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And oh yeh the title is just too unfit for the piece not because Islamists as muse tried to bring in (unnecessarily) will be offended, but because the title does not match even 0.0 per cent what the write up says.

I think the title is very misplaced as well, but i think what Muse is trying to say is that labor workers who go to work for places like Saudi are happy and say 'Ajao Medina Chalo' or try to copy it in their slang English with 'Medina A Go go' sort of saying they are happy that they are going to a foreign country to work only to find out that they are treated as crap dirt when they get there.

nonetheless i agree that the title itself is fairly misleading, and the topic of concern is mostly workers working in the gulf region like Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Qatar etc than Saudi itself..
 
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There is a videoo of someone claiming he ripped apart a pregnant Mazloom - it needs your attention.

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no significant pledges have been made from the Gulf States.

I have read this many times. This people care so much about the Muslims worldwide but when the Muslims really need financial help they close the doors. Why is it so ?
 
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The time is near Inshallah when these holy lands will get free from the flth of these arrogant Arabs when Israel takes control of mideast Oil. They have the Iraqi oil now and making a pavement for Iran as well, and in order for Saudi to save themselves from Israel's aggression they are using Pakistan as a shield and feeding our corrupt leaders to make their devilish masters happy. The only country who has dragged Pakistan into this so called WoT is Saudi and the Sheikh's of UAE.
 
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The article makes no sense. The writer has amalgamated many things, trying to touch many topics in one single piece.
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Majority from India and Pakistan go to Gulf states for earning, no matter how much small a job they find atleast it is much rewarding in terms of money as compared to their native land. They have no other choice. The situation in their own countries regarding employment is not that good either.


The write has little to do with racism of Arabs rather it emphasises more on the bad condition of labourers from outside countries in the Gulf States.

And oh yeh the title is just too unfit for the piece not because Islamists as muse tried to bring in (unnecessarily) will be offended, but because the title does not match even 0.0 per cent what the write up says.

I sense some exaggeration as well! She is trying to label all Arabs as being like this, but neglects the fact that most Arabs and Pakistanis are peaceful and friendly to each other!

There are bad eggs in every community!

Like I said earlier, when I visited Dubai, I didn't experience racism!

But it beats me how these secularists love everything European/Western, when Europe is the most racist continent in the world!
 
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There are bad eggs in every community!

Like I said earlier, when I visited Dubai, I didn't experience racism!

You went to dubai on a nice vacation to spend money and come back home not to work in a construction yard with other sweaty Pakistani's. 6% of Dubai's GDP comes from oil the rest comes from Tourism and its financial sector. They don't say anything to tourists like yourself.. but if you were to go as a labour worker your world would be completely different

But it beats me how these secularists love everything European/Western, when Europe is the most racist continent in the world!

Don't play the Race Card.. its a very weak argument on your behalf! The word racsim is thrown like a one dollar bill now adays by religous people, Its an embarrasment to those who have been affected by 'Genuine' racism, people who have been oppressed simply because of the color of their skin.

Secularim/Religon has NOTHING to do with Race what so ever, learn to differentiate and maybe you'll find your answer and if you dont mind me asking just exactly how many times have you been Oppressed in Canada since i see a Canadian flag on your avatar?
 
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You went to dubai on a nice vacation to spend money and come back home not to work in a construction yard with other sweaty Pakistani's. 6% of Dubai's GDP comes from oil the rest comes from Tourism and its financial sector. They don't say anything to tourists like yourself.. but if you were to go as a labour worker your world would be completely different

I wasn't even talking about that! If you read my previous comments, I clearly said that this racism and discrimination towards Pakistanis and other Non-Arab Muslims should be countered! Thanks for the irrelevance!

Don't play the Race Card.. its a very weak argument on your behalf! The word racsim is thrown like a one dollar bill now adays by religous people, Its an embarrasment to those who have been affected by 'Genuine' racism, people who have been oppressed simply because of the color of their skin.

Secularim/Religon has NOTHING to do with Race what so ever, learn to differentiate and maybe you'll find your answer and if you dont mind me asking just exactly how many times have you been Oppressed in Canada since i see a Canadian flag on your avatar?

Still has nothing to do with the point I was making! And Yes, Europe has the highest amount of racism, and it's growing! Don't get me started on the Skinhead movement of the 60's and 70's, and how discrimination towards South-Asians became a norm there (still is)! And how African soccer teams can no longer play in Europe without being called apes!
 
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@ Muse: One of the great thread topics here, which focuses on some real issues instead of the same old same old Indi-pak tussles here. And I am not going to judge the title here, simply because it feels so trivial against the content.

@ Jana & Coolyo: Wake up guys. Shed your hypocrisy; its time to face the truth. One of you visited Dubai on a tourist visa and the other probably has her knowledge of the topic from hearsay. So if you cannot digest reality, at least don't downplay on the real sufferings of the others. You have no idea what the south Asian workers, specially the laborours, have to face from your so-called Saudi brethrens.

