of protection going on.
 
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If everybody was a murderer the population would be close to zero.

The question is why are Chinese mafia members only the victims of mass murder by Chinese nationals outside of China. There is obviously some kind of protection going on.
If someone knows if they commit a crime in a place he will be severely punished, he will think twice before doing it. this is crime prevention, not protection. it explains why crime rate is so low in China and no one worry about the personal safety no matter how late they go out to take a walk, even for women. Will you say the same about US?
 
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If someone knows if they commit a crime in a place he will be severely punished, he will think twice before doing it. this is crime prevention, not protection. it explains why crime rate is so low in China and no one worry about the personal safety no matter how late they go out to take a walk, even for women. Will you say the same about US?

Hmm...I see. China has enacted such severe punishment for crimes that the population doesn't dare do anything criminal. However once they step outside the border their natural tendencies for crime take over and they think nothing of doing a mass-murder since they feel foreign countries won't deal with them as strictly.

I'll remember that the next time I visit some country with "laxer laws" than the US. Murder spree here I come! So many missed opportunities in the past when i was wasting my time doing touristy stuff.
 
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Hmm...I see. China has enacted such severe punishment for crimes that the population doesn't dare do anything criminal. However once they step outside the border their natural tendencies for crime take over and they think nothing of doing a mass-murder since they feel foreign countries won't deal with them as strictly.

I'll remember that the next time I visit some country with "laxer laws" than the US. Murder spree here I come! So many missed opportunities in the past when i was wasting my time doing touristy stuff.
Kind of true, not only Chinese, US turns people from all countries into criminals, guns turn people into criminals, even teenagers shoot classmates, a fist fight in China could turn out to be a massacre in US.
 
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Kind of true, not only Chinese, US turns people from all countries into criminals, guns turn people into criminals, even teenagers shoot classmates, a fist fight in China could turn out to be a massacre in US.

Well the Chinese nationals killed by that guy were already Chinese mafia gang members so they were already criminals. It is suspected he is also a Chinese mafia member. So its not like they were all school teachers back in China who after flying here decided to suddenly become criminals.

Plus if you see the pictures of some of the most violent US prisoners many have South American gang tattoos. They jumped the border while they already were gang members.

This just shows how gangs protected in their own countries spread out across international borders to cause trouble in other countries.

As for fist fights turning violent yes I think that can be attributed to Liberals enacting "slap on the wrist" sentences due to public outcry about "unfair sentencing" of certain demographics as youngsters leading to their entire future job prospects being bleak when most companies won't hire people with criminal records.
 
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Hmm...I see. China has enacted such severe punishment for crimes that the population doesn't dare do anything criminal. However once they step outside the border their natural tendencies for crime take over and they think nothing of doing a mass-murder since they feel foreign countries won't deal with them as strictly.

I'll remember that the next time I visit some country with "laxer laws" than the US. Murder spree here I come! So many missed opportunities in the past when i was wasting my time doing touristy stuff.
Precisely, If I go USA. I will buy tons of AR-15 and mass shooting. :enjoy: It so fun in USA, just like a jungle. But in China, I will be a good boy. :lol:
 
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Precisely, If I go USA. I will buy tons of AR-15 and mass shooting. :enjoy: It so fun in USA, just like a jungle. But in China, I will be a good boy. :lol:

No, this is due to people with a low morality upbringing not the severity of the laws. Just because country X only has a penalty of Y for crime Z doesn't mean I should be more inclined to do it.
 
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No, this is due to people with a low morality upbringing not the severity of the laws. Just because country X only has a penalty of Y for crime Z doesn't mean I should be more inclined to do it.
As if American has morality.... Ask those US soldiers when they go overseas tour. :enjoy:
You are telling me, this is US upbringing? Why not remove all laws and let morality and human conscience take it course. And see what hell will USA turn into. You are very naïve.

 
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As if American has morality.... Ask those US soldiers when they go overseas tour. :enjoy:
You are telling me, this is US upbringing? Why not remove all laws and let morality and human conscience take it course. And see what hell will USA turn into. You are very naïve.


Sgt. Calvin Gibbs got a life sentence in a military prison.
 
