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Not really. Because i am not accusing of anybody. Social media is not meant to promote accusation without evidence to back with nor promote racial war either.
Pmpn,s media team used social media to promote animosity against army,pti and certain media channels fake news were spread by that team do they have no shame?
 
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The internet can never be controlled. All it will do is make the difference between democracy and dictatorship less clear, and lose PML N supporters in the process.
 
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You haven't done your part yet or maybe it has no made no impact on anything? Coz just venting out doesn't really help. Its an assumption on your part that i am defending an unethical and corrupt government,
Not a assumption on my part but what you said:
There is so much hatred against GOP in this thread.

May Allah protect Pakistan and Pakistan's leadership, ameen.

So you want Allah to protect a corrupt and unethical leadership?

but lets just keep it that was as it serves your purpose of posting implicitly about PML(N) however I am not here to satisfy your requests in any way, but i can guide you since you need that desperately in many ways. Write a letter to the Senate Chairman, the Parliament speaker and the Prime Minister, explain your concerns and give an appropriate solution where necessary. I am sure you will not do that, all you can so is just rant and spout here.
Rest assured i have no purpose as i am not the one behind Panama or any other case directly implicating Nawaz with corruption and money laundering. It is only Allah's wish that such cases came to light and exposed nawaz and his cult for what they are. I explicitly gave you the example of South Korean President but than South Korea does not have morons who would come out and defend a corrupt person. Rather they would send him/her packing.

Calling me a moron makes your argument look pathetic, illogical and groundless. Conversely, you can definitely remove the blindfold and ear plugs which makes you think that governments are based on truth. Let me soothe down your nerves again, write that letter, also include the money laundering, constant lying and paying no taxes agenda in that letter. Although i hold no expectations from you, none whatsoever, as i do feel that you are not up to this simple task even though the exasperation in your words speaks volumes what you are going through.
Called you a moron because your post lacked substance and it hasnt changed since than. You tried to picture the entire governments of the world in the same class as your thugs with nooracracy are in Pakistan, i merely asked you to show me a single evidence where government would lie and than shamelessly defend those lies? Clition had to apologise after Monica Lewinsky scandal, he did not shamelessly defended it and called it a threat against democracy. Michael Flynn resigned after he lied about links with Russia. He did not defended it and called it a conspiracy by the opposition. I can give you many other examples but would it matter?
Your PM lied on the floor of the parliament and latter his own lawyers called it a political statement. But instead of raising your voice against it, you are shamelessly defending it and accusing others who do of being having a malafide intent? But than again I am not surprised as shame is the last thing we expect from the likes of Nawaz and his version of democracy supporters.

Being a patriotic Pakistani, i have done my part of generosity of showing you a way to assist you with your complains. use the pen, rest the tongue, try it. Dont quote me again, unless you write that letter coz Talk is cheap mate, prayers are not and all you have done is gibbering and jabbering.
There is nothing patriotic about what you are doing. Lets be clear about it. Being a patriotic Pakistani you should had raised your voice against a PM who lied on the floor of the parliament, who could not provide any evidence about his wealth other than a letter from Qattari Prince nor could he prove how the wealth was sent abroad and how much tax was paid on that money.
As for writing letters, you want me to write letters to persons who are part of the problem themselves, who are directly involved in corruption and money laundering and you expect that they would actually listen and work on any of the solutions? Are you that naive? Let me refresh your memory last time a reference was submitted to the Speaker of the national assembly against NS it was rejected while the one against IK and Jahangir was sent to EC. Try to come up with a better advice next time you felt such generosity.:disagree:
 
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Nawaz Sharif, Afghan Taliban, Blasphemy Law, MQM are the product of the establishment. It has always been that way and judging by recent events, it will remain the same judging by the forced power-sharing agreement against the wills of democratically elected government.

The establishment didn't spare PPP, hanged Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto to death. Then the establishment almost hanged Nawaz Sharif to death rescued by Saudi Arabia.

