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Gripen was the perfect platform for India to develop our industry further I believe. Tejas is nowhere near capable. Aesthetically.... Tejas looks like shit.
Well defence procurement = billions = huge kickbacks. Not just in India but all over the world. So sometimes the most effective platform gets overlooked because of this.
 
Gripen for Canada: Why the Saab Gripen NG is right for Canada
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Why the Saab Gripen NG is right for Canada
Source: Gripen NG
Thanks Sir,
very informative article about gripen NG and What we do know, is that Saab has offered to sell 65 Gripen NGs to Canada, with 40 years worth of maintenance costs for under $6 billion. Saab has also offered that, if Canada wishes, Gripen production could take place in Canada under contract with Bombardier.
 
@MastanKhan @Indus Falcon

Respect to you both!!

This thread got me thinking about why the Gripen NG shouldn't be inducted as a CAP aircraft. 3~4 squadrons. I went through the thread about 5 times, then sat down with an "expert". Turns out the biggest "Achilles heel" of the Gripen NG is the seriously underrated engine. To be honest, it needs two of them, to function in "hot and high" conditions

Nonetheless, some thing very productive came out of this thread.

Sincerely appreciate the input from everyone on this thread.

Best Regards
 
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Large centreline fuel tanks
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CFTs
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Just wondering: why not (also) a ventral CFT, considering that pair of fuel tanks under the fuselage.
Will the aircraft be able to perform evasive maneuvers, in the event of a dog fight with a CFT strapped to it? Given the fact the NG's engine is quite under powered.
 
Will the aircraft be able to perform evasive maneuvers, in the event of a dog fight with a CFT strapped to it? Given the fact the NG's engine is quite under powered.
F414G provides 22,000 lbs. of thrust, 35 percent more thrust than the original F404, 20% greater thrust than the current RM12 engine. Volvo Aero stated it was capable of further developing its RM12 engine to better match the performance of the F414G. The Eurojet EJ200 had also been under consideration for the Gripen; proposed implementations included the use of thrust vectoring
Gripen NG's Advanced Turbofan Engine: An Overview - Gripen
Saab JAS 39 Gripen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

F404
  • 11,000 lbf (48.9 kN) military thrust
  • 17,700 lbf (78.7 kN) with afterburner
RM-12
  • 54 kN (12,100 lbf) military thrust
  • 80.5 kN (18,100 lbf) with afterburner
F414G
  • 13,000 lbf (57.8 kN) military thrust
  • 22,000 lbf (97.9 kN) with afterburner
(not sure where the above sources get their % from, seeing these specs in wiki)

Conformal tanks do not seem to bother the performance of F-15, F-16, F-18, Eurofighter Typhoon so equipped.
 
Swedish defence major Saab has offered to manufacture its fifth generation Gripen fighter aircraft here with 100% technology transfer to India

Saab's aeronautics division, said the offer of technology transfer would be real as they are offering India 'full system control' and 'full software control'.

IAF modernisation plan: Saab offers Gripen fighter jets under 'Make in India' with full control - The Economic Times

So India is gona drop below projects??

HAL Sukhoi PMF/FGFA
HAL AMCA


@MastanKhan @Indus Falcon both Pakistan and India going for the same?
 
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SAAB's Gripen NG Fighter Has An Awesome Way To Make Its Radar More Capable

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AESA radars have changed aerial combat, offering a quantum leap in range, resolution, fast scanning capabilities, stealthiness and reliability among many other advantages. But, an AESA’s somewhat narrow field of view can still be an issue. SAAB has come up with a ingenious solution to this problem—spin an angled AESA radar array around on a platter.

This system, which is called a repositioner, is ingenious as it allows theGripen NG’s Raven ES-05 radar to gain another 40 degrees of scanning ability to either side of the aircraft’s nose. This is in addition to the 60 degrees AESA radar sets typically provide (120 degrees combined).


The ability to take a beyond-visual-range missile shot, then turn 90 degrees, while still providing mid-course updates for the missile fired and keep situational awareness at its peak is a great thing, and it opens up many tactical advantages for Gripen NG crews.