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Study: U.S. gun death rates hit highest levels in decades​

By MIKE STOBBE
yesterday


FILE - A collection of illegal guns is displayed during a gun buyback event, Saturday May 22, 2021 in the Brooklyn borough of New York. Individuals received pre-paid card payments of $25 up to $250 for firearms - with a bonus iPad for certain handguns or assault rifles, at the no-questions-asked event, co-sponsored by state and county attorney generals and the NYPD. According to a study published by JAMA Network Open on Tuesday, Nov. 29, 2022, the U.S. gun death rate in 2021 hit its highest mark in nearly three decades, and the rate among women has been growing faster than that of men. (AP Photo/Bebeto Matthews, File)

FILE - A collection of illegal guns is displayed during a gun buyback event, Saturday May 22, 2021 in the Brooklyn borough of New York. Individuals received pre-paid card payments of $25 up to $250 for firearms - with a bonus iPad for certain handguns or assault rifles, at the no-questions-asked event, co-sponsored by state and county attorney generals and the NYPD. According to a study published by JAMA Network Open on Tuesday, Nov. 29, 2022, the U.S. gun death rate in 2021 hit its highest mark in nearly three decades, and the rate among women has been growing faster than that of men. (AP Photo/Bebeto Matthews, File)

NEW YORK (AP) — The U.S. gun death rate last year hit its highest mark in nearly three decades, and the rate among women has been growing faster than that of men, according to study published Tuesday.

The increase among women — most dramatically, in Black women — is playing a tragic and under-recognized role in a tally that skews overwhelmingly male, the researchers said.

“Women can get lost in the discussion because so many of the fatalities are men,” said one the authors, Dr. Eric Fleegler of Harvard Medical School.

Among Black women, the rate of firearm-related homicides more than tripled since 2010, and the rate of gun-related suicides more than doubled since 2015, Fleegler and his co-authors wrote in the paper published by JAMA Network Open.

The research is one of the most comprehensive analyses of U.S. gun deaths in years, said David Hemenway, director of the Harvard University’s Injury Control Research Center.

In October, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released data on U.S. firearm deaths last year, counting more than 47,000 — the most in at least 40 years.
The U.S. population is growing, but researchers say the rate of gun deaths has been getting worse, too. America’s gun-related homicide and suicide rates both rose 8% last year, each hitting levels not seen since the early 1990s.

In the new study, the researchers examined trends in firearm deaths since 1990. They found gun deaths began to steadily increase in 2005, but the rise accelerated recently, with a 20% jump from 2019 to 2021.

Why did gun deaths rise so dramatically during the COVID-19 pandemic? That’s “a straightforward question with probably a complicated answer that no one really knows the answer to,” said Fleegler, an emergency medicine physician at Boston Children’s Hospital.

Factors could include disruption of people’s work and personal lives, higher gun sales, stress, and mental health issues, experts said.

The researchers counted more than 1.1 million gun deaths over those 32 years — about the same as the number of American deaths attributed to COVID-19 in the last three years.

About 14% of those killed by guns were women, but the rate increase among them is more pronounced. There were about 7 gun deaths per 100,000 women last year, up from about 4 per 100,000 in 2010 — an increase of 71%. The comparable increase for men was 45%, the rate rising to about 26 per 100,000 from about 18 per 100,000 in 2010.
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For Black women, the firearm suicide rate rose from about 1.5 per 100,000 in 2015 to about 3 per 100,000 last year. Their homicide death rate last year was more than 18 per 100,000, compared with about 4 per 100,000 for Hispanic women and 2 per 100,000 for white women.

The highest homicide gun death rates continue to be in young Black men, at 142 per 100,000 for those in their early 20s. The highest gun suicide death rates are in white men in their early 80s, at 45 per 100,000, the researchers said.

In a commentary accompanying the study, three University of Michigan researchers said the paper confirmed racial and sexual differences in U.S. gun deaths and that homicide deaths are concentrated in cities and suicides are more common in rural areas.

“Firearm violence is a worsening problem in the United States,” and will require a range of efforts to control, they wrote.

 
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America’s gun epidemic is deadlier than ever, and there are vast disparities in who’s dying


By Deidre McPhillips, CNN
Updated 11:58 AM EST, Tue November 29, 2022

CNN —
Firearm deaths surged in the US during the Covid-19 pandemic, killing a record number of people in 2021. But as America’s gun epidemic gets worse, its burden is not equal.

A new study published Tuesday in JAMA Network Open analyzed firearm deaths over the past three decades – a total of more than 1 million lives lost since 1990. The researchers found that firearm mortality rates increased for most demographic groups in recent years – especially during the pandemic – and vast disparities persisted.

While recent data shows some familiar patterns, the sheer scale of the issue brings the United States to a “new moment in the history of firearm fatalities,” said Dr. Eric Fleegler, a pediatric emergency physician and researcher with Boston Children’s Hospital and Harvard Medical School and co-author of the study.