The accountability on the establishment has always been unheard, and even today, Musharraf got away due to vested efforts by General Raheel.

Cyber crime is initiative to prevent false propaganda or racial war. Basically, it is anti-disinformation for good reasons. Similarity, the establishment has similar unwritten laws where certain figures are jailed for treason, or hanged to death legally or abducted for criticizing the establishments which most of them were the cases in regards to Balochistan during the ruling of Musharraf.

Heck, they didn't even spare the sister of the Founder of Pakistan in late 50s. Are you going to deny the truth?



They need someone to blame on. That has always been their card. Whenever their plans go wrong, they end up scapegoating someone else, in this case, Pakistan to hide their incompetency.

USA army failed miserably in Afghanistan, ended up making peace deal with Afghan Taliban leaving Afghanistan as exit-strategy on Pakistan to take care off the mess.

Establishment is reversing the mistakes of past by not taking sides anymore.

Bhutto hanging is questionable but it created Benazir! Another rouge politician. And then Zardari, the traitor. PPP is damaged to the extent that central power i doubt would ever return to.

MQM is broken now and has lost the power it had. Altaf is under control.

Nawaz is alive, another Dictator (out if the lap of one) who doesn't believe in the ABC of democracy. His time is up.

That's -3, undoing of mistakes of past.

Afghan Taliban's were the need of those times with limited resources Pak had and we had no choice but to fight USSR for our own survival. We were not a nuclear nation then either. This group is being managed now by China, Russia and Pakistan now and will be forced to become moderate in due course.
 
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I think it is good initiative. I don't think people understand freedom of speech and expression very well. That's why you see allegations all the times without evidence to back with. Even Imran Khan challenges the government and his people to prove him wrong even though Imran Khan is the one to hurl baseless allegation like gossip.

No government should tolerate baseless allegation and must set example to avoid confusion. Due to the very same reason why racial war that could have blown was averted peacefully. There are tons of people that cannot wait to spread disinformation, cast allegation without evidence and eager to promote racial wars through social media.

Cyber crime is good initiative and it is being used all over the worlds to prevent anarchy aka fitna. Don't see how freedom of speech and expression are in danger. The platform is there to spread information, not to misuse for political agenda. Unfortunately, misusing freedom of speech has been the case recently especially by Imran Khan and his political party.
U spend so much tym supporting a corrupt leader ( Not PM :D) . do u live on unemployment benefit ?
BTW no government should tolerate baseless allegations . at least have some shame writing that . our PM and family named all over the world for corruption . he is not accused by imran khan .

If he was honest like imrankhan . he would have presented all record but shamelessly using law and institutions to save him
 
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U spend so much tym supporting a corrupt leader ( Not PM :D) . do u live on unemployment benefit ?
BTW no government should tolerate baseless allegations . at least have some shame writing that . our PM and family named all over the world for corruption . he is not accused by imran khan .

If he was honest like imrankhan . he would have presented all record but shamelessly using law and institutions to save him

It is not about supporting corrupt government as it is about supporting stability.

Of course, you already implied without hearing my side of story so i take it anything i say is likely to fall on deaf ears i presume.

Personal tactics is only your hope since that tactics you are employing boils down to the similar reasons for repeatedly u-turns which you guys turn to PMLN as comparison analysis as last resort in order to evade the topic which is clearly the case here. :D

Establishment is reversing the mistakes of past by not taking sides anymore.

Bhutto hanging is questionable but it created Benazir! Another rouge politician. And then Zardari, the traitor. PPP is damaged to the extent that central power i doubt would ever return to.

Because of Establishment, Bhutto became icon, legacy for the future generation of Bhutto, hence Benazir.

Zardari came to the powers through the deals with Musharraf for his exit-strategy which leaves much interpretation wide open in regards to suspicious timing of the murder of Benazir Bhutto.

MQM is broken now and has lost the power it had. Altaf is under control.