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This system will allow beaming into the enemy’s radar notch without losing track of the bad guys. Beaming is when a fighter turns around 90 degrees away (perpendicular) from the enemy’s pulse doppler radar array. Because these types of radars use doppler shift to gauge a target’s relative velocity, and as such they filter out low relative velocity objects, especially ground clutter, the beaming fighter, which is not moving to or away from the enemy radar much while beaming, can enter the enemy radar’s notch.

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This is a blind spot where the radar’s velocity gate, which acts like a filter, sees a target at low enough speed from its perspective that it discounts it. So even though the fighter may be moving at 500 mph, the right angle to the radar makes it only detect maybe 60 mph of closure, as such it throws this information out as it would ground clutter. This is an especially useful tactic when the enemy fighter is above you, and trying to lock you up in the look-down-shoot down scenario.

The issue is that with a typical fixed AESA radar array, pulling off such a maneuver means the fighter doing so will lose its radar picture and lock on the enemy it is trying to evade. Without third party sensors feeding this data to the beaming fighter via data-link, its pilot will become blind to the tactical situation when it matters most.

Now, with a system like SAAB’s repositioner, the radar can be rotated to gain the extra azimuth to continue scanning the area over 90 degrees off its nose. As such, the pilot will not lose situational awareness and their missiles can continue to get mid-course updates as they fly towards their targets. Paired with low-probability of intercept mode, where the AESA radar uses very directed beams of radar energy in quick succession, and while hopping frequencies, the fighter that is beaming can be hard to detect even by passive sensors, such as radar warning receivers.

With new missiles that have extreme ranges, like MBDA’s Meteor, a Gripen NG could fire these missiles at enemy fighters at long-ranges, and then jump into the enemy’s doppler notch to hide while still guiding its missiles. This could put the Gripen NG beyond the reach of the enemy’s infrared search and track system (IRST) that is impervious to jamming or beaming tricks during the entirety of the engagement, as well as the enemy’s radar for much of it. As such, the enemy fighters would not be able to detect the Gripen even while its missiles are well on the way. First shots, first kill.

Other solutions to this problem have been designed into other fighters. The F-22 Raptor was supposed to have AESA radar arrays on both sides of its nose in order to give the jet more radar coverage at extreme angles.Sadly, the equipment was never installed due to budget reasons. Still, the F-22, with its low observability (stealth) really has less a need for such a system than less stealthy aircraft.

Unlike the F-22, Russia’s T-50 has side-mounted AESA arrays, which may be necessary due to the aircraft’s less stealthy design when compared to the F-22. The Eurofighter consortium also has an answer to this problem with their swashplate design tied to the CAPTOR-E radar, which is very similar to SAAB’s repositioner.


With the 4.75 generation fighter marketplace looking to be stable much longer than originally anticipated, AESA radar upgrades breathe new life into not so new designs. The Gripen NG in particular packs a ton of capability into a small package, and it will be interesting to see how the jet does once it becomes operational.

Currently, Brazil has an order for 36 of the jets (24 single-seat Gripen Es and 12 two-seat Gripen Fs) that should begin being delivered by 2019, and Sweden will order 60.
 
Gripen E Debuts as Saab Reports Continued Interest in C Variants
Andrew Chuter,
May 18, 2016

LINKÖPING, Sweden — Saab executives hosting the rollout of the company's Gripen E fighter said they have a new customer in their sights, not for the latest version of the jet but the existing C variant.

Speaking to reporters ahead‎ of the rollout, Jerker Ahiqvist, the head of the Gripen program, said a deal with Slovakia for eight of the single-seat C variant of the Gripen was the nearest to being closed.

Confirmation of a deal‎ for the lease of new-build aircraft has been delayed by a recent general election in the central European nation but discussions between the Swedish and Slovakian governments continue.

Saab intends to continue upgrading and building the C/D version‎ alongside the more powerful E/F version capturing the attention at the rollout.

Speaking at the rollout, Saab CEO Hakan Buskhe said that the company would be integrating some of the capabilities from the E development into the earlier version.

Company officials said there is still plenty of interest in the C/D variant among those nations that don't require the additional range, more weapons and sensors, and other capabilities offered by the Gripen E making it's debut Wednesday.

