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[mike2000 is back]

Turkey kicked it self out from f35.. Now its left with what options !

Well, at least they got the S-400 air defence system. So guess for them it's a better deal than the F-35 overall.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Now their option is very limited . SU -35 or SU- 57 is better than nothing. Now they may acquire more ADs. Ballistic missile deterrence is a must. Now they should improve missile capabilities to eliminate any threat within hours.

It's true that when it comes to fighter jets, Turkeys has few to no options. It's either they go Russian or Chinese (highly unlikely). So they don't have much choice in this aspect to be honest. It depends on their leaders view about their foreign policy and threat they face. So I believe they alone know why they choose to risk everything for the S-400

 

[nomi007]

They will recover money from a stupid customer.

 

[MMM-E]

It's true that when it comes to fighter jets, Turkeys has few to no options. It's either they go Russian or Chinese (highly unlikely). So they don't have much choice in this aspect to be honest. It depends on their leaders view about their foreign policy and threat they face. So I believe they alone know why they choose to risk everything for the S-400

better to produce 1.000 of land based ATMACA Cruise Missiles and BORA Ballistic Missiles to destroy all Air bases and jet hangars in Greece and Greek Islands in hours during a conflict


1.000 of land based ATMACA Cruise Missiles and BORA Ballistic Missiles = less than $1 billion

and no need American permission , no need Pilot , no need operation coast and maintenance but great deterrence


btw if needed , Turkiye can activite S400 Air Defense Systems in 48 hours to turn RAFALEs into crap of metal
also Turkish SIPER long range and high altitude Air Defense System will be ready in 2023
and Turkish HISAR-O Air Defense System is ready to intercept Fighter Jets and Cruise Missiles

 

[mike2000 is back]

better to produce 1.000 of land based ATMACA Cruise Missiles and BORA Ballistic Missiles to destroy all Air bases and jet hangars in Greece and Greek Islands in hours during a conflict


1.000 of land based ATMACA Cruise Missiles and BORA Ballistic Missiles = less than $1 billion

and no need American permission , no need Pilot , no need operation coast and maintenance but great deterrence


btw if needed , Turkiye can activite S400 Air Defense Systems in 48 hours to turn RAFALEs into crap of metal
also Turkish SIPER long range and high altitude Air Defense System will be ready in 2023
and Turkish HISAR-O Air Defense System is ready to intercept Fighter Jets and Cruise Missiles

So Turkey should go the Iranian way and focus on air defences and ballistic missiles, and forget about building a potent/credible air force since it's not that important.

 

[azbaroj]

Greece never can match with regional super power Turkiye

Brother, Greece is not a problem at all for Turkey. Now mediterranean is volatile, Here Greece is not alone. Turkey has to face some formidable Navies and Air forces including French , Israel, Egypt etc.
Forbs write,
"Israel also opposes Turkey’s moves in the Eastern Mediterranean. In late 2019, Turkish naval forces intercepted and drove back an Israeli research vessel operating near Cyprus. Israel reportedly responded by sending aircraft to circle over a Turkish drilling ship near Cyprus in a clear show of force. "

 

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So Turkey should go the Iranian way and focus on air defences and ballistic missiles then and forget about air force since it's not that important.

Now Turkish Airforce has 192 F-16 block50+/52 and 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs to protect Turkish Airspace and MAVI VATAN ( Blue homeland )


also QATAR is with Turkiye and Qatar buys 36 F-15QA , 36 Rafales and 24 Eurofighters ... Qatar can deploy most modern Fighter Jets in Turkiye against bandit Greece-Egypt

and Turkiye develops its own TFX Fighter Jet .... even in 2029 , 4,5+ generation TFX Fighter Jet will be enough to match with Greek F-16V and Rafale , also Egyptian SU-35 and Rafale

 

[MMM-E]