Yes, thanks to PMLN. PMLN has huge history of launching military operation against MQM, and it was not coincident why recent military operation launched under PMLN with the cooperation of General Raheel sealed the fate of MQM.

Bear in mind that MQM was also dying in late 90s at the hand of PMLN until Musharraf's illegaly takeover revived MQM and allowed Karachi to progress in ruins.

Nawaz is alive, another Dictator (out if the lap of one) who doesn't believe in the ABC of democracy. His time is up.

Nawaz Sharif is democratically elected government. Meaning people chose him. And people chose him three times despite the presence of the establishment. Whereas for the establishment, they are dictators that imposed the authority many times against the wills of people.

Do you understand the different between dictatorship and democracy? The establishment is anti-democracy, not democratically elected government that is counting on the public votes for the next election as well.


That's -3, undoing of mistakes of past.

Afghan Taliban's were the need of those times with limited resources Pak had and we had no choice but to fight USSR for our own survival. We were not a nuclear nation then either. This group is being managed now by China, Russia and Pakistan now and will be forced to become moderate in due course.

Except everything that happened to Pakistan because of the establishment. The establishment took the control from the beginning, defamed the sister of the founder of Pakistan, hanged Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto to death, launched Blasphemy law, intervened and interrupted the process of democracy repeatedly including the recent year of 2014 that forced power-sharing agreement upon the democratically elected government against his wills.

Even today, the establishment controls the foreign policy. Because of the establishment, the democracy couldn't enjoy its stability and you complain why the democracy is unstable.

Nope this is just babooni chutiyapa they make shitup like this with zero evidence to back it up


Lol pmln was born in womb of dictatorship they got a hell lot of help in the 90,s from isi dont diss papa isi baboon leagis :D

Pay attention to the quote. I feel like i might be debating with the clueless member. No offense.

Nawaz Sharif, Afghan Taliban, Blasphemy Law, MQM are the product of the establishment. It has always been that way and judging by recent events, it will remain the same judging by the forced power-sharing agreement against the wills of democratically elected government.

Pmpn,s media team used social media to promote animosity against army,pti and certain media channels fake news were spread by that team do they have no shame?

Such as? It would be nice to have examples. Lately, there has been false news based on the rumors.
 
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It is not about supporting corrupt government as it is about supporting stability.

Of course, you already implied without hearing my side of story so i take it anything i say is likely to fall on deaf ears i presume.

Personal tactics is only your hope since that tactics you are employing boils down to the similar reasons for repeatedly u-turns which you guys turn to PMLN as comparison analysis last resort in order to evade the topic which is clearly the case here. :D



Because of Establishment, Bhutto became icon, legacy for the future generation of Bhutto, hence Benazir.

Zardari came to the powers through the deals with Musharraf for his exit-strategy which leaves much interpretation wide open in regards to suspicious timing of the murder of Benazir Bhutto.



Yes, thanks to PMLN. PMLN has huge history of launching military operation against MQM, and it was not coincident why recent military operation launched under PMLN with the cooperation of General Raheel sealed the fate of MQM.

Bear in mind that MQM was also dying in late 90s at the hand of PMLN until Musharraf's illegaly takeover revived MQM and allowed Karachi to progress in ruins.



Nawaz Sharif is democratically elected government. Meaning people chose him. And people chose him three times despite the presence of the establishment. Whereas for the establishment, they are dictators that imposed the authority many times against the wills of people.

Do you understand the different between dictatorship and democracy? The establishment is anti-democracy, not democratically elected government that is counting on the public votes for the next election as well.




Except everything that happened to Pakistan because of the establishment. The establishment took the control from the beginning, defamed the sister of the founder of Pakistan, hanged Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto to death, launched Blasphemy law, intervened and interrupted the process of democracy repeatedly including the recent year of 2014 that forced power-sharing agreement upon the democratically elected government against his wills.

Even today, the establishment controls the foreign policy. Because of the establishment, the democracy couldn't enjoy its stability and you complain why the democracy is unstable.



