Greece offers to evacuate 15,000 Chinese nationals

[marshall]

Greeks have been marginalized by the Anglo-Jewish alliance for centuries. The only time the Anglo-Jews cared about them was when they could be a useful tool in attacking Turkey.

What Anglo-Jewish alliance are you talking about? Greece became a backwater centuries ago on its own, then stayed there when the Ottomans invaded. The Jewish did have alot of influence in London and were instrumental in helping create Israel. However, it was never an informal alliance like what exists with the American-Israeli alliance, unless you include certain ethnic Jewish powerbrokers in London, in which case you have a point.

This is ironic, as Greeks are the inheritors of the culture of Sparta, Rome and Byzantium and had science and philosophy when the Anglos were living in caves. Unfortunately, in the modern world, Alexander cannot be repeated.

Sparta has next to no influence on the legacy of Greek Civilization. Greek Civilization owes its legacy to Athens, and some other minor city states. Sparta's main contribution to Greece is its mythological history as a military superstate. This mythological story is also an ancient fabrication because Sparta was simply too puny in size to be considered anything more than a militaristic society and military superstate to other Greek city states.

Roman Civilization has its roots in the Etruscan Civilization which was contempory with the Greek Civilization. The Roman Empire began by Rome conquering Etruscan city states. Rome's expansion eventually reached the southern Italian peninsula where it started absorbing city states that were either founded by or did trade with Greece. This Greek influence, although significant, was not a transformational one as Rome already had its own systems in place for centuries by then. Rome is better described as a melting pot of influences which cannot be pigeonholed because it evolved so much over time. Byzantine was the direct descendant of the classical Roman Empire. By this time, there was so much cross-pollination of different influences across the empire that any reference to Greek influence held little meaning since Greek influence had already put its stamp on the earlier Roman empire transplanted into the later Byzantine. The only truly Greek thing about Byzantine is that its capital was geographically situated close to Greece so it had alot of Greeks living in it.

Concerning Alexander the Great. The famous statement "Alexander the Great conquered the known world" is an oxymoron yet people use it to boost Alexander to being GREAT status. Rome was already known to the Greeks, so was Carthage, so was Egypt. These sorts of historical fallacies and obvious over-exaggerations annoy me. If Alexander the "Great" was so great, then Qin Shi Huang should be called Qin the Great since he conquered all under heaven, China's known civilized world. Why do Americans call their baseball championship the World Series? Ethnocentrism exists today as it did in Greek society. See what I mean? Historical fallacies annoy me.

 

[ephone]

It is not in Greece's interest to default on those debts. Otherwise, Greece has done it already.

US and Germany NO, but china has $ 1.2 trillion in cash reserves.. it can do it... theoretically ..not that it should, Greece doesn't owe money to countries as such, it owes money to banks and investment funds, they took the gamble on Greece and lost, they should take the loss.. not anyone else..

 

[marshall]

Greece has been operating russian equipment for almost 15 years now and i promise you , no US eye has ever come within 10 miles of it.

That's because the Americans treat Greece like crap so Greeks have a strong incentive to not help them and piss off the Russians. If Taiwan got their hands on F-22s, there is absolutely no doubt that scientists in Taiwan would be passing off as much technical information they could learn about it to China.

 

[pluto]

thanks, Greece.
making friends...

 

[amalakas]

What Anglo-Jewish alliance are you talking about? Greece became a backwater centuries ago on its own, then stayed there when the Ottomans invaded. The Jewish did have alot of influence in London and were instrumental in helping create Israel. However, it was never an informal alliance like what exists with the American-Israeli alliance, unless you include certain ethnic Jewish powerbrokers in London, in which case you have a point.


Sparta has next to no influence on the legacy of Greek Civilization. Greek Civilization owes its legacy to Athens, and some other minor city states. Sparta's main contribution to Greece is its mythological history as a military superstate. This mythological story is also an ancient fabrication because Sparta was simply too puny in size to be considered anything more than a militaristic society and military superstate to other Greek city states.

Roman Civilization has its roots in the Etruscan Civilization which was contempory with the Greek Civilization. The Roman Empire began by Rome conquering Etruscan city states. Rome's expansion eventually reached the southern Italian peninsula where it started absorbing city states that were either founded by or did trade with Greece. This Greek influence, although significant, was not a transformational one as Rome already had its own systems in place for centuries by then. Rome is better described as a melting pot of influences which cannot be pigeonholed because it evolved so much over time. Byzantine was the direct descendant of the classical Roman Empire. By this time, there was so much cross-pollination of different influences across the empire that any reference to Greek influence held little meaning since Greek influence had already put its stamp on the earlier Roman empire transplanted into the later Byzantine. The only truly Greek thing about Byzantine is that its capital was geographically situated close to Greece so it had alot of Greeks living in it.