@ All others who care: I feel this article is a huge eye opener to most relevant root cause for the mess we are in. This mess they are creating have taken our focuses away from the most desirable agendas like development, alleviation of poverty, human rights etc. etc. Like someone posted here, we are direct descendants from a great civilization ourselves and we need to shift our focus to get back to where we belong.
 
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@ Jana & Coolyo: Wake up guys. Shed your hypocrisy; its time to face the truth. One of you visited Dubai on a tourist visa and the other probably has her knowledge of the topic from hearsay. So if you cannot digest reality, at least don't downplay on the real sufferings of the others. You have no idea what the south Asian workers, specially the laborours, have to face from your so-called Saudi brethrens.

I`m no hypocrate, nothing that I said was hypocritical! And I don`t deny any of these things... You are obviously mis-informed, ignorant, or didn`t read my posts (or all three)!

PS: The article was referring to the Gulf-States, not Saudi Arabia...
 
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Dubai Bank says all female staff must wear abayas
Gulfnews: Dubai Bank says all female staff must wear abayas

08/22/2009 02:48 PM | By Bassma Al Jandaly, Staff Reporter



Dubai: All female staff at Dubai Bank, Muslim and non-Muslim, must wear a shailah (head scarf) and abaya (black cloak covering the whole body) starting this Ramadan, Gulf News has learnt.

A memo sent to staff on Thursday says the bank has decided that all Muslim and non-Muslim female staff must wear a shailah and abaya.

A Dubai Bank official who would not reveal his name said a memo was issued to this effect by the human resources manager, informing employees that starting from the first day of Ramadan all female employees must wear a shailah and abaya regardless of their religion.

"Our bank is Islamic and must follow Sharia in all respects, which will satisfy our clients," he said. While the decision takes effect beginning first of Ramadan, it has become a rule and part of the dress code for female employees at all times.

Gulf News contacted Dubai Bank on several occasions, but officials would not comment on the memo.

Gulf News has learnt that the proposal on the dress code was made by the bank's Fatwa and Sharia Supervisory Board in June and it was endorsed by the management. A circular was then issued on Thursday.

The Fatwa and Sharia Supervisory Board's proposal, a copy of which has been obtained by Gulf News, says the abaya should not have any embroidery or decoration on it and must not be coloured.

It says any female staff who does not adhere to this dress code should be advised by the human resources department at the bank to follow it.

If the staff member insists on not abiding by the law then the matter should be brought to the notice of the executive member of the Sharia supervisory board who can decide upon action to be taken against that staff
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The bank will encourage employees to wear a shailah and abaya by providing staff with them. The head of the human resources department has been instructed to ensure that employees adhere to the dress code.

The bank has given employees a grace period until after the Eid holiday after which it will become mandatory.

The proposal, signed by Shaikh Mohammad Taqi Usmani, Chairman of the Fatwa and Sharia Supervisory Board of Dubai Bank, says the move will gain customers' confidence and help market the bank's products.

Many customers, the proposal said, choose a bank based upon its appearance before considering other aspects. The dress code is essential in determining the bank's identity as a Sharia compliant institution
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Think Gang, think Tribe, think ignorance - What you wear is what you are, the content of your character is not our business and your ethical and moral compass is your own business, not the bank's business. and people's brains are in their eyes
 
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A dangerous Saudi affair
by Ahmad Ali Khalid on July 19th, 2011



Life in Saudi Arabia is good – oil rich, tax free incomes, multiple servants, big villas and security. Even labourers, remark on the improved quality of life in Saudi as compared to Pakistan. For them this is an opportunity to support their families in the relative security of the Kingdom.

It seems Pakistani expat workers are satisfied with life. Even migrant labourers who I have conversed with personally say life is better in Saudi than in Pakistan,
and the incomes they receive give their families back home a fighting chance. Personally, I’ve had good experiences and memories of living in the Kingdom for many years. But let’s face it – there is a conflict between personal gain and ethical integrity when it comes to Saudi Arabia.

One can witness a pervasive sort of racism, a form of Saudi supremacy that views other types of Arabs and particularly the South Asian expats (who are mostly labourers) as inferior and mere ‘commodities’ who can be bought and sold ruthlessly. Expats are not human beings but a commodity to be bartered and acquired.

Connected to racial supremacy is an attempt to insulate the regime from criticism by using the cloak of religion. Saudi textbooks are filled with references to hate; the Islamic Studies curriculum in the country is simply barbaric. I’ve experienced first-hand being taught by an Islamic Studies teacher in one of the most prominent private schools in Riyadh, about the dangers of having non-Muslims as friends and about the evil conspiracies hatched by Christians, Jews and Shias.

In Pakistan, Saudi petro-dollars have funded factories of hate in the form of the madrassa system. ‘Petro-Islam’ is a nightmare scenario – capitalism and a dangerous ideology locked in a tight embrace. It is because of the sheer amount of money behind this austere and dangerous theology that it can easily overwhelm the moderate elements in any given society.

Little attention is given in Pakistan about the treatment of Pakistani labourers. If the Saudis will not speak about the suffering of these people then why should we remain silent? It is understandable that Pakistanis within Saudi cannot protest, but why do Pakistanis living outside who have witnessed first-hand the harsh treatment of their fellow citizens choose to remain silent? The Gulf countries practice a modern day equivalent of slavery, and our media should be more vocal about it, instead of weaving tales about Mossad and RAW.