Croatia, Bulgaria and maybe even Botswana, if media reports are to be believed, are among the possible customers for a jet already flown by the Swedish Air Force and four others nation as well as Britain's Empire Test Pilots School.

Swedish Air Force chief Maj. Gen. Mats Helgesson said no decision had yet been made about whether the aircraft would be sold on the second-hand market.

The Swedish jets are receiving an extensive update known‎ as MS20, the centerpiece of which is the introduction of the potent Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missile made by MBDA and also destined to be operated onboard Rafale, Typhoon and F-35 jets.

The star of the show here Wednesday though was the Gripen E.

The aircraft has already secured deals for 60 aircraft from Sweden and a further 36 machines for the Brazilian Air Force, including eight twin-seat F versions.

A further two batches of ai‎rcraft are expected to be ordered by Brazil, although the timing is unclear.

‎India, Finland, Belgium, Switzerland and Columbia are some of the possible customers for a jet that Saab reckons is among the most effective and affordable available.

If the flags adorning the Gripen E hangar were anything to go by, Mexico,‎ Chile, Uruguay, Peru and Canada are also possible targets for Saab.

Buskhe told the audience that Gripen interest is at an all-time high among potential customers.

The Saab boss said the company had "focused on quality, performance and even capped the cost curve" on fighter development costs with Gripen.

The Gripen E test aircraft being rolled out Wednesday is expected to make its maiden flight around the end of the year.

Swedish Air Force E's are scheduled to reach initial operating capability in 2023 with full capability set for three years later.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...ports-continued-interest-c-variants/84537568/
 
@MastanKhan @Indus Falcon

Respect to you both!!

This thread got me thinking about why the Gripen NG shouldn't be inducted as a CAP aircraft. 3~4 squadrons. I went through the thread about 5 times, then sat down with an "expert". Turns out the biggest "Achilles heel" of the Gripen NG is the seriously underrated engine. To be honest, it needs two of them, to function in "hot and high" conditions

Nonetheless, some thing very productive came out of this thread.

Sincerely appreciate the input from everyone on this thread.

Best Regards

Hi,

When it needs two engines---then it needs to be a larger aircraft as well---which would put it into the medium ++ category---.

But when you look at this aircraft on its own merits for the size that it is----it is an excellent complimentary aircraft that has a serious punch---it will work best in countries that have a smaller geographic area and the opponent that is not too large and has similiar or INFERIOR combat capabilities.

For pakistan---that has a similar aircraft the JF17 BLK 3 which will be supposedly similar to the NG---that would be equipped with the SD10B---PL10 and possibly with the PL15---.

Both these aircraft will have to be partnered with heavy strike aircraft to have the wining combination if they are facing a larger enemy and a larger enemy force---where the heavier strike force will be able to reach deeper into enemy territory---so that the enemy will have to disperse its assets to cover the vulnerable spots----.

Lighter equipment will not overcome heavier equipment unless the numbers the lighter equipment are over whelming.

Superior electronics and superior weapons will make a ton of a difference---but if the enemy force is large enough and numbers high enough---the enemy will win.

Swedish defence major Saab has offered to manufacture its fifth generation Gripen fighter aircraft here with 100% technology transfer to India

Saab's aeronautics division, said the offer of technology transfer would be real as they are offering India 'full system control' and 'full software control'.

IAF modernisation plan: Saab offers Gripen fighter jets under 'Make in India' with full control - The Economic Times

So India is gona drop below projects??

HAL Sukhoi PMF/FGFA
HAL AMCA


@MastanKhan @Indus Falcon both Pakistan and India going for the same?

Hi,

At this time---there is too much unpredictability---normally I don't comment on what inida should do---. My focus is on what paf ought to have done and what it needs to do.
 
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Sweden’s Multirole Fighter Spreads Its Wings

http://defense-update.com/20160522_gripen_e.html

SAAB rolled out the newest member of the Gripen family of fighter jets – the Gripen E.SAAB defines the new fighter as ‘revolutionary’ because it combines advanced technology and operational effectiveness in an affordable package that no other fighter aircraft can. Defense-Update takes a look at what the new fighter jet can do.