“At this moment in time, we have seen a dramatic increase that is really unparalleled,” he said. “During the time of the Covid pandemic, going from 2019 up to 2021, we’ve seen over a 25% increase in fatalities in two years alone. That has never happened.”

Overall, men are significantly more at risk. Nearly 86% of all firearm deaths since 1990 have been among men, according to the study, which used data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The researchers found that firearm homicides were highest among Black men, and firearm suicide rates were highest among senior White men.

Rates of firearm homicide for both men and women nearly doubled between 2014 and 2021, but men were still more than five times more likely to die than women. Rates of firearm suicide were also seven times higher among men than women in 2021, despite increasing suicide rates among women over time.

The racial disparities are even starker. The homicide rate among young Black men – 142 homicide deaths for every 100,000 Black men ages 20 to 24 – was nearly 10 times higher than the overall firearm death rate in the US in 2021.

Homicide rates among Black and Hispanic men were highest in the 20 to 24 age group. But for White men, the rate was highest in the 30 to 34 age group. When comparing these groups, the homicide rate was nearly four times higher among young Hispanic men compared with White men, and the homicide rate among young Black men was a staggering 22 times higher than among White men.

“When we think about bad disparities, we’re often thinking about a 20% increase, or a 50% increase. With infant mortality in the United States, when you look at Black infants versus White infants, there’s over a two-fold (difference in) mortality rate. And that is a huge number to think about,” Fleegler said. “And here we’re talking over 20-fold. These are orders of magnitude differences that are just worsening. And they demand that type of attention.”

A county-level analysis showed that firearm mortality shifted from the West to the South over time, as firearm homicide rates remained concentrated and growing in the South and firearm suicide rates spread more evenly across the country.

Urban areas had a higher burden of firearm mortality than rural areas, too.

There are two key factors driving community gun violence, says Jonathan Jay, an assistant professor at Boston University School of Public Health: disadvantage at the neighborhood level and exposure to gun violence at the individual level.

“Gun violence is most likely in spaces that show signs of physical disinvestment. Sometimes that looks like unkempt, vacant lots or abandoned houses that are boarded up, maybe a high density of liquor stores and a low density of healthy food options,” he said.

For Jay, who received a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the racial disparities in gun injuries among US youth, it’s not surprising that patterns in firearm fatality rates only got worse – because the pandemic only exacerbated existing disparities.

“It makes sense that the worst early impacts would be in neighborhoods that faced the highest disadvantage and impacts of segregation before the pandemic,” he said. “Some people have talked about it like a mystery as to why gun violence would stay high even as things change in the pandemic. I think one possible explanation is just that things – social conditions – haven’t changed that much.”

But also, the pandemic exposed people to lots of things that made them feel unsafe and may have made individuals more likely to feel like they needed to carry a weapon for protection, he said.

Mental health challenges grew throughout the pandemic and violence increased, but a separate analysis from researchers at Johns Hopkins University found that guns made those things significantly more deadly. Between 2019 and 2021, all of the increase in suicides and most of the increase in homicides was due to guns. The gun suicide rate increased 10% while the non-gun suicide rate decreased by 8%, and the gun homicide rate increased 45% while the non-gun homicide rate increased only 6%.

“What we’ve seen is that the economic and social stressors during Covid have exacerbated health disparities across the spectrum,” said Ari Davis, a policy adviser at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Center for Gun Violence Solutions.

“The same, same stressors – social isolation, cutting social services and support – are risk factors for violence. I think all those things contributed to a rise across the board, but disproportionately burdening those who are most vulnerable.”

The research published in Tuesday “confirmed much of what we already know,” researchers from the University of Michigan wrote in a related editorial – there’s a broad gender difference, an urban-rural divide, and racial disparities in firearm mortality rates in the US.

“This burden is not distributed equally, and recent increases in firearm mortality rates are most pronounced among the demographic groups and regions that were already among the most affected,” they wrote.

But the analysis helps identify high-risk groups that can benefit most from targeted interventions.

Dr. Christopher Rees, an emergency department physician at Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta, researcher at Emory University School of Medicine and co-author of the study, moved from Boston to Atlanta a little over a year ago. He said he’s cared for “far more” children who have been injured from firearms in Atlanta than he did in Boston – living out the trends he found in his research.

“Every single time I just think, ‘One, this is awful. Two, this is someone’s kid.’ And I immediately think about my two children at home. And then three, I think, ‘This didn’t have to happen, especially to a child,’ ” he said. “It is very personal each time.”


 
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