Concerning Alexander the Great. The famous statement "Alexander the Great conquered the known world" is an oxymoron yet people use it to boost Alexander to being GREAT status. Rome was already known to the Greeks, so was Carthage, so was Egypt. These sorts of historical fallacies and obvious over-exaggerations annoy me. If Alexander the "Great" was so great, then Qin Shi Huang should be called Qin the Great since he conquered all under heaven, China's known civilized world. Why do Americans call their baseball championship the World Series? Ethnocentrism exists today as it did in Greek society. See what I mean? Historical fallacies annoy me.

you are not entirely accurate.

 

[amalakas]

4478 chinese nationals are no onboard two Greek ships in Libya .

just to keep you up to date

 

[marshall]

What Anglo-Jewish alliance are you talking about? Greece became a backwater centuries ago on its own, then stayed there
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Sparta has next to no influence on the legacy of Greek Civilization. Greek Civilization owes its legacy to Athens, and some other minor city states.
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Roman Civilization has its roots in the Etruscan Civilization which was contempory with the Greek Civilization. The Roman Empire began by Rome conquering Etruscan city states. Rome's expansion eventually reached the southern Italian peninsula where it started absorbing city states that were
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Concerning Alexander the Great. The famous statement "Alexander the Great conquered the known world" is an oxymoron yet people use it to boost
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you are not entirely accurate.

I sort of oversimplified the influence on the Byzantine Empire but it's largely correct to say it wasn't simply a Greek influenced phenomenon like that guy was suggesting. Concerning Alexander the Great, 90% of that was basically the conquering of the Persian Empire but the myth goes on that he conquered the known world. A self-evident ethnocentric myth that was started by ancient Greeks which is today quoted by historians even though it made no sense even during ancient Greek times.

 

[amalakas]

I sort of oversimplified the influence on the Byzantine Empire but it's largely correct to say it wasn't simply a Greek influenced phenomenon like that guy was suggesting. Concerning Alexander the Great, 90% of that was basically the conquering of the Persian Empire but the myth goes on that he conquered the known world. A self-evident myth that was started by ancient Greeks which is today quoted by historians even though it made no sense even during ancient Greek times.

You have to remember that Greeks were in contact with people as far north as England and Germany, and Rome was but in its baby steps back then,
Alexander conquered the "important" known world, you believe that there was a reason for Alexander to go North or west instead of east ?
what would be the point?

all the important kingdoms were in the east/south, there was nothing but nomads to the north/west.


and the Byzantine empire was mostly Greek, multicultural as indeed any empire, but essentially Greek ..

 

[marshall]

You have to remember that Greeks were in contact with people as far north as England and Germany, and Rome was but in its baby steps back then,
Alexander conquered the "important" known world, you believe that there was a reason for Alexander to go North or west instead of east ?
what would be the point?

all the important kingdoms were in the east/south, there was nothing but nomads to the north/west.

This makes more sense. I would accept this if this were the way historians portray it but it's not and important civilizations like the Etruscans are completely ignored as if they never existed. This is a shame because they are one of the roots of European Civilization.

and the Byzantine empire was mostly Greek, multicultural as indeed any empire, but essentially Greek ..

Agreed here, but that guy was suggesting it was a wholely Greek thing when it was not. The Byzantine Empire was geographically centered in the former eastern parts of the Roman Empire so naturally its capital and center revolved around the Hellenic cultures and Greek speaking regions. This does not however make it a Greek only entity since its roots were from Rome and it was a Mediterranean basin melting pot. I should point out that Greek speaking regions in those days was much larger than present day Greece. Hellenic peoples stretched throughout the Balkans and much of Anatolia but once the Ottomans came to power they basically crushed Greek influence and reduced Greece to less than half the size of what it should be. A good case can be made for a lot of southeast Europeans as being ancient Greeks since they once resided in Greece but over time assimilated into the cultures of the national borders they were forced into.

 

[amalakas]

This makes more sense. I would accept this if this were the way historians portray it but it's not and important civilizations like the Etruscans are completely ignored as if they never existed. This is a shame because they are one of the roots of European Civilization.


Agreed here, but that guy was suggesting it was a wholely Greek thing when it was not. The Byzantine Empire was geographically centered in the former eastern parts of the Roman Empire so naturally its capital and center revolved around the Hellenic cultures and Greek speaking regions. This does not however make it a Greek only entity since its roots were from Rome and it was a Mediterranean basin melting pot. I should point out that Greek speaking regions in those days was much larger than present day Greece. Hellenic peoples stretched throughout the Balkans and much of Anatolia but once the Ottomans came to power they basically crushed Greek influence and reduced Greece to less than half the size of what it should be. A good case can be made for a lot of southeast Europeans as being ancient Greeks since they once resided in Greece but over time assimilated into the cultures of the national borders they were forced into.

very touchy subject, It is one of these that "taboo" sticks on very nicely

although you will find the opposite argument used quite freely, this is a taboo.

 

[cloneman]

Thank you,Greece!

 

[ao333]

Amalakas, it's the investor mentality. If the Chinese buys your bonds, investor confidence increases knowing that a backer as large as China is adding assurance to their investment. Conversely, if the Chinese makes a statement about the worsening Greek debt ratings, who would dare touch that?

Think Goldman Sachs.