Pay attention to the quote. I feel like i might be debating with the clueless member. No offense.

Nawaz Sharif, Afghan Taliban, Blasphemy Law, MQM are the product of the establishment. It has always been that way and judging by recent events, it will remain the same judging by the forced power-sharing agreement against the wills of democratically elected government.
Democracy also means FREEDOM OF SPEECH but these words are alien to Zia,s broodlings

It is not about supporting corrupt government as it is about supporting stability.

Of course, you already implied without hearing my side of story so i take it anything i say is likely to fall on deaf ears i presume.

Personal tactics is only your hope since that tactics you are employing boils down to the similar reasons for repeatedly u-turns which you guys turn to PMLN as comparison analysis last resort in order to evade the topic which is clearly the case here. :D



Because of Establishment, Bhutto became icon, legacy for the future generation of Bhutto, hence Benazir.

Zardari came to the powers through the deals with Musharraf for his exit-strategy which leaves much interpretation wide open in regards to suspicious timing of the murder of Benazir Bhutto.



Yes, thanks to PMLN. PMLN has huge history of launching military operation against MQM, and it was not coincident why recent military operation launched under PMLN with the cooperation of General Raheel sealed the fate of MQM.

Bear in mind that MQM was also dying in late 90s at the hand of PMLN until Musharraf's illegaly takeover revived MQM and allowed Karachi to progress in ruins.



Nawaz Sharif is democratically elected government. Meaning people chose him. And people chose him three times despite the presence of the establishment. Whereas for the establishment, they are dictators that imposed the authority many times against the wills of people.

Do you understand the different between dictatorship and democracy? The establishment is anti-democracy, not democratically elected government that is counting on the public votes for the next election as well.




Except everything that happened to Pakistan because of the establishment. The establishment took the control from the beginning, defamed the sister of the founder of Pakistan, hanged Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto to death, launched Blasphemy law, intervened and interrupted the process of democracy repeatedly including the recent year of 2014 that forced power-sharing agreement upon the democratically elected government against his wills.

Even today, the establishment controls the foreign policy. Because of the establishment, the democracy couldn't enjoy its stability and you complain why the democracy is unstable.



Pay attention to the quote. I feel like i might be debating with the clueless member. No offense.

Nawaz Sharif, Afghan Taliban, Blasphemy Law, MQM are the product of the establishment. It has always been that way and judging by recent events, it will remain the same judging by the forced power-sharing agreement against the wills of democratically elected government.



Such as? It would be nice to have examples. Lately, there has been false news based on the rumors.
Exhibit A Cyril Almeida,s source
Exhibit B Recent bashing of RS by ptv b team Geo
 
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Democracy also means FREEDOM OF SPEECH but these words are alien to Zia,s broodlings


Exhibit A Cyril Almeida,s source
Exhibit B Recent bashing of RS by ptv b team Geo

Freedom of speech doesn't mean resort to accusation without evidence and promote racial wars. It appears you lacks the understanding of freedom of speech and expression. Cyber laws also exits all over the worlds including North America.

You do know that it is people's support that brought Nawaz Sharif to the power; three times to be precise. Although, his first two terms were interrupted by the establishment. And PMLN is likely to win the next election due to people's support again. It appears PTI is failing to understand the democracy very well.

Exhibit A and B. Sources please. :D
 
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Freedom of speech doesn't mean resort to accusation without evidence and promote racial wars. It appears you lacks the understanding of freedom of speech and expression. Cyber laws also exits all over the worlds including North America.

You do know that it is people's support that brought Nawaz Sharif to the power; three times to be precise. Although, his first two terms were interrupted by the establishment. And PMLN is likely to win the next election due to people's support again. It appears PTI is failing to understand the democracy very well.