Brother, Greece is not a problem at all for Turkey. Now mediterranean is volatile, Here Greece is not alone. Turkey has to face some formidable Navies and Air forces including French , Israel, Egypt etc.
Forbs write,
"Israel also opposes Turkey’s moves in the Eastern Mediterranean. In late 2019, Turkish naval forces intercepted and drove back an Israeli research vessel operating near Cyprus. Israel reportedly responded by sending aircraft to circle over a Turkish drilling ship near Cyprus in a clear show of force. "

1) Israel use the Uae as a pawn to fight Turkiye .... . nothing else
2) France only can use Greece and Egypt as pawns to fight Turkiye ... nothing else

so Turkiye has enough power to protect its rights against Israel-France backed alliance ( greece-egypt-the uae ) in the Eastern Mediterranean

 

[azbaroj]

So Turkey should go the Iranian way and focus on air defences and ballistic missiles, and forget about building a potent/credible air force since it's not that important.

Not like this dude , missiles + ADs + 5th generation TF-X will make Turkey much more capable.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Now Turkish Airforce has 192 F-16 block50+/52 and 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs to protect Turkish Airspace and MAVI VATAN ( Blue homeland )


also QATAR is with Turkiye and Qatar buys 36 F-15QA , 36 Rafales and 24 Eurofighters ... Qatar can deploy most modern Fighter Jets in Turkiye against bandit Greece-Egypt

Ok if you say so. However all your fighters are still western made fighter jets and depends on your relations remaining friendly with the West. So you guys have to make sure you keep that relations for it not to deteriorate to a point of no return.

 

[mike2000 is back]

and Turkiye develops its own TFX Fighter Jet .... even in 2029 , 4,5+ generation TFX Fighter Jet will be enough to match with Greek F-16V and Rafale , also Egyptian SU-35 and Rafale

Again even this depend on relations remaining friendly with the West. Since western companies will be helping in this project. Turkey can't produce a 5th generation fighter jets by herself. So Turkey needs to bare this in mind.

 

[MMM-E]

Again even this depend on relations remaining friendly with the West. Since western companies will be helping in this project. Turkey can't produce a 5th generation fighter jets by herself. So Turkey needs to bare this in mind.

Turkiye by herself can produce 4,5+ generation fighter jet with turbofan engine until 2030

and I am saying again even 4,5+ generation TFX Fighter Jet will be enough to match with Greek F-16V and Rafale , also Egyptian SU-35 and Rafale

also by 2023 Turkish MIUS jet engine powered UCAV will be developed to carry AESA Radar and 280 km SOM Cruise Missile for SEAD role .. even SOM-C variant to hit moving Warships

also Turkiye has developed 65km GOKDOGAN air to air missile .. and now Turkiye develops RAMJET powered long range networked air to air missile AKDOGAN ( similar to METEOR ) to carry by MIUS UCAVs in future for BVR combat


so Turkiye can produce 70 MIUS jet engine powered UCAVs until 2030

 

[Sunny4pak]

Turkey & Greece Tensions | Greece and Turkey's Mediterranean Standoff?

 

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Ok if you say so. However all your fighters are still western made fighter jets and depends on your relations remaining friendly with the West. So you guys have to make sure you keep that relations for it not to deteriorate to a point of no return.

Turkiye doesnt attack the West , but the West attack Turkiye .....
even the West should say Thanks to Turkiye who saved Europe from 4 million Syrian Refugees ..... and in NATO only Turkish Army fought against ISIS and Turkiye blocked over 70.000 foreign fighters to enter Syria for joining ISIS



and if Turkiye ally with Russia,Iran,Pakistan,China , then bye bye the US,the UK in the Middle East , in the Eastern Mediterranean and in the Black Sea

Do you think Turkiye has NO money to buy Russian-Chinese weapons ? only between 2012-2020 Turkiye spent over $60 billion for humanitarian aid to muslim countries

Turkiye would buy 250 of SU-35 and MIG-35 Fighter Jets with thousands of air to air missiles and supersonic cruise missiles also more 10 of S400 Air Defense System batteries and dozens of BASTION supersonic coastal defense missiles for $45 billion



but Turkiye develops around 700 military projects for over $60 billion

 

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Will the Ex-French Rafales be upgraded or are they already at F3?