Based on the proven Gripen C/D platform, the Gripen E (also referred to as Gripen E/F) is designed as a multi-role fighter designed to perform air/air, air/ground and aerial recce with the same aircraft on a single mission. Compared with previous Gripen models (C/D) the new version has increased range and mission endurance. Its redesigned airframe operates at higher weights and is configured for maximum takeoff weight of 16.5 tons, allowing Gripen E to carry more fuel and weapons. The aircraft has 10 hardpoints and carries additional pylons to increase weapon capacity.

The integration of a powerful (98 kN) and efficient GE F414G engine provides a higher level of thrust. Digital fly-by-wire and canards are providing the high aircraft agility while the excess power delivered by the new engine sustains high speed (Mach 2) and super-cruising capability, a unique feature for a fighter jet of this size.

Saab is developing the single-seat version of the aircraft – Gripen E – for the Swedish Air Force and the Brazilian Air Force. Brazil’s Embraer is responsible for the development of a two-seater variant (Gripen F). The Brazilian Air Force plans to operate six such aircraft.

Since the Gripen A/B and C/D fighters currently fly with several NATO air forces, Gripen E is also designed to be NATO-interoperable and is tailored for the future Network Centric Warfare (NCW) environment. Such capabilities comprise advanced data communications, dual data links, satellite communications and video links. A formation of Gripen E will be able can share tactical and logistical information including the position, fuel and weapon status of each aircraft. Besides, the pilot can communicate two ways with every networked element, in the air, on the ground or at sea through the secure and multi-frequency data links, using line-of-sight or satellite links.

Advanced sensors available on board add new capabilities to air/air and air/ground warfighting capability, these include the Leonardo Selex ES-05 Raven Active Electronic Scan Array (AESA) Radar and Infrared Search and Track (IRST) adding passive tracking and target acquisition capability to the Gripen’s tactics portfolio. The antenna uses a swash-plate solution that gives the radar an area coverage of ± 100°.


The Skyward IRST enables Gripen E pilots to track and engage targets without giving away their positions. Photo: Saab
The Skyward IRST (also built by Selex) can operate in synch with the radar, to provide visual target identification from a long distance, or function as ’passive radar’, enabling Gripen E pilots to track and engage targets without giving away their positions. The sensor is looking forward over a wide sector, registering heat emissions from other aircraft, helicopters, objects on the ground and sea surface.

The third sensor on board is the electronic countermeasures system, that can operate with active (Missile Approach Warning – MAW) and passive (Radar Warning Receiver – RWR) sensors, detecting hostile radar emissions that ‘paint’ the Gripen from a distance, or missiles closing in from afar, guided by radar signals. The EW system couples with active countermeasures, including chaff, flares and expendable decoys such as the BriteCloud, as well as RF jammer pod and anti-radiation missiles that could be integrated in the future, to defeat such threats.

These sensors are combined with cockpit instrumentation to provide the pilot with situational picture, using comprehensive display systems that include Helmet Mounted Display (which also combines night vision), Head-Up Display (HUD) and Wide Area Displays (WAD) to be integrated into the Gripen NGs destined for the Brazilian Air Force. This combination of displays delivers the ability to detect and destroy a wide variety of targets, even at night or in poor weather conditions.

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Being able to super cruise----should not have any problem with the power band.
 
@Khafee @Indus Falcon

Some very interesting comments from a hungarian---even though it is old---

" HI,

I'm an insider from the Hungarian Gripen program, and I can tell you that most of the public infos on the Gripen are fuelled by the agressive marketing of Gripen International. A great deal of lunches and dinners can influence the press, mainly the English one! Someone above for example pasted sentences from Gripen News, the official newletter of GI. My God...

If you have questions, just go ahead!

Sincerely,

Lajes "

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1029

'.

IAF modernisation plan: Saab offers Gripen fighter jets under 'Make in India' with full control - The Economic Times

So India is gona drop below projects??

HAL Sukhoi PMF/FGFA
HAL AMCA


@MastanKhan @Indus Falcon both Pakistan and India going for the same?

Hi,

Sorry---I missed your post---. I don't know what india is going to do----but pakistan already has its gripen---the JF17---it just needs to find the right package.
 
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