Exhibit A and B. Sources please. :D
Oh panama case is without evidence really?
The proof is out they have been named by them not Ik
Racial wars hmm kind of like jag punjabi jag teri pag wich lag gaya dagh :D
If someone calls Erdogan corrupt and he jails him what do you call Erdogan?
Anti free speech dictator same thing here they threatened to criminalize criticism of the govt
People support lol it was isi,s ashirwaad in the 90,s :D
Dont you read news?
Pervaiz Rawshit was fired because of this case
 
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Oh panama case is without evidence really?
The proof is out they have been named by them not Ik
Racial wars hmm kind of like jag punjabi jag teri pag wich lag gaya dagh :D
If someone calls Erdogan corrupt and he jails him what do you call Erdogan?
Anti free speech dictator same thing here they threatened to criminalize criticism of the govt
People support lol it was isi,s ashirwaad in the 90,s :D
Dont you read news?
Pervaiz Rawshit was fired because of this case

Do you understand what is Panama case? It is revelation, not evidence. There is no trace that can ties to the Panama case. That is why Panama case is at best bragging rights and even today, case is still on-going.

If somebody calls Erdogan corrupt and fails to provide evidence, then the accuser will be sentenced to jail. Just like if somebody accuse you of criminal in public and fails to provide the evidence, that accuser will be jailed. That is called common sense which has been there for the long time long before we were born and long that prevails after we die.

As i said, you lack the basic understanding of freedom of speech and expression.

In Canada, we have system 'Presumption of Innocent'.

In Canada, section 11(d) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms states: "Any person charged with an offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal".

Whereas for the accusers, if they failed to prove, then they are in trouble including the potential sues from the accused party as well. There has been extensive debate on this topic not long ago and probably traces back to Panama threads.

Imran Khan is idiot. Why? In his opinion, he can accuse against certain figure and expect certain figure to prove their innocent. That's how idiot Imran Khan is and his understanding on Justice system that contradicts to the real Justice system. And that is the man you want in the power. :D
 
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Do you understand what is Panama case? It is revelation, not evidence. There is no trace that can ties to the Panama case. That is why Panama case is at best bragging rights and even today, case is still on-going.

If somebody calls Erdogan corrupt and fails to provide evidence, then the accuser will be sentenced to jail. Just like if somebody accuse you of criminal in public and fails to provide the evidence, that accuser will be jailed. That is called common sense which has been there for the long time long before we were born and long that prevails after we die.

As i said, you lack the basic understanding of freedom of speech and expression.

In Canada, we have system 'Presumption of Innocent'.

In Canada, section 11(d) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms states: "Any person charged with an offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal".

Whereas for the accusers, if they failed to prove, then they are in trouble including the potential sues from the accused party as well. There has been extensive debate on this topic not long ago and probably traces back to Panama threads.

Imran Khan is idiot. Why? In his opinion, he can accuse against certain figure and expect certain figure to prove their innocent. That's how idiot Imran Khan is and his understanding on Justice system that contradicts to the real Justice system. And that is the man you want in the power. :D
Panama papers r real papers not fake fudge or somebody made at home .Nobody challenged them anywhere around the world .These papers were part of record that law firm has .
In canada two days ago RBC acted againest 400 account holders who were canadian nationals and theior name were in papers .Ravenue Canada hired 100 more agents to deal with 600 ppl who mentioned in Panama paper None of them came out and said its conspricy agianest them by Canadian Govt .
IK knows what he is talking about and NS and family also know that ur just doing theior dirty work that its Sazish this or that its called deflection nothing more .
Case in SC is not criminal its first step after this verdict there will be criminal investigation againest Dar and sharif family over Hadibia paper mill statement .This verdict will paveway for criminal investigation and money landering .If in this verdict if NS fails to prove his innocence then crime has happened .
Burden of proof was on NS shoulders they admitted they owned those flats Alhamdolillah remember Hussain Nawaz .?U acept it now you have to prove from where money came not on shoulders of IK or Sheikh rasheed.
 
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When we will have proper democracy then you will say that Nawaz's time in power was nothing like democracy.

Elections alone is not democracy, that your who argument is based on!
 
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