Greek Rafale F3 Vs Turkish S400

[Foinikas]

Greeks Islands have both 6nm of territorial waters and airspace
but Greeks are dreaming about 10 nm airspace

Turkish F-16s are flying in international airspace
far away from Greek mainland

You should cut down the provocative speech. You might get a one month ban.

 

[MMM-E]

However, the problem of interoperability still exists, i.e. the S300 radar cannot cooperate with e.g. with Crotale, something similar happens with Turkish.

S400 can work without Turkish AD Systems and Radar network
S400 has its own superior capability to hit all enemy Fighter Jets

The S-400 is the world's longest range air defense system with no direct rival from the West

Radar
600 km BIG BIRD --S400
450 km ERALP -- SIPER
100 km AN/MPQ-53 -- PATRIOT
100 km ARABEL -- SAMP-T

Missile
380 km 40N6E ( speed of mach 3,5 ) -- S400
250 km 48N6E3 ( speed of mach 5,9 ) -- S400
160 km PAC-2 ( speed of mach 4 ) -- PATRIOT
100+ km SIPER ( speed of mach 4 ) -- SIPER
100+ km ASTER-30 ( speed of mach 4,5 ) -- SAMP-T



Turkiye bought 36 Launchers with 192 missiles for $2,5 billion

RADARS

-- 91N6E Big Bird Radar without the Russian IFF
-- 96L6E Cheese Board

Turkish IFF and radar software

Max range : 600 km

Turkiye tested S400s

MISSILES
380 km 40N6E
250 km 48N6E3 Missile

 

[Beny Karachun]

Finally, the matter was resolved years later, with the help of some distant country in the Mediterranean, which has proven to have made a sieve of the Syrian air defense, which has S300 and S400. This is why the Greek S300s so easily lock the Turkish F-16s when they violate Greek airspace.

I would guess that's us?

 

[Akritas]

I would guess that's us?

If we are not stuck in the stupid policy of appeasement, and you are more flexible, we would have done miracles in the Southern Mediterranean.

 

[Beny Karachun]

If we were not of the policy of appeasement, and you more flexible, we would have done miracles in the Eastern Mediterranean.

We first need to deal with our blockers of success in Israel(Unions and union lobbyists in the government, leftist court, socialists and enemies like Palestinians and Iran) to be able to do miracles in the middle east. Our stupid leftist courts delayed our gas drilling operations by two years, if those idiots wouldn't have done that we could have already sold 100 billion dollars worth of gas to Europe.

 

[Akritas]

We first need to deal with our blockers of success in Israel(Unions and union lobbyists in the government, leftist court, socialists and enemies like Palestinians and Iran) to be able to do miracles in the middle east. Our stupid leftist courts delayed our gas drilling operations by two years, if those idiots wouldn't have done that we could have already sold 100 billion dollars worth of gas to Europe.

We also have such cases, I am talking about other issues, the military ones, bringing two characteristic cases.
The first was in the 90s and in the upgrade of the Greek F-4. Even though you came to an agreement with Turkey, we went ahead and asked you for specific things in the upgrade. You refused and eventually the program was taken by the Germans.
The second concerns the ΝLOS program, where again the Greek side requests Israeli flexibility both in terms of field maintenance of the systems, but also that the vehicles are not the ones proposed. You deny both, and the order is probably messed up.

 

[Beny Karachun]

We also have such cases, I am talking about other issues, the military ones, bringing two characteristic cases.
The first was in the 90s and in the upgrade of the Greek F-4. Even though you came to an agreement with Turkey, we went ahead and asked you for specific things in the upgrade. You refused and eventually the program was taken by the Germans.
The second concerns the ΝLOS program, where again the Greek side requests Israeli flexibility both in terms of field maintenance of the systems, but also that the vehicles are not the ones proposed. You deny both, and the order is probably messed up.

Well I don't about all of that honestly, gotta know the details and the context.

Also, what NLOS program? Spike NLOS you mean? Tell me the details behind the requests. Right now all Israeli defense companies are private, all they persue is profit, Greek terms might either be too much of a headache for the Israeli companies or they make it unprofitable, or both, there's no other reason.

 

[Akritas]

Well I don't about all of that honestly, gotta know the details and the context.

