Govt to try Imran under cybercrime, defamation laws

[Finer]

When we will have proper democracy then you will say that Nawaz's time in power was nothing like democracy.

Elections alone is not democracy, that your who argument is based on!

Election is the criteria of public votes. After the death of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), oral election was started which mass majority voted for Abu Bakr (R.A). Similarity, the written vote is cast during the election to determine the choice of majority. Democracy means majority rules whether it is oral or ballot [cast votes].

What is your definition of proper democracy? We are all ears.

Panama papers r real papers not fake fudge or somebody made at home .Nobody challenged them anywhere around the world .These papers were part of record that law firm has .
In canada two days ago RBC acted againest 400 account holders who were canadian nationals and theior name were in papers .Ravenue Canada hired 100 more agents to deal with 600 ppl who mentioned in Panama paper None of them came out and said its conspricy agianest them by Canadian Govt .
IK knows what he is talking about and NS and family also know that ur just doing theior dirty work that its Sazish this or that its called deflection nothing more .
Case in SC is not criminal its first step after this verdict there will be criminal investigation againest Dar and sharif family over Hadibia paper mill statement .This verdict will paveway for criminal investigation and money landering .If in this verdict if NS fails to prove his innocence then crime has happened .
Burden of proof was on NS shoulders they admitted they owned those flats Alhamdolillah remember Hussain Nawaz .?U acept it now you have to prove from where money came not on shoulders of IK or Sheikh rasheed.

Despite with the nagging, you still failed to understand the crucial point.

Do you understand what is Panama case? It is revelation, not evidence. There is no trace that can ties to the Panama case. That is why Panama case is at best bragging rights and even today, case is still on-going.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Do you understand what is Panama case? It is revelation, not evidence. There is no trace that can ties to the Panama case. That is why Panama case is at best bragging rights and even today, case is still on-going.

If somebody calls Erdogan corrupt and fails to provide evidence, then the accuser will be sentenced to jail. Just like if somebody accuse you of criminal in public and fails to provide the evidence, that accuser will be jailed. That is called common sense which has been there for the long time long before we were born and long that prevails after we die.

As i said, you lack the basic understanding of freedom of speech and expression.

In Canada, we have system 'Presumption of Innocent'.

In Canada, section 11(d) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms states: "Any person charged with an offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal".

Whereas for the accusers, if they failed to prove, then they are in trouble including the potential sues from the accused party as well. There has been extensive debate on this topic not long ago and probably traces back to Panama threads.

Imran Khan is idiot. Why? In his opinion, he can accuse against certain figure and expect certain figure to prove their innocent. That's how idiot Imran Khan is and his understanding on Justice system that contradicts to the real Justice system. And that is the man you want in the power.

Well from you post, i can tell you its not IK that is an idiot, its you and all the other baboons who are so brain dead that they can't tell the difference between criminal laws and corporate laws. Below is a quote from another thread, have a read through it if you actually want to understand what laws are.

Illicit enrichment – wealth of public officials that is manifestly out of proportion to his or her present or past official emolument – is criminalized in Bangladesh; Hong Kong, China; India; Malaysia; Nepal; Pakistan; the Philippines and Singapore. To enhance the effectiveness of this provision, India, Malaysia, Nepal, Pakistan and the Philippines have shifted the burden of proof to the accused.

You can also read the document on OECD.ORG: Sanctioning and Prosecuting Corruption and Related Offenses - OECD

Below is an incident from our Islamic history where Hazrat Umer was accused to taking piece of cloth from the treasury. He didn't reply to prove it that he took anything extra, but provided proof for his innocence. Read it and maybe you will learn something

http://www.alim.org/library/biography/khalifa/content/KUM/17/9

 

[Finer]

Well from you post, i can tell you its not IK that is an idiot, its you and all the other baboons who are so brain dead that they can't tell the difference between criminal laws and corporate laws. Below is a quote from another thread, have a read through it if you actually want to understand what laws are.

Imran Khan is still idiot, no offense. 100% Donald Trump aka u-turn.

Illicit enrichment – wealth of public officials that is manifestly out of proportion to his or her present or past official emolument – is criminalized in Bangladesh; Hong Kong, China; India; Malaysia; Nepal; Pakistan; the Philippines and Singapore. To enhance the effectiveness of this provision, India, Malaysia, Nepal, Pakistan and the Philippines have shifted the burden of proof to the accused.

You can also read the document on OECD.ORG: Sanctioning and Prosecuting Corruption and Related Offenses - OECD

That varies from the laws of each nations. I will get back to this topic later after studying the report.