The treatment of Pakistani labourers as sub-humans is deeply pervasive. The underlying logic of this treatment is that a non-Saudi can never be an equal; they are always meant to serve. Pakistanis like to criticise Europe’s hostility to immigrants but the anti-immigration feeling in Saudi Arabia is deeply toxic and yet it is never scrutinised.

A famous Pakistani defence of Saudi Arabia is that it is an ‘Islamic country’ and ergo a good place to raise the kids. But there is very little ‘Islamic’ about the country – in my time in Saudi, I talked to converts to Islam who travelled from as far as America and the UK to see for themselves the ‘Islamic’ Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Privately, they reveal a story of disillusionment and profuse disappointment.

Many were shocked by what they see in Saudi. They talk about a hypocrisy running deep within the society. Whilst the elite enjoy a hedonistic lifestyle of drinking and private nightclub-style parties, the religious police make life hell. I once saw a mullah in a GMC reverse on one of the main roads in Riyadh just to tell a woman to put her burqa on properly.

I find we are confused about our reaction to the prospect of a ‘Saudi Revolution’. When Mubarak was toppled and Ben Ali fled, the reaction amongst Pakistanis was positive, after all these dictators were merely pawns of the West. But talk about Saudi, and again there is that sense of unease and discomfort. After all, for all their faults the Saudis still do some great work. Many Pakistanis and indeed Muslims around the world have a sense of deep respect in regards to the provision of the Hajj. Indeed, the Saudis have continually done a fantastic job in improving facilities, crowd control and should be given credit for handling such a difficult event with efficiency.

But on the issue of faith, some Pakistanis are naive in thinking that a Muslim country can never be unjust with another Muslim country; they refuse to accept that in the reality of real politick there is no ‘Islamic Ummah’.

It is this sense of moral unease we have when we talk about Saudi Arabia that has haunted Pakistani hearts and minds. On the one hand, we receive great remittances from Pakistani workers who are employed in the Kingdom, but on the other hand everyone knows that they are discriminated against and have little or no rights. But yet again the response is that those Pakistanis living and working in Saudi Arabia should be grateful that they even have a job because of the deteriorating economic conditions back home. In this cold, utilitarian world where money talks, it is impossible that the Pakistani government will fight for its citizens rights in front of the Saudi Royal family.

The old adage, ‘Don’t bite the hand that feeds you’, comes to mind. Pakistan is trapped in an abusive marriage (or maybe a delusional affair?) when it comes to Saudi.

Today the Kingdom is launching a great counter-revolution trying to contain the ‘Arab Spring’ by buying off Arab militaries, supporting dictators, issuing fatwas against the protestors and involving the Pakistani security forces in controlling protests in Bahrain which has become a stage for its great feud with Iran. Pakistan is very much a supporter of tyranny in the greatest political awakening of the 21st century, and this will hurt only Pakistanis in the end
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I am not taking any sides (either with Pakistanis or Arabs) but just look at it from a different angle.

Pakistani laborers earn small salaries in Gulf Countries, well then what is the government of Pakistan doing to counter this. Has it made any efforts to raise the standard of living of the poor Pakistani living in Pakistan so that they cannot be lured to work outside? Has it made efforts to spread education in the poor people in Pakistan?
 
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I request the mods to change the title! I am very offended!

Why are you bringing the holy city into this?

As for the article, I've known for a long time that Saudi/Gulf-State Arabs are VERY racist towards South-Asians, but treat so called White people (who are mainly non-Muslims) like they are royalty!

These Arabs have no problem with funding terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and the TTP, because they believe in the same WAHABI values as these dirty terrorists!

These petro-millionaires, should be ashamed! We Pakistanis MUST wake up to this threat, but at the same time not ignore the other threats posed by India, Israel, and America!

Our politicians should take note of this, and do whatever is in their power to inhibit these dirty and smelly Gulf-State Arabs from exploiting any more innocent Pakistanis and NON-ARAB Muslims!

Even other Arabs have fallen prey to the WRATH of these DIRTY Saudi/Gulf-State Arabs...

these burger boys have no respect for their own religion, the term we say in our language ;parha likha jahil'

aur angrez ki ghulaami kerne waala jaahil!!
 
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No Pakistani is offended, it's islamists who are offended for being shown the mirror. This shows what they have made of Pakistan, they have reduced it to slavery

Pakistanis and all others know this truth, they see it and they live it.

Your Arby "brothers" can't even bear the smell of you and you still work to enslave us to their vision of a 7th century utopia.
Sir because of some idiots you can't blame all arabs first secondly I have some arab friends they don't have any problem but sick secular mind only need a reason to create divide among Muslims but they will be defeated because the concept of UMMAT if from the great PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAW and no body on the face of the earth can destroy it
 
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TO the mode: plz change the title of the thread.It is intentionally flaming.

The conduct of the arbi's is however a sad reality. i have spent a lot of years in gulf and witnessed these things first handedly.
 
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