Also, what NLOS program? Spike NLOS you mean? Tell me the details behind the requests. Right now all Israeli defense companies are private, all they persue is profit, Greek terms might either be too much of a headache for the Israeli companies or they make it unprofitable, or both, there's no other reason.

Yes, that's what I'm saying, the Greek side is asking the field maintenance to do it, while it wants a different transport vehicle than the proposed Sandcat. The Israeli side says no to both.

 

[Foinikas]

Yeah,we actually had big hopes from cooperating with Israel,because we were interested in a lot of things. SPIKE NLOS,SPIKE LR2,SPIKE SR,Barak MX,Spyder,Drone Dome,EW systems...all that stuff and even more were presented to our Armed Forces leadership since summer and they were interested in most of them. But the SPIKE NLOS thing showed that Israelis were not flexible at all in our requests. So that disappointed the Armed Forces and angered the political leadership.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Yes, that's what I'm saying, the Greek side is asking the field maintenance to do it, while it wants a different transport vehicle than the proposed Sandcat. The Israeli side says no to both.

This might be not big enough of a purchase for it to be worth the hassle for Rafael. Rafael is full with work this year, it sold tens of thousands of Spike missiles to dozens of countries over the years, it can't provide field maintanance to all of them.

And equipping a different vehicle with those missiles might also complicate things for them.

 

[Akritas]

And equipping a different vehicle with those missiles might also complicate things for them.

It already exists, the JLTV of Oshkosh.
As well as there is a new vehicle, the Stormrider, which is also manufactured in Greece through ELVO-Plasan.

This might be not big enough of a purchase for it to be worth the hassle for Rafael. Rafael is full with work this year, it sold tens of thousands of Spike missiles to dozens of countries over the years, it can't provide field maintanance to all of them.

No one doubts the quality of this particular system, but each army adapts it to its own need
Imagine now that we are on an island in the Aegean, the Turks are preparing a landing, and due to a simple technical failure at the unit level, the staff cannot intervene, because Rafael has not provided the permission (bibliography, materials, tools).
How do you see it?

 

[Beny Karachun]

It already exists, the JLTV of Oshkosh.
As well as there is a new vehicle, the Stormrider, which is also manufactured in Greece through ELVO-Plasan.


No one doubts the quality of this particular system, but each army adapts it to its own need
Imagine now that we are on an island in the Aegean, the Turks are preparing a landing, and due to a simple technical failure at the unit level, the staff cannot intervene, because Rafael has not provided the permission (bibliography, materials, tools).
How do you see it?

Well, no idea what's the reasoning behind it. Again, probably a cost thing.

Israeli technicians working in private companies won't be present in areas of war. I get your concerns, I don't know if there's a reason to be afraid of any technical failures in the missiles, and if there are, just use another missile. Technical failures are rare, if there even are any.

 

[Foinikas]

Well, no idea what's the reasoning behind it. Again, probably a cost thing.

Israeli technicians working in private companies won't be present in areas of war. I get your concerns, I don't know if there's a reason to be afraid of any technical failures in the missiles, and if there are, just use another missile. Technical failures are rare, if there even are any.

Rafael's acting weird. I don't know why.

 

[BON PLAN]

Turkish KORKUT 35mm SPAAG with airburst munition and HISAR Air Defense Systems easly can intercept SCALP Cruise Missiles to protect S400s ... S400 is not alone

The best ADS system in the world is said to be the russian one.
Russia is on war with Ukraine.
Some targets in Russia have been hit by SCALP, as bridges. A bridge is a very sensitive target, so heavily defended. In vain....

It's absolutely not mpossible that some of these cruise missiles had been destroyed, but they are rare in Ukraine, and some russian targets have been hit. So most potent ADS in the world (and better than the Turkish one) is all but not invicible.

 

[MMM-E]

Some targets in Russia have been hit by SCALP, as bridges. A bridge is a very sensitive target, so heavily defended. In vain....

S400 is not against Cruise Missiles
They need modern medium altitude-range AD System to intercept Cruise Missiles


for example Turkish HISAR-O RF to intercept Cruise Missiles

and GAME OVER !
SIPER Air Defense System

150 km SIPER Block-2 Missile
450+ km AESA Radar

Enemy Air Force can not cross the 25th meridian in the Agean