Below is an incident from our Islamic history where Hazrat Umer was accused to taking piece of cloth from the treasury. He didn't reply to prove it that he took anything extra, but provided proof for his innocence. Read it and maybe you will learn something

http://www.alim.org/library/biography/khalifa/content/KUM/17/9

That is example of piece of cloth. Money or illegal money falls into different category. Let's say if i am accused of having illegal money, how do i prove that i don't have illegal money? In response, they say i have corporate account stored in oversea, and i say i don't have it, yet i am asked to provide the corporate account i don't have. How do i do it? Now you see my point.

There is reason why money laundering become so effective that it is hard to prove without trail, and even then, if you find it and that is only due to the stupidity of people who are in charge of money laundering. So the case depends on people making mistake in order to be detected on radar.

Is it safe to assume that Imran Khan should be accused of having kid out of wedlock and onus is on him to prove his innocent clearing the allegation meted out by DNA test and if proved that indeed that is his kid, should be disqualified from the next election for the leadership?

 

[Zibago]

Do you understand what is Panama case? It is revelation, not evidence. There is no trace that can ties to the Panama case. That is why Panama case is at best bragging rights and even today, case is still on-going.

If somebody calls Erdogan corrupt and fails to provide evidence, then the accuser will be sentenced to jail. Just like if somebody accuse you of criminal in public and fails to provide the evidence, that accuser will be jailed. That is called common sense which has been there for the long time long before we were born and long that prevails after we die.

As i said, you lack the basic understanding of freedom of speech and expression.

In Canada, we have system 'Presumption of Innocent'.

In Canada, section 11(d) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms states: "Any person charged with an offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal".

Whereas for the accusers, if they failed to prove, then they are in trouble including the potential sues from the accused party as well. There has been extensive debate on this topic not long ago and probably traces back to Panama threads.

Imran Khan is idiot. Why? In his opinion, he can accuse against certain figure and expect certain figure to prove their innocent. That's how idiot Imran Khan is and his understanding on Justice system that contradicts to the real Justice system. And that is the man you want in the power.

Pqnama papers revealed how baboon used to his stint as pm in the 90,s to siphon off cash from Pakistan and establish businesses abroad
Oh dont make shit up if you say Traedu is a corrupt Muslom loving commie on the internet you will not be arrested for it in Canada,US,UK,Australia or Denmark not even India jails people for
criticism of govt this only happens in Arab monarchies and african dictatorships keep making shitup
What you posted about canada doesnot make my point invalid so cut the democracy crap

Hey remember when Zardari was called chor and what not boy you baboons are hypocrites of nth order

Imran Khan is still idiot, no offense. 100% Donald Trump aka u-turn.



That varies from the laws of each nations. I will get back to this topic later after studying the report.



That is example of piece of cloth. Money or illegal money falls into different category. Let's say if i am accused of having illegal money, how do i prove that i don't have illegal money? In response, they say i have corporate account stored in oversea, and i say i don't have it, yet i am asked to provide the corporate account i don't have. How do i do it? Now you see my point.

There is reason why money laundering become so effective that it is hard to prove without trail, and even then, if you find it and that is only due to the stupidity of people who are in charge of money laundering. So the case depends on people making mistake in order to be detected on radar.

Is it safe to assume that Imran Khan should be accused of having kid out of wedlock and onus is on him to prove his innocent clearing the allegation meted out by DNA test and if proved, should be disqualified from the next election for the leadership?

Haha donald trump is Amriki Baboon Butt
Same shit he tpp uses his politcal power to increase his business power,his daughter is also using papa,s position to increase wealth,he value personal relations with enemy nation,s leader more than national interests just like modi and nawaz ,he too has issues with criticism by certain channels kind of nawaz tolla has with ARY oh and he too called protestors people who dont believe in democracy

 

[Finer]

Pqnama papers revealed how baboon used to his stint as pm in the 90,s to siphon off cash from Pakistan and establish businesses abroad
Oh dont make shit up if you say Traedu is a corrupt Muslom loving commie on the internet you will not be arrested for it in Canada,US,UK,Australia or Denmark not even India jails people for
criticism of govt this only happens in Arab monarchies and african dictatorships keep making shitup
What you posted about canada doesnot make my point invalid so cut the democracy crap

Hey remember when Zardari was called chor and what not boy you baboons are hypocrites of nth order

Panama is different from Cyber crime laws. Nawaz Sharif is called corrupt everyday, yet Cyber crime laws is placed for different reasons; for starter, prevent racial wars and abolish disinformation. Not only that, i think it has to do with the establishment since they need treason laws to redefine the laws to make the cases for search warrant on suspicious grounds given certain bloggers caught promoting disinformation against the establishment recently.

Do you understand the definition of disinformation? Disinformation is promoted to endorse anarchy that was prevented recently.

I can call Imran Khan idiot, and for that, i am not gonna get arrested. If i am promoting lies about Army or the government for making it seem like racial profiling to heighten the tension and funnel the tension to propagate the civil war, then that is treason or better yet, beyond that falls for non-bailable offense.

You are kid. You are not ready to understand the mature world yet.

Haha donald trump is Amriki Baboon Butt
Same shit he tpp uses his politcal power to increase his business power,his daughter is also using papa,s position to increase wealth,he value personal relations with enemy nation,s leader more than national interests just like modi and nawaz ,he too has issues with criticism by certain channels kind of nawaz tolla has with ARY oh and he too called protestors people who dont believe in democracy

It is hard to have debate with someone who talks like kid using name calling and poor language. No offense.

Donald Trump already had business empire before he was elected to become PM of America. You can argue that he is going to use his position to expand his business empire, but that is not illegal unfortunately. Unethical yes, but illegal, no.

As for the money, you are too young to understand the method of money laundering that doesn't leave trail behind to be traced back. Most rich people from Europe and North America use the similar system or method, yet they are not arrested for tax evasion nor storing black money for something authority don't have access to.

That's why you need treaty especially with Switzerland where the nation can have access to the accounts. I have feeling that the day is not that far.

 

[Zibago]

Panama is different from Cyber crime laws. Nawaz Sharif is called corrupt everyday, yet Cyber crime laws is placed for different reasons; for starter, prevent racial wars and abolish disinformation. Not only that, i think it has to do with the establishment since they need treason laws to redefine the laws to make the cases for search warrant on suspicious grounds given certain bloggers caught promoting disinformation against the establishment recently.

Do you understand the definition of disinformation? Disinformation is promoted to endorse anarchy that was prevented recently.

I can call Imran Khan idiot, and for that, i am not gonna get arrested. If i am promoting lies about Army or the government for making it seem like racial profiling to heighten the tension and funnel the tension to propagate the civil war, then that is treason or better yet, beyond that falls for non-bailable offense.

You are kid. You are not ready to understand the mature world yet.

Nope cyber crime law is now being used by govt to silence critivism of itself and racial wars puhleaze i have seen multiple baboon run pages calling pathans xyz they are stoll online
Disinformation oh boy Trumpian thinking you want govt to arrest someone if great baboon is insulted
Tell me one democracy just one where criticism of govt is criminalized?
Not even India does it their media is given free hand they .ake up really weird shit yet theur govt tolerates it because freedom of speech by the public is a hallmark of great democracies you dont make criticism of govt illegal and continue to call yourself a valid democracy
If you want to arrest people for criticism of army start by ypur babooni ministers
You are a tout you will root for everything the govt forces without loking at its implications for the wider public hell you live in Canada you dont care because you womt be affected by it

 

[Finer]

Nope cyber crime law is now being used by govt to silence critivism of itself and racial wars puhleaze i have seen multiple baboon run pages calling pathans xyz they are stoll online
Disinformation oh boy Trumpian thinking you want govt to arrest someone if great baboon is insulted
Tell me one democracy just one where criticism of govt is criminalized?
Not even India does it their media is given free hand they .ake up really weird shit yet theur govt tolerates it because freedom of speech by the public is a hallmark of great democracies you dont make criticism of govt illegal and continue to call yourself a valid democracy
If you want to arrest people for criticism of army start by ypur babooni ministers
You are a tout you will root for everything the govt forces without loking at its implications for the wider public hell you live in Canada you dont care because you womt be affected by it

Silence criticism? You sure are very silent on the matter of PMLN.

There was attempted racial war prevented recently. Then there was bloggers abducted made it seem like the establishment was behind it. It is system to counter disinformation. In order word, control the narrative or censor. Either way, it is effective tool to counter the disinformation in form of racial profiling, racial wars,..etc.

People get arrested in India all the times. Om Puri's life was driven to hell after his comment on the Army. He was in deep trouble. Now we know he has passed on. May God rests him in peace.

More than that, people get arrested in USA and transferred to place where they are deprived of rights to lawyers. Because cyber crimes is now legalized. Not only that, even privacy is no longer respected under the laws of cyber crimes which means the authority are now entitled to our privacy through monitoring our cell phones, laptops, televisions, cars [with infotainment],...etc.

The fact is that you are using fancy words for Nawaz Sharif suggests your rights to freedom of speech and expression is alive and kicking whereas that laws is aimed at Imran Khan and certain questionable figures for allegedly trying to incite civil wars and promote disinformation.

 

[Zibago]

Silence criticism? You sure are very silent on the matter of PMLN.

There was attempted racial war prevented recently. Then there was bloggers abducted made it seem like the establishment was behind it. It is system to counter disfinromation.

People get arrested in India all the times. Om Puri's life was driven to hell after his comment on the Army. He was in deep trouble. Now we know he is passed on.

More than that, people get arrested in USA and transferred to place where they are deprived of rights to lawyers. Because cyber crimes is now legalized. Not only that, even privacy is no respected under the laws of cyber crimes which means the authority are now entitled to our privacy through monitoring our cell phones, laptops, televisions, cars [with infotainment],...etc.

The fact is that you are using fancy words for Nawaz Sharif suggests your rights to freedom of speech and expression is alive and kicking whereas that laws is aimed at Imran Khan and certain questionable figures for allegedly trying to incite civil wars and promote disinformation.

Laws are in place implentation starts slowly it took years for proper implementation and repeal of hudood law

Lol even some govt and opposition officials indirectly blamed army for arrest of bloggers nothing was dome against them we had a pro govt tv channel wrongly accuse former isi chief of funding and supporting xyz and being rwsponsible for attack on its employees
Racial wars you say?
oh brother these words dont sound nice from jag punjabi jag crowd
Hacky argument you dont get arrested in US or India for criticising govt OM puri,s death was slightly different it has no sanctioning from any law it was illegal and in US you cant be arrested for callinga Russia loving clown but in Pakistan we are moving in a direction where it will be criminalized

 

[Finer]

Laws are in place implentation starts slowly it took years for proper implementation and repeal of hudood law

Lol even some govt and opposition officials indirectly blamed army for arrest of bloggers nothing was dome against them we had a pro govt tv channel wrongly accuse former isi chief of funding and supporting xyz and being rwsponsible for attack on its employees
Racial wars you say?

The whole world have cyber crime laws in place to prevent disinformation which you don't seem to understand despite the example you presented fails to elude you, but you want Pakistan to be exception specifically for Imran Khan in the light of alleged racial profiling and racial war?

 

[Zibago]

The whole world have cyber crime laws in place to prevent disinformation which you don't seem to understand despite the example you presented fails to elude you, but you want Pakistan to be exception specifically for Imran Khan in the light of alleged racial profiling and racial war?

Name one great democracy where criticism of govt is illegal?
Turkey doesnot count it has dictatorial laws now

 

[Finer]

Name one great democracy where criticism of govt is illegal?
Turkey doesnot count it has dictatorial laws now

The fact is that you are using fancy words for Nawaz Sharif suggests your rights to freedom of speech and expression is alive and kicking whereas that laws is aimed at Imran Khan and certain questionable figures for allegedly trying to incite civil wars and promote disinformation.

You are confused, kid. Your freedom of speech and expression is not in danger despite repeatedly said earlier still continue to fall on deaf ears. The cyber crime laws is placed to prevent disinformation like all over the worlds.

 

[Zibago]

The fact is that you are using fancy words for Nawaz Sharif suggests your rights to freedom of speech and expression is alive and kicking whereas that laws is aimed at Imran Khan and certain questionable figures for allegedly trying to incite civil wars and promote disinformation.

You are confused, kid. Your freedom of speech and expression is not in danger despite repeatedly said earlier still continue to fall on deaf ears. The cyber crime laws is placed to prevent disinformation like all over the worlds.

They have made a law now they have hinted implementation the beef ban in India took years before it started to be properly imple.ented their ministers said time and time again they would arrest those criticizing govt online

 

[Verve]

"NAB ke parr kaat dengay" - minister
"NAB ke nakhun kaat dengay" - minister

These kind of threats are normal in a genuine Democracy ... Yeah right!

PM announces projects left right and centre everywhere he goes when those projects are not even in the annual budget approved by Parliament ... that's democracy - yeah right!

Votes are purchased for one meal ... that's democracy - yeah right!

Votes are casted, by hook or crook - that's all that matters to be democracy - Hell Yeah!!

 

[mingle]

Election is the criteria of public votes. After the death of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), oral election was started which mass majority voted for Abu Bakr (R.A). Similarity, the written vote is cast during the election to determine the choice of majority. Democracy means majority rules whether it is oral or ballot [cast votes].

What is your definition of proper democracy? We are all ears.



Despite with the nagging, you still failed to understand the crucial point.

Do you understand what is Panama case? It is revelation, not evidence. There is no trace that can ties to the Panama case. That is why Panama case is at best bragging rights and even today, case is still on-going.

Its ur opinion nothing more its not revelation its pile of evidence thats why nobody challenge it world wide and accept it beacuse its theior paper work same case is with sharif family they accept it Al hamdollillah .

 

[